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Rahn del Sol - Student  |
I'm just wondering what people tend to think of full-force fighting in JKII?
Most of the people I've encountered here at JA have been very averse to it. "It's all cheap", they may say, or it "requires no skill". No-force saber duels, I hear, are where all the REAL skill is found. I'll be honest, when I join the JA servers, it's fun for a while...but here's only so many no-force duels a guy can take before he starts to fall asleep! I've had a couple of "success stories"...a player here and there who I've turned to the dark side of using the force...ANY force...and they've found it to be fun. Turned out they just didn't really know how/when to use their powers, and were used to getting slapped around on public servers. So, they went strictly no-force, where their wild saber swinging might occasionally net them a kill. But after showing them how, when, and why to use the force, and getting them to actually try being more precise with their swings, they've actually improved and liked what they found they could do. So my question is, what's everyone else's reason? I have so much difficulty getting people to fight me with force powers, why is everyone so resistant? It's not just JA servers, I even joined a duel server where one guy told me that I was "alternatively oriented in my sexual preferences" for liking force duels, because only no-skill "alternatively oriented people" played with force powers  _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 This post was edited by Rahn del Sol on Dec 20 2002 10:37pm. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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If you guys duel, I wanna be there to see it _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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Sorry, didn't pay attention to you. I beg to differ, like I said, duel me and ill be whichever side you like. The force is balanced if you know enough about it.
"The darkness is spreading." _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Haemon - Ex-Student 
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I didn't "menchen" lightsabers either. I was talking about force combat not being balanced. Go to the server I posted one night and you will rarely see a lightSIDER(not saber) and, if you do, he/she will probably not being doing to well.
FYI the academy servers aren't as good as a real FF server because the force regenerates to quickly. |
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Mikel Rider - Student
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Haemon, maybe you should think about what I said before you speak. I was talking about the sides of the force being ballenced, I don't think I even menchened lightsaber combat. As for how people playing balanced, i really can't help you there.
"The darkness is spreading." _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Haemon - Ex-Student
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Darth Rider this game is far from balanced. Don't belive me, see for yourself.
Sanguis Frater FF/SO 66.150.28.237:28070 Just wait around for awhile and you will barely see any lightsiders. |
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Mikel Rider - Student
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Didn't think I would see this post again. I should just go and cut and paste my old posts...
Like I have said, both sides are really equal if you understatd them, don't beleive me? Duel me when I am on and I will use whichever side you think is weak. If you play one side you can't say the other is weak untill you can say you have mastered both sides, and by reading your posts you obviesly have not, no offense of course. Everyone has to start somewhere. "The darkness is spreading." _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Iori Yagami - Student 
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FF is not a joke,
so yes, you use sabre throw, grip drain whatever, the battles last longer, to some it may seem random especially if they get beat. fighting with force shows you have mastered the whole range of skill sets in the game. fighting with sabre only shows swords skills, and yes, for a beginner there is a greater chance of winning. every noob gets completely caned in a FF duel with an expert, but a noob can beat an expert in a nf sabre fight, since there's less range between the best and the worst. don't be a noob, be a master. learn to use and win in every situation. to those who are good at nf duels, but not at ff duel, i suggest you learn to fight ff. just so that you win in these fights too. some people are better at ff duels, but worse at nf. these guys should learn to improve there weaknesses. instead of calling and insulting the other by calling their expertise jokes. woohoo, go out there and PLAY TO WIN!  _______________ May the ping be with you |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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I'll go along with what H'aemon is saying here. He used darkside against me and proved to be quite an annoying opponent.
I beat him a couple of times, but it wasn't easy at all Mostly it was him beating me.
For the most part, he did what he said...ran away, drained, used throw + pull, and pull + kick. Since I couldn't kill him in the first few seconds of the match, I eventually ran out of force power. A quick drain every 2 seconds or so kept me out of force power, and kept him in health. Since I'm not too good on offense, I couldn't kill him 
Maybe someone who's better than me could, but I just didn't have the skill needed to beat him. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Haemon - Ex-Student
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Jormungand you obviuosly don't paly FF that much. The darkside far out weighs the lightside. Yes absorb works for the first 2 minutes then you are drained and kicked for the rest of the match. Also while you have absorb on people will simply pull/throw at you. A good saberist but poor force dueler will lose against somebody who is a good FF dueler but poor saberist simply because they usually turn out to be throw/pull/kick/drain(thats a nice order too). If you have two lightsiders dueling then yes it will be a test of saber skill but the really experienced players will use darkside and grip/kick and drain after absorb turns off.
Try "Sanguis Frater SO/FF"(I believe thats it). Its a FF duel server where some very good FF duelists go. I don't remember the ip but its on the multiplayer list in the game. |
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Carve - Student 
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FF duels in no way require more or less skill than the other. As another before me cited, it simply requires a different skill, though to add to that, I believe it requires a different combination of skills. If you're a master of Force, but a fantastic saberist is goign against you... well, who knows. If he's a fantastic saberist and knows basic force stuff.. you're toast.
If you're darkside, grip and drain and lightning all you want, absorb counters all that, and when they're lightning/draining, they're vulnerable to push
If you happen to be going against someone with absorb, you just take the battle to 'em and down them with a saber. It's that simple. Two masters of FF dueling as well as Sabering in a match will not be unlike a standard NF duel, with the exception of neutral force powers. The lightside has a distinct advantage, however, in that it can both counter force (absorb, where darkside uses drain) as well as heal yourself. A darksider who counters by destroying your mana will have no more mana to heal themselves, and if you are under the effect of absorb, they CANNOT heal themselves. If anything, the LIGHT side is cheap. I don't play FF because my NF skills are weak. I win far more than I lose, but when I lose, it's... spectacular. Once I have mastered the saber, then I will master the Force. Talk to me in a month _______________ © |
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Chainer - Ex-Student 
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Full force is a joke people just run away and saber throw u |
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Haemon - Ex-Student 
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Next time I see you on I'll give you a FF fight against darkside and see how you like it. Drain will probably be whored more than prostitue by a fraternity. Hope you're looking forward to it. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student
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I ran into someone the other night who reinforced one reason that people don't fight with force.
His reason for only doing no-force saber duels was "at least I know that by swinging my saber around I might win a few duels". So winning duels and increasing your fragcount is the important thing, or so it would seem. Last I checked, massadoobie and crew formed the Jedi Academy, not the No-Force-Saber-Only Academy. Get out there and learn to use the force, people! After all, what's a Jedi without the Force? Just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 This comment was edited by Rahn del Sol on Jan 11 2003 05:10pm. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student
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Yeah, I called it mana.
That's mainly because in every other game I've played that uses any power of some kind, it's called mana. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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ioshee - Student 
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You have a good point p][ke but you should try dueling Rahn sometime. He uses his saber a lot because he is a lightside Jedi. I like saber fighting the best but knowing how to use lightside helps you negate the dark powers of your opponent and bring it back to basically a saber duel. Just a note: I am horrible at FF duels. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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p][ke - Ex-Student ![p][ke](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=66&f_image=pike.jpg&f_odd=1)
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I don't like FF because I've never liked playing as the magic user in games. I'm always the quick fast fighter I find in FF duels that the saber becomes an afterthought... people mostly concentrate on their force flinging and only whack a bit when they get close. Since my interest is in saber duelling, I prefer NF. |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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Ha, mana. Someone likes magic. Like I said, both sides are good. There are ways to get around the light counters and more dark combos than have been stated, but I only teach those in private. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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but who would use lighting or grip on somebody with absorb?  you can hear it for miles... or use drain to "test" it.
btw, what i forgot, drain is useless for offence since v1.4 it takes less that you use! after a full drain, you are lower on energy than your enemy! but i found out that it can be very annoying if you continue fireing small bursts of drain to keep your enemy low... it's pretty lame though _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I found out the hard way not to jump in ctf_bespin thinking absorb will protect you. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student
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Yes, if you have absorb on, and someone hits you with lightning, your force mana level will increase. If someone uses Grip, and you flip on Absorb, it'll charge your mana back to full almost instantly.
Your mana will also increase a little if you have absorb on, and they use push or pull. Your mana will NOT increase if they use drain, but you will prevent them from gaining health. Absorb nullifies or lessens the effect of all force powers. If someone uses push/pull, you will still stop in your tracks if running, but you won't move toward them, fall down, or get shoved off a ledge. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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Absorb puts both players on level ground. Switch on the saber and hope you're better than them. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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I tend to stick to Light Side Absorb, so as to level the playing field.
I am not sure we gain strength from Absorb though. Do we? |
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Demon - Student 
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The reason people think that full force duels are lame, because mostly people use skills like grip or drain which is anoying, because all the people on normal servers use the dark side, not light, so they can't defend themseles. Then they start to think that saber skills are the most important in jk2. That's why they hate full force duels. (Ihope someone understans anything of this ) _______________ Quote: Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force will free me. -The Code of The Sith
This comment was edited by Demon on Dec 29 2002 04:37am. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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As a newer player, I would definately say the Light side is easier to use. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Darth Revan - Ex-Student 
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I think ff duals require skill. You have to have knowledge of the force and know how to use it as part of your combos (at least I like to follow up my saber attacks with some sort of power) and ways to counter it. _______________ formally known as jedi master, vanished and returned as the new sith lord |
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