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Rendar - Student  |
Anyone have any tips for a staff user vs a red single user that only does red triple combo and then jumps away. I can find anything that works. The only attacks i cant do to them end up dealing 40 or more damage to me as well. So basicly if dont attack i get hurt, and if i do attack i get hurt. I cant find a way to beat crouching red triple followed by an immediate back flip. |
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Lucky - Ex-Student 
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Personally, I think that going into Fast combat mode, so you have a Single Hander, would be the wisest move, then executing a Saber Throw, or maybe turning your saber off, and using Force Lightning, or Grip. I hope that helps, but I'm not very good at dueling...  _______________ Hmm... he doesn't seem so tough without his head... |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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Thats a tough one, no doubt there, I would say check with yy, she is great with the staff, but if you weight long enough the other player will try something different, and I am goin to have to disagree with capital T, I hit inbetween swings, it is dangerous and tough, ill give him that, but sometimes a hit and run glancing blow is your only choice. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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Hehe, i hope you know who the gold ranger is  I finally do, foudn out a bit ago. good post T-money, you know where its at. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Carve - Student 
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Using the kick in a duel is most unwise. Not only does it open you up, leaving you begging to be massacred, but it only does two damage. The knockdown is far from 100% and even if you do score a knockdown, the likelihood of you hitting anybody with skill is quite low. Now, I heard somebody mention Gold Ranger's staff-using ability. Yes, he is absurdly good - However, as Dante mentioned, it is a matter of the person's own skill here as well. I played against him when he was using red stance, and ... well, let's just say it wasn't pretty. What this seems to have become is more a technical discussion than one of personal skill. The primary problem with the staff is, as I'm sure most who use it know, the range. For this reason, as a red user myself, I feel it is most unwise to attempt strikes in between the swings of a combo. Now, the thing about backflips is that there is a moment as the backflip begins that you are totally vulnerable to attack. So there's an opening, albeit a small one. Trying to use a counter against red with the staff is, if my experience has shown me anything, a step short of suicidal. Once again, this is nothing more than conjecture on my part, but nothing can sit within the range of a proper red-swing and come out unscathed with any amount of consistency. From what I can ordain, the main opening is in the backflip. If any staff users will prove me wrong, please, do so - the last thing I want is to be dueling based on false information. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Dec 07 2003 09:04pm. |
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MOTREC - Student 
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 with using the staff you are in sort of the same boat as we that use duel sab's.Staff has one aspect to it that duels does not.the kick atleast i have yet to locate the kick button.lol.but if you get in between swings hit em,kick em,then hit em again.just a thought. |
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Oni - Ex-Student |
my first comment will be to play on Chop Shop or Kaiasowapit's server so saber damage is set to 5...then as a staffer you stand a chance BUT seriously, I use staff almost exclusively, and though I am by no means a master, I have noticed that many red stancers stick mostly to horizontal swings due to most staff users' reliance on the twirling movements and short range of their vertical attacks. I've been attempting to work out the timing as a staffer to dance in and out of the red stancer's swings...and I'm beginning to have some decent success. The problem is that you have to be insanely precise or you are dead. Allow the first swing to go by, then slide in to the edge of your damage range, and hit them, then slide out for the return stroke to go past you, and then in again. Of course you can always hope they kata and then just wait for the last swing and it's massive hole, then one good vertical strike and they're down a good chunk of health. Also, having recently learned about the around the back linkage (back + strafe right + attack, then letting go of back while holding both strafe and attack) I'm trying to work that into the mix. I'm hoping to be able to slide in, strike, do the link and strike on the other side. |
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DeathBringer - Ex-Student 
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its an unbalance in the force! _______________ -.^ ..!. n00bs |
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O2B-1Dai - Ex-Student 
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nope  _______________ A true friend isn't the one bailing you out of jail, he's the one sitting next to you saying, "Man, that was cool!" 
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SedNox - Student 
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RED SINGLE PWNS ALL!!!! satisfied?? _______________ -Evil Clown- "We interrupt this program to increase dramatic tension." Echuu's 1200th comment, D@RtH N00B's 10850th comment, Redeye's 100th and 150th comment. |
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Rendar - Student 
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im no longer worried about red stance, yes it does more damage than god knows what.... but i found out a little technique that does 65 dmg for each of their swings and lets you roll out with no dmg.. so im happy now. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Phew its getting awefully hot in here.... *starts giving away icecream* _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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Never did i say win everytime, i said most of the time. My opinions aren't based on what i believe, they are based on facts i see. So my opinion is based on simple facts. Besides, i already stated when the skill level was equal and they knew how to play, a single would win for more adaptability.P.S. Thats what i'm hoping for someday, to get shut down horribly so im wrong and can work hard again. So hopefully one day, shut down i will be. It is the only reason i duel in the game. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" This comment was edited by Dante Valmont on Nov 29 2003 10:11pm. |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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U know everyones stated things on this forum is OPINION its never FACT just cause u say Single is more "adaptable" then Staff/Dual doesnt realy meen its is and it'll win EVERYTIME for all we know Dual/Staff is more adaptable then Single whos knows 4 sure..1 thing is even tho I can prove it or not it DOESNT meen it will be correct this is all OPINION never FACT remember that so most of the things we are typing down can be COMPLETLY incorrect.. In short ne 1 can win reguardless of what style they use never think 1 style is better than the other cause if u do 1 day ur gonna get shut down and caught with ur tail between ur legs.. ne wayz thats my $0.02 _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . This comment was edited by YinYang on Nov 29 2003 03:46pm. |
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Padawan On A Stick - Student 
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well if you think about it... How did Obi Won Kenobi defeat Darth Maul even with Qui Gon Jin deceased? Obi Won is actually Obi-Won and Qui Gon is actually Qui-gon, just an fyi _______________ When you are told something for years, you learn to accept it. But, after the truth is revealed, you feel conufusion, isolation, and depression. Then you ask, where do I belong? I'm searching for that answer. |
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Dante Valmont - Retired
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If two people are equally skilled at single and staff, know the ins and outs, don't kata and do none flashy moves. The single will prevail. One word. Adaptability. Your more adaptable in a single than you are in a staff. Staff may be good, even if your a defensive whore and you think no one can beat you. If you are equally skilled, which is rare to find, the single will overcome the staff. The single still dominates the game even though they killed a lot of it in this game. The only way the staff or dual could become dominant is if t hey ruin single to the point where you can't do much damage. At that point, i'll complain and then quit. However, as it stnads now, the dominant force in jk3 is the single user. I have plenty of proof to back up my claims as well and will be happy to prove my point whenever _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Nickface - Ex-Student 
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It's all good, Janus, we already know you're a popmus ass j/k |
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3th - Retired 
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Janus, you pompus ass!!! my red saber and i will take you DOWN!!! (that's obvious hyperbole for those who don't know me) it's been too long! i need to get my azz kicked some more man! who was it that was a good staff user... Golden Ranger or something like that i think, i had to resort to timing katas to even do any damage to the guy. he was owz0ring me with staff against my single. i couldn't get anything going against him, with any stance. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Janus - Retired 
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Check a few comments below, made an edit I wanted everyone to see _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Janus - Retired 
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Kenyon, I completely see where your coming from. And you can just tell by the amount of katas that come through their fighting. Hopefully though through the academy they see that there's more to it, then left+right clicking at the same time . _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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As I said, unless it's a very good staff user. What happens is that a lot of newbies often think "hey, that's an easy weapon, and fast, let's try it" and they spam the staff to death. |
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Janus - Retired
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One thing I wanted to conclude with that I forgot is that all this can be done without laming. I'm a firm believer in not laming, and I try (it happens sometimes with the way the keys are pushed and I apologize profusely when it does) not to push the controls to throw the animations into swing. But the kata of swinging the saber around quickly, or the figure 8 animation, or the hated butterfly, those 3 aren't even a part of how I fight. When I'm talking of taking on other saber users Rendar, I mean it with just strict, straight up saber fighting, none of the pre-animated garbage. Alright, cool, wanted to clear that up before the responses come in. _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Janus - Retired
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Hate to be the one to go against the grain, but a good staff user will destroy any saber style if used correctly. With having felt intimidated in dealing with single saber users in the past, there are a few things I took upon myself to fix that. After fighting with staff for so long (since the beginning actually), and getting tips from noob through kebeker and the experiences I've gotten fighting everyone (at every end of the spectrum fighting wise), I can say my first few comments above with 150% confidence. Rendar, hunt me down bro on the JA home tonight, and I'll teach you how the strong stance is weak and able to be beaten. *The last comment, wanted to add this because it sounds like I'm a pompous @$$, I mean it in the "Any stance can beat any stance with time and practice" sort of way, not the "We can kick everyone's butt sort of way" that I made it sound like. I'm a lover not a hater * _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... This comment was edited by Janus on Nov 26 2003 11:09pm. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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I'm with Dante. A good red user will always beat a staff user... unless it's a very good staff user. YinYang rules! *from the distance, a voice can be heard* "Lies!" |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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u gotta use saber-clash-countering.... he wont be able to get away fast enough _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Kick spamming always saves the day, combined with a nice groundkill j/k |
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