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Rendar - Student  |
Anyone have any tips for a staff user vs a red single user that only does red triple combo and then jumps away. I can find anything that works. The only attacks i cant do to them end up dealing 40 or more damage to me as well. So basicly if dont attack i get hurt, and if i do attack i get hurt. I cant find a way to beat crouching red triple followed by an immediate back flip. |
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DeathBringer - Ex-Student 
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its an unbalance in the force! _______________ -.^ ..!. n00bs |
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O2B-1Dai - Ex-Student 
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nope  _______________ A true friend isn't the one bailing you out of jail, he's the one sitting next to you saying, "Man, that was cool!" 
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SedNox - Student 
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RED SINGLE PWNS ALL!!!! satisfied??  _______________ -Evil Clown- "We interrupt this program to increase dramatic tension." Echuu's 1200th comment, D@RtH N00B's 10850th comment, Redeye's 100th and 150th comment. |
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Rendar - Student 
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im no longer worried about red stance, yes it does more damage than god knows what.... but i found out a little technique that does 65 dmg for each of their swings and lets you roll out with no dmg.. so im happy now. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Phew its getting awefully hot in here.... *starts giving away icecream* _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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Never did i say win everytime, i said most of the time. My opinions aren't based on what i believe, they are based on facts i see. So my opinion is based on simple facts. Besides, i already stated when the skill level was equal and they knew how to play, a single would win for more adaptability.P.S. Thats what i'm hoping for someday, to get shut down horribly so im wrong and can work hard again. So hopefully one day, shut down i will be. It is the only reason i duel in the game. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" This comment was edited by Dante Valmont on Nov 29 2003 10:11pm. |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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U know everyones stated things on this forum is OPINION its never FACT just cause u say Single is more "adaptable" then Staff/Dual doesnt realy meen its is and it'll win EVERYTIME for all we know Dual/Staff is more adaptable then Single whos knows 4 sure..1 thing is even tho I can prove it or not it DOESNT meen it will be correct this is all OPINION never FACT remember that so most of the things we are typing down can be COMPLETLY incorrect.. In short ne 1 can win reguardless of what style they use never think 1 style is better than the other cause if u do 1 day ur gonna get shut down and caught with ur tail between ur legs.. ne wayz thats my $0.02 _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . This comment was edited by YinYang on Nov 29 2003 03:46pm. |
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Padawan On A Stick - Student 
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well if you think about it... How did Obi Won Kenobi defeat Darth Maul even with Qui Gon Jin deceased? Obi Won is actually Obi-Won and Qui Gon is actually Qui-gon, just an fyi _______________ When you are told something for years, you learn to accept it. But, after the truth is revealed, you feel conufusion, isolation, and depression. Then you ask, where do I belong? I'm searching for that answer. |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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If two people are equally skilled at single and staff, know the ins and outs, don't kata and do none flashy moves. The single will prevail. One word. Adaptability. Your more adaptable in a single than you are in a staff. Staff may be good, even if your a defensive whore and you think no one can beat you. If you are equally skilled, which is rare to find, the single will overcome the staff. The single still dominates the game even though they killed a lot of it in this game. The only way the staff or dual could become dominant is if t hey ruin single to the point where you can't do much damage. At that point, i'll complain and then quit. However, as it stnads now, the dominant force in jk3 is the single user. I have plenty of proof to back up my claims as well and will be happy to prove my point whenever  _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Nickface - Ex-Student 
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It's all good, Janus, we already know you're a popmus ass j/k |
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3th - Retired 
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Janus, you pompus ass!!! my red saber and i will take you DOWN!!! (that's obvious hyperbole for those who don't know me) it's been too long! i need to get my azz kicked some more man! who was it that was a good staff user... Golden Ranger or something like that i think, i had to resort to timing katas to even do any damage to the guy. he was owz0ring me with staff against my single. i couldn't get anything going against him, with any stance.  _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Janus - Retired 
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Check a few comments below, made an edit I wanted everyone to see _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Janus - Retired 
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Kenyon, I completely see where your coming from. And you can just tell by the amount of katas that come through their fighting. Hopefully though through the academy they see that there's more to it, then left+right clicking at the same time . _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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As I said, unless it's a very good staff user. What happens is that a lot of newbies often think "hey, that's an easy weapon, and fast, let's try it" and they spam the staff to death. |
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Janus - Retired
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One thing I wanted to conclude with that I forgot is that all this can be done without laming. I'm a firm believer in not laming, and I try (it happens sometimes with the way the keys are pushed and I apologize profusely when it does) not to push the controls to throw the animations into swing. But the kata of swinging the saber around quickly, or the figure 8 animation, or the hated butterfly, those 3 aren't even a part of how I fight. When I'm talking of taking on other saber users Rendar, I mean it with just strict, straight up saber fighting, none of the pre-animated garbage. Alright, cool, wanted to clear that up before the responses come in. _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Janus - Retired
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Hate to be the one to go against the grain, but a good staff user will destroy any saber style if used correctly. With having felt intimidated in dealing with single saber users in the past, there are a few things I took upon myself to fix that. After fighting with staff for so long (since the beginning actually), and getting tips from noob through kebeker and the experiences I've gotten fighting everyone (at every end of the spectrum fighting wise), I can say my first few comments above with 150% confidence. Rendar, hunt me down bro on the JA home tonight, and I'll teach you how the strong stance is weak and able to be beaten. *The last comment, wanted to add this because it sounds like I'm a pompous @$$, I mean it in the "Any stance can beat any stance with time and practice" sort of way, not the "We can kick everyone's butt sort of way" that I made it sound like. I'm a lover not a hater * _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... This comment was edited by Janus on Nov 26 2003 11:09pm. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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I'm with Dante. A good red user will always beat a staff user... unless it's a very good staff user. YinYang rules! *from the distance, a voice can be heard* "Lies!" |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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u gotta use saber-clash-countering.... he wont be able to get away fast enough _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Kick spamming always saves the day, combined with a nice groundkill j/k |
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Dante Valmont - Retired
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ah yy made me remember one tip of advice. Remember , that appearances can be deceiving. Not everything is what it seems. Just keep that in mind and gl! _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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YinYang - Ex-Student
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Well heres a few things mostly all the time of course they will use red on a staff user cause they say its bugged or what ever which is true BUT it applys to ALL other styles ESPEACIALY red cause 1 hit can take 10o/50+ off a cheap leg sweep so ne wayz for red stance its best to do sisscors on red swings that way u get in atleast 3-4 hits b4 they can land 1 on u usually they like to jump in attack and jump out or jump in crouch attack and jump out its VERY ez to see comeing so all u need to be is aware and if u can its is VERY possiable to do a manula counter on a red swing ut u need timeing so hope some of my rembaling works for ya _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Dante Valmont - Retired
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ultimately its hopeless. A good red user will always dominate a staff unless they are a defensive whore who does nothing btu sit back and relax. Then the fight gets long, u get bored and just dont try. Butterfly spam won't work either. Its a simple fact that single still will dominate the jka world. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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Is this about our fight last night, Rendar? Seriously, I can show you a few ways to get the better of a red single user. If I see you on server, remind me to give you a few tips. |
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Rendar - Student
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the problem with a strafe attack is that as soon as you hit, there next swing is in your lap, and if you do it on there last swing, they have already backfliped out of the way. |
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O2B-1Dai - Ex-Student 
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*cough*butterflyspam*cough* hehehe What about a type of strafing attack. Sorta running and strafing in front of them? _______________ A true friend isn't the one bailing you out of jail, he's the one sitting next to you saying, "Man, that was cool!"
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