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Rendar - Student  |
Anyone have any tips for a staff user vs a red single user that only does red triple combo and then jumps away. I can find anything that works. The only attacks i cant do to them end up dealing 40 or more damage to me as well. So basicly if dont attack i get hurt, and if i do attack i get hurt. I cant find a way to beat crouching red triple followed by an immediate back flip. |
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Steinin - Student 
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And never do a Kata. They will lunge you to your death. Believe me. I learned it the hard way.  _______________ 362 Ohi on! |
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Steinin - Student 
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Try to stay out of reach all the time. Once they are done striking move in and slash sideways. And then jump out. Don't do the following very often: Jump near them a little to the side perhaps and do a side-way butterfly move their direction. It's kind of tricky to dodge. But many could consider it cheating. _______________ 362 Ohi on! |
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Janus - Retired 
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Red although powerful has that delay, and over the couple months of fighting red stance, you see that slowness come forth when you watch for it, and you can time a few swipes in there after a swing. It's tough to do though, and a good red user will usually have a backup plan to counter your plan.... _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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I usually just run up to them and slash at them a couple of times while they're open! That does the trick  _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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Janus - Retired
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Defensive Sid? You? Bah! _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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Carve - Student 
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Alright. Forgive me if I'm a bit defensive, lol Edit: I've spent a while learning staff, and beating red is easy for the most part. Use yellow to lure them in then bust them up with the staff from close range. Walking and using forward+left+right+left+right works very well. Also, running in after their combo ends, as I think I said. Yellow has greater range than the staff itself so it works well to hit between swings, though I found it is true that you can hit between red hits with staff. It just requires better timing. Also, learning to do trick butterflies works nicely, but some people aren't into the whole butterfly thing. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Jan 08 2004 12:38am. |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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Oh no you misuderstand, I did not mean to imply that Lrod was only red tripple, jsut that Lrod was the first to do the crouching red tripple, so it is his move kinda, not that it was all he did, he was the man. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
A hell of a lot more  _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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Carve - Student 
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L-Rod is a lot more than "red triple." ;-) _______________ © |
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ExiLe - Ex-Student 
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i just strafe and it works perfectly for me _______________ Padawan of Silkmonkey!! SILKY ROCKS!!!Proud Member of the {FOA} -a.k.a SeSShoMaRu |
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Mikel Rider - Student
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BTW, crouching red tripple is dangerous for red user, lines up all the targets that trigure damage. I stoped doin that combo, always gets me hurt. There is more to red than the move or Lrod. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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I think the staff user Master Windu. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Mace Windu - Retired 
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I can help you out on Staff vs Standard saber (red stance user). Would you be the staff user, or the Standard user? _______________ -Mace Windu "When a fool says something foolish, do not answer the fool." -Windu To Vladarion, though I know you are in a better place - it makes me shake to think that you are not awake - when I think about you it makes me smile - i know you have gone into the clouds to head for heavens gates - you have changed my life - in an incredible way - and so I say thank you - may you rest in peace |
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Lancer007 - Student 
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Oh Oke. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Nah that gamefaq only describes the moves that are also on the jk3 moves list in game :S not the cool combo moves _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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Zoro Kakashi - Ex-Student 
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butterfly!, did u forget that? _______________ "When did Noah built the Arc, before the rain, before the rain." |
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Dammerung - Student |
All else fails... jump over and attack from behind. That or you could get close and have him attack, then dodge and then jump ahead to catch him on the rebound. I'm an avid staff user myself, and the only two opponents i dread are dual saberists and red stance users. _______________ "It's over Anakin! This high ground adds +5 to my agility!" "HAX!" |
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Lancer007 - Student
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Here guys I think these guides i found at gamefaq.com might clear some things up a little game faqs guides This comment was edited by Lancer007 on Jan 02 2004 02:23am. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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I can remember in JK2 when I was good enough in Blue stance that I could run in and strike a Red user in between swings and get away with no problem. I'd wear them down until I figured a lunge would finish it, and that's what I'd use. I don't quite have that sort of timing anymore _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Lucky - Ex-Student 
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Personally, I think that going into Fast combat mode, so you have a Single Hander, would be the wisest move, then executing a Saber Throw, or maybe turning your saber off, and using Force Lightning, or Grip. I hope that helps, but I'm not very good at dueling...  _______________ Hmm... he doesn't seem so tough without his head... |
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Mikel Rider - Student
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Thats a tough one, no doubt there, I would say check with yy, she is great with the staff, but if you weight long enough the other player will try something different, and I am goin to have to disagree with capital T, I hit inbetween swings, it is dangerous and tough, ill give him that, but sometimes a hit and run glancing blow is your only choice. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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Hehe, i hope you know who the gold ranger is I finally do, foudn out a bit ago. good post T-money, you know where its at. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Carve - Student
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Using the kick in a duel is most unwise. Not only does it open you up, leaving you begging to be massacred, but it only does two damage. The knockdown is far from 100% and even if you do score a knockdown, the likelihood of you hitting anybody with skill is quite low. Now, I heard somebody mention Gold Ranger's staff-using ability. Yes, he is absurdly good - However, as Dante mentioned, it is a matter of the person's own skill here as well. I played against him when he was using red stance, and ... well, let's just say it wasn't pretty. What this seems to have become is more a technical discussion than one of personal skill. The primary problem with the staff is, as I'm sure most who use it know, the range. For this reason, as a red user myself, I feel it is most unwise to attempt strikes in between the swings of a combo. Now, the thing about backflips is that there is a moment as the backflip begins that you are totally vulnerable to attack. So there's an opening, albeit a small one. Trying to use a counter against red with the staff is, if my experience has shown me anything, a step short of suicidal. Once again, this is nothing more than conjecture on my part, but nothing can sit within the range of a proper red-swing and come out unscathed with any amount of consistency. From what I can ordain, the main opening is in the backflip. If any staff users will prove me wrong, please, do so - the last thing I want is to be dueling based on false information. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Dec 07 2003 09:04pm. |
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MOTREC - Student 
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with using the staff you are in sort of the same boat as we that use duel sab's.Staff has one aspect to it that duels does not.the kick atleast i have yet to locate the kick button.lol.but if you get in between swings hit em,kick em,then hit em again.just a thought. |
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Oni - Ex-Student |
my first comment will be to play on Chop Shop or Kaiasowapit's server so saber damage is set to 5...then as a staffer you stand a chance BUT seriously, I use staff almost exclusively, and though I am by no means a master, I have noticed that many red stancers stick mostly to horizontal swings due to most staff users' reliance on the twirling movements and short range of their vertical attacks. I've been attempting to work out the timing as a staffer to dance in and out of the red stancer's swings...and I'm beginning to have some decent success. The problem is that you have to be insanely precise or you are dead. Allow the first swing to go by, then slide in to the edge of your damage range, and hit them, then slide out for the return stroke to go past you, and then in again. Of course you can always hope they kata and then just wait for the last swing and it's massive hole, then one good vertical strike and they're down a good chunk of health. Also, having recently learned about the around the back linkage (back + strafe right + attack, then letting go of back while holding both strafe and attack) I'm trying to work that into the mix. I'm hoping to be able to slide in, strike, do the link and strike on the other side. |
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