| Moving Up The Ranks - Is It For You? | |
|
Ithrien Dusat - ex-Student |
Sorry, but i am full of ideas that would make the Academy much more enjoyable place to be and add to the community. This makes quite a bit of sense so bear with me here. P.S. In no way would the graduated Jedi's have any rank, or authority in the Academy. I have noticed that through my past experience here (as Rheeno Katarei and Atreyu) that many many people are set on becoming JAK's or JAT's. Well, as said by a few of the trainers, knights and council members, not many people fulfill that dream. So what i have thought of is a selection process though somewhat long, would still give more people a chance. Here it goes... Step 1: A Jedi Graduation program is started. This program allows students to sign up for a chance to become an Official Jedi by say of the Academy. To become a Jedi you would need to go through a few months of training(what kind would be up o the Academy) and then a trial in which only a select few would graduate and be officialy announced a jedi by the Academy. Step 2: Once an official Jedi, you are automaticaly put a watch list to become Jedi Academy Knights. This is when the selection process should become the hardest. From here, the Jedi's could wear a [Jedi] tag when they play and would be watched by the Council members, Knights and Trainers over a period of another few months(to make sure that the players are indeed willing to dedicate). It would make selection much easier because from the training the Jedi's had already recieved, they would be somewhat knowledgable of what to do to become a Jedi Knight. Step 3: After the next few months had passed, the Academy Staff will have chosen the nominees for the chance to become a Jedi Knight. Then, the nominees are put on a vote for the community to vote who they find most acceptable as a Jedi Knight(sorry, this is getting long so i have reduced you guys to "Staff"  The nominees if willing to accept go through a month or so of watching over and then go through the trials. When the trials are over with, maybe 1-2 new Knights will be on the staff.It wouldnt have to be exactly like this, but something like it. Maybe it would give people more of a chance if you want to call it that, and even if they dont make it to JAK, they are still official Jedi's which hell, would be more than acceptable for me=) If you have gotten this far, thank you for reading and please cast your vote Atreyu Mantarei - Jedi Academy Student _______________ Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will... Jedi Master Yoda This post was edited by Ithrien Dusat on Mar 07 2004 01:55am. |
| Poll | |||||||||||
Should this be accepted into the Academy
|
| < Recent Comments | Login and add your comment! |
| Comments |
|
Hardwired - Retired 
|
Quote: If it took 2 years to get the system we have now, it doesn't mean the system is perfect. If it has evolved for 2 years then it can evolve some more. Agreed we shouldn't bring back old methods that are known to be flawed but I bielieve this is somthing new. Well. What this rule does isn't to take the system another leap forward. It will make it take several staps back. We have had a similar system in use once, it didn't work, so we cam up with something new and improved. And for that matter. Some have said that we need more JAK's. Sure we do...but this system will not provide it for us. Insetad it will make the whole process very slow and very time consuming. And trust me...We got enought to do as it is. Myself i balance work, a girlfriend and this. Not to mention that i do have other online intrests...I also moderate a huge techie forum... And most of us have this... SO..in conclusion...it's slow, it's complex, it's time consuming and it's old... _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
|
Thomasooo - Student 
|
I agree with what Monty and Bail said. The JAK+ got their ranks because they're great guys and girls. If you focus too much on being ranked, you might as well say: TRIAL ME, I ROCK!!! WOOHOO!!! I WANNA ABUSE ADMIN POWERS!!! The ultimate Academy member respects the rules, respects the staff, and most important: respects his/her fellow students. Just pleeeease let the JAK+ have time to get to know you, and trust them to decide who will make a good JAK... _______________ In the navy and LOVING it! 
Recipient of comment no. 1000 and heart-warming words from Ataris! 
This comment was edited by Thomasooo on Mar 07 2004 02:10pm. |
|
Squibit - Student 
|
Quote: It was decided that it wasn't a good idea back then and it won't be comming back. Quote: It took the JA about 2 years to get the system we have now If it took 2 years to get the system we have now, it doesn't mean the system is perfect. If it has evolved for 2 years then it can evolve some more. Agreed we shouldn't bring back old methods that are known to be flawed but I bielieve this is somthing new. Quote: I really wanna know how come there was no problem for the JAK rank? I don’t think anyone answered this point yet, is it because people know if they ask for the rank they wont get it ? If so, do that for the others Quote: You can’t trust anyone with the kind of admin powers granted to the JAK+. Well obvioucly some people can be trusted otherwise there would be no JAK+. But anyway I don’t think the idea was that the [jedi] would have any admin powers. Quote: therefore the training proposed here would have to include a prep course for the written test, which defeats the purpose of the written test Quote: You suggest training, training suggests skill, and ….. skill isn’t the most important factor in becoming a JAK or not Ok, why can you not be trained for a written test, Why does training have to be game skill based, why does the use of the word skill refer to game ability, Surely the ability to hand trouble makers, teach others, set good examples etc. are all skills ? What difference does it make if you answer the written test after a year of training under an experienced JAK+ who has helped you to realise how to behave well in the ja community, or if you answer it having figured it all out yourself? If this is a place just to learn the game JK then …. Well it isn’t ! The whole Arts and sciences program idea clearly shows this. I would be very disappointed if I couldn’t go to my master and ask for advice in social situations and have training on how to handle complex situations! Sure you can train for the written test, Of course skill is the most important factor of being a JAK, not game skill perhaps but skills defiantly. Quote: Meh the academy doesn’t have ranks …. Merely titles Quote: Now, why do people keep saying this Jedi position is a rank? Rank comes with authority… that’s how it is rank : A relative position in a society. JAK+ are only ones to have OFFICIAL padawa An official position or grade So this Jedi position would not be a grade, if so I don’t understand what you are suggesting? A relative position or degree of value in a graded group. The academy must value the “ranked” member more than most students right ? (key word most) High or eminent station or position: persons of rank. Well every one calls the staff, and that is a station / position. A high or eminent one ? well maybe only the JACs have “Ranks” ? Quote: Make me a knight cuz I deserve it! “NO !” you just ruined you chances for at least half a year in which time MAYBE you will have matured, That’s one less person we have to keep an eye on then , WOO HOO. This figuring out if people are ready for jak is really easy some times, NEXT ! Quote: A jedi academy graduation? The whole point of the JA is to let go of school We have trainers, we have students, we have classes, we (hopefully) have fun learning. All of these are found in a good school Obvioucly all IMHO  MTFBWY ! _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
|
|
Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
|
I must admit that when I first came here, I was all for the Rank. I wanted to be a teacher, cuz I ow so ruled (in my own mind...) When I got here, I made lots and lots of friends, and met people I will never forget again. Right now, I don't really care about the rank anymore. Though I try to still act like I used to, by helping people, offering advice, giving tours around the map, answering people's questions and so on. Sure, I still want to become a JAK, but this is no longer a priority for me. If it happens, then it happens. if it doesn't, then it doesn't. I can help people just as well when I'm a JAP, although I'm usually the one that needs help Well, anyway, I joined after the previous ranks like Journeyman and such were forgotten, and I don't know the previous system. But I must agree with what Buzz said, and that is: If you include such a system, people will only want to move up the ranks, and won't care about anything else. So, I'm quite happy with the system we now have. And I'm sure that if there is a better system out there, that they will invent it one day. -- Bail -- _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
Want to know Vladarion? Read the Article about his life here. |
|
Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
|
Guys guys guys listen to me, a man from experience, being a JAK+ isnt all good u know, u get alot of shit that comes with it, sure its cool to have server admin but u have to think like a student most of the time, over look the fact they was laming and think, if i was on the server wot would i do........ being a JAK+ isnt that easy, we get moaned at alot by the upper ranks for being to easy on u guys, if a student complains about us it really is dealt with and we have to explain ourselfs. u guys think its so easy............... believe me it isnt, it doesnt make u any better at the game, people only go for the rank for popularity reasons, u want to be the focal point of the academy. It swings both ways, yes u can be awesomely popular, but that doesnt make u feel any better, personally setting yourself goals and succeeding is much better. JAK+ rank isnt a goal it is a chance.....not a chance thats all highs and no lows. there is alot of site work involved, we have to keep an eye on god knows how many people.......when in the end all we wanna do is play the game just like u guys. Dont let the ranks seperate us, we are a fantastic community and i dont wanna see this tear a line between ranked members and students............ we all make this place work _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
Best Movie Character EVER!! |
|
Flash - Student 
|
Quote: cmad do not EVER assume what i do and do not want to do. If you have an assumption, take it up with me. He didn't make an assumption, he asked a question. There is a difference. |
|
Mreoton - Student |
Quote: a Jedi Academy graduation? the whole point of the JA is to let go of school! This is a skool  AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  |
|
Halendor - Ex-Student 
|
Quote: Now, why do people keep saying this Jedi position is a rank? rank comes with authority..thats how it is. This position has no rank, therefor no authority. Stop saying i'm trying to make this a "rank". Of course this thing is a ranking system. Don't kid yourself. People who are have advanced through the programme will, intentionally or unintentionally, think themselves 'higher' than the people who didn't apply for the program or didn't advance. So in an argument they are more likely to say/think 'I'm a Jedi, you're not. I'm right', or something like that. That's authority. You can't blame the people who have advanced that they feel superior, because in a way, they are. You can only prevent this hostile atmosphere by not putting such a system in place. And besides, the whole thought behind this idea is wrong. You suggest training, training suggests skill, and as you can read in FaDed's post skill isn't the most important factor in becoming a JAK or not. In my opinion the current system works fine, people who deserve to be a JAK become one and those who don't deserve it, well, don't This comment was edited by Halendor on Mar 07 2004 11:44am. |
|
CuZzA - Student 
|
a Jedi Academy graduation? the whole point of the JA is to let go of school! _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
|
JamesF1 - Student 
|
LMAO - check the poll. (the following isn't directly relating to the main thread idea...) IMO, ranks are unimportant - if by some chance you get the opportunity to progress, that's great. But dont' strive to obtain it - its pointless. _______________ Website This comment was edited by JamesF1 on Mar 07 2004 09:12am. |
|
Ithrien Dusat - Ex-Student |
cmad do not EVER assume what i do and do not want to do. If you have an assumption, take it up with me. I in no way stated or even hinted to wanting to become a JAK. I do not even have the time to be one. i go to school, i have a job(i'm currently out "sick" , and then i have friends and a life. However, there are people who CAN contribute enough time to being one and i simply stated an idea that might help those worthy of the position get there just a LITTLE bit easier. And when they did get there, they would be thuroughly trained to do the job.Now, why do people keep saying this Jedi position is a rank? rank comes with authority..thats how it is. This position has no rank, therefor no authority. Stop saying i'm trying to make this a "rank". Now i understand that this idea would not work, so fine. It was idea..a suggestion..one that could be shot down and was. Oh well, time to move on. Atreyu _______________ Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will... Jedi Master Yoda |
|
Ash - Eats Babies 
|
it took the JA about 2 years to get the system we have now. it took months of refining to pin point it to the system that is currently in use. look through some of the history of the JA and you will see how much our current system has come. i think our holocron will offer up some history. if not, then just check out some reallllly old news post. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
|
_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
|
Erm, the question I really wanna ask is: did you join the JA to get a higher "rank"? If yeah, then you're in the wrong place buddy Okay we DO lack JAKs+ but making a Jedi rank would be time-consuming thus there would be no change. If one had achieved to get a Jedi rank then he/she'd be watched more closely by the JAKs+. Yeah but the time it would take to become a Jedi, would be the exact amount of time spent, that would be spent if someone was good (note that I didn't say skillfull) enough to become JAK. So there actually would be no change. Quote: So why did the rank canceled.....how do you know pple are too much concern about their rank? Are you kidding me? I don't know if you've seen the kinda posts I'm about to talk about, cuz you're a bit new (those posts are I think older). Posts like "make me knight cuz I deserve it" (and trust me they're more than 1) are what shows us how bad the JASs want to become JAKs. And this post (this specific with the Jedi rank suggestion) is proof that the guy wants to become a JAK more quickly than it would take him normally; but okay it's not solely about him. Why are you guys so obsessed with becoming a JAK? What's SOOOO wrong with being a JAS? Maybe you have underestimated the JAS-power The community mainly consists of JASs (about 95%). If it weren't for JASs, this community wouldn't even exist.- cmad  EDIT: omg look at the poll _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. This comment was edited by _cmad_ on Mar 07 2004 06:46am. |
|
AngelD'Kana - Ex-Student 
|
Meh the academy doesnt have ranks....merely titles and there is a reason it is near impossible to attain, you cant trust anyone with the kind of admin powers granted to JAK+. attaining these Titles has almost nutthing to do with skill. Many overlook the fact that before the trials comes the written test. The written test will not be any easier just cuz u are skilled at the game therefore the training proposed here would have to include a prep course bassically for the written test, which defeats the purpose of the written test because your supposed to figure the answer out on your own, the teachings of a master and the classes at the ja are merely guidance on the path to thoes answers....so in conclusion this idea could use some revamping but its great to see someone enthusiastic and unafraid to speak their mind trying to get some policies changed _______________ SMILY RULES ALL AND SHE CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT Quote: Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live. - Mark Twain <Jedi_Prodigy> BOOOO angel! SEE SMILY? JP EVEN THINKS IM RIGHT I WIN 12:15:30(AM)] * DJ_Sith gives Jacen_Solo a golden shower }{ [01:33:00(AM)] * DJ_Sith give `orion a wonderful golden shower! }{ [01:35:41(AM)] * DJ_Sith gives doobie|broke a wonderful golden shower!
|
|
monkai - Student |
yeppers. |
|
Ancient - Ex-Student 
|
Quote: those were the ranks for students, you would attend classes, and get points, to be able to take a trial to increase your rank. thats about it So why did the rank canceled.....how do you know pple are too much concern about their rank? _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
|
Ancient - Ex-Student 
|
Maybe you can make the students who got the jedi rank have to have more responsibility and have to contribute to the academy or else bring their rank down and i really wanna know how come there was no problem for the JAK rank? _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! This comment was edited by Ancient on Mar 07 2004 03:06am. |
|
Orion - Retired 
|
those were the ranks for students, you would attend classes, and get points, to be able to take a trial to increase your rank. thats about it _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
|
Ancient - Ex-Student
|
Anyone tell me what is the Initiate journeymen rank? Maybe is because the system is not that good back than..... SOmeone plz tell me how that rank works _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
|
Buzz - Student 
|
This is pretty much the exact thing as the Initiate Learner Journeyman ranks we had quite a while again. It makes people too focused on just getting the rank, and moving up in status rather than just their own personal drive to become better at the game. It was decided that it wasn't a good idea back then and it won't be coming back. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
|
Ancient - Ex-Student
|
Quote: aye, stuff like this looks good on paper, but it's really hard to get it to work properly... "less is more" is a good motto when sorting out these things Actually, he only said add one more rank....the jedi rank....i think this is possible since there is alot of good and skillful oldbie here and still with a rank of jas....to me this is really a discouragement.......since you dont have anything to prove your skill and what you are up to _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
|
Ancient - Ex-Student
|
This is a very good idea!!! 100% support. My few cents to this is...same as ATREYU...this is a place for us to have fun and one way to get pple become execited in this game is giving them some accomplishment...giving them a proof of their skill or personility no doubt is a great way to encourge others to stay with the academy. (rather than retiring...leaving) Just like real life....if you gratuate from high school you will get a dipolma and if you gratuate from college, you will get a degree. These dipolma and degree can give pple more confident and encourage others to go on to learn. Therefore, i think DJ can think about this system of ranking, i know...as zoro said this may be alot of works but i think once this program is up, there will be more pple qulifly (like normal jedi rank or jedi gardian rank) to help DJ and other trainers to do the trail for jedi rank, right? So...why not? I really want the jedi academy try this system for a month and see if this work or not , DJ can you just try....plz _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
|
Silencio - Student 
|
aye, stuff like this looks good on paper, but it's really hard to get it to work properly... "less is more" is a good motto when sorting out these things _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
|
Acey Spadey - Student 
|
there used to be ranks about january 2003. but they were removed when they proved to be too hasslesome and students were demanding _______________ .Lag Bro to Xanatos. Adopted Twin to Bubu. Big-Brother to SmilyKrazy ---- JATSRAD Guru, JASE Member, JA SP Mod Staff ---- The Order of the Stick -- Big thanks to Mango for my avatar -- Quote: Sometimes you've got to specifically go out of your way to get into trouble. It's called fun.
Quote: (Random hella old quote) <Fizz of Belouve> .. in sovjet russia, cereals spit at YOU!
Quote: whats the point of growing up, if your not allowed to act childish!
Padawan - Henkes
|
|
Zoro Kakashi - Ex-Student 
|
again, u know how time consuming this is? the councils are working ppl u know. _______________ "When did Noah built the Arc, before the rain, before the rain." |
| < Recent Comments | Login and add your comment! |