| An email from La Magra | |
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doobie - Jedi Council  |
The recently departed La Magra asked the Council to post this email from him, so here it is: "hey, I don't know where to start but as some of you might know allready I've recently been banned from the JA. I am taking full responsibility for the ban, because I believe that the council took the right decision. I'd like to apologize to the ppl I've hurt with my actions. I'd never ment to hurt any of you. But the truth is that I did hurt some of you and I deserve to be punished so I am accepting this ban without further fight. I'd also like to say, alltho it is unlikely, but if the council should decide to lift my ban, I'll probably never return to the JA. The JA has been a part of my life for more than a year and a half and I loved every moment here. But I won't return for one reason. Missing the JA is a constant reminder of what I've done wrong, it will remind me of whats wrong with my personality and for those that I've and other, I promise that I'll never let it get this far ever again. I don't blame anyone for looking at me differently or being disgusted with me cause quite frankly I am disgusted with myself at the moment. I've hurt some ppl that I care very much about and thats absolutly untolarable. I also like to mention that from this moment I won't message any JA member ever again, unless they make it clear to me that they still want to keep in contact with me (which I am hoping that few of the good friends I made here will do, and that they will forgive me for what I've done). Thats all I wanted to say. For whats its worth, I truly am sorry about my actions. LaMagra" _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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I can't say I knew this person neither did I witness what happened. But it seems pretty fair to ban him for it as a punishment for hurting people more than once. Even though it's hard to agree with the ban when you were not even involved, if you think about it, it was worth it. At least La Magra knows what he has done and is accepting his ban for his big mistake. I guess it was probebly the attitude which may have led to times like this, but it just wasn't the right attitude to be in the academy with. Because it hardly happened, I think it would be alright to keep in contact with him. Thats just my opinion. |
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Kyp Nadon - Student 
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later pall. sadd... _______________ dont't think im a newbie! and if you dont believe me check this one out |
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Rogue - Student 
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Sorry Ive been a pain in the ass Doob. What you just said is what I was trying to say in one of my posts, maybe I just didnt word it right but I was tryign to get it over that rhere are very few opinions that are correct or incorrect  _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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Ok, that's enough, I'm about ready to lock this thread. It has no longer served its purpose, and is instead just causing arguments. Please stop the fighting or I really will lock it BTW, Rogue, there's nothing wrong with freedom of speech, but what you've been doing is abusing that freedom by using it to instigate others into unnecessary, never-ending arguments. In the future, and this goes for everyone, not just Rogue, be careful about what you post. You may feel 100% that your opinion is right, but that doesn't mean it's the right opinion to express at the given time. _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me This comment was edited by doobie on Apr 07 2004 01:38pm. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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Halendor we are the JA police and yes, this thread is leading nowhere. however, closing this thread will not resolve anything, as will silence never reslove anything. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" This comment was edited by Fizz of Belouve on Apr 07 2004 08:14pm. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Rogue is entitled to his opinion. But you all have to realize that aside from a freedom of speech, you also have total freedom in what you read, listen to and in general, care about. You are not the Academy police. And personally, I think you were judging Rogue yourself by saying that he couldn't voice his opinion. And please pay attention to my signature |
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Katan - Student 
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Ok, I've been watching this thread. This is bullsh!t. I'm fairly sure Magra didnt want his banning to start some big stupid argument. Most everyone who has been posting insults, retorts to others needs to sit back, and take a peice of STFU pie. If you want to sit here having a debate about "freedom's of speech" or other such stuff, take it to General Discussion, or better yet, take it to IRC. This is a farewell to Magra. Not a post for people to flame each other. _______________ |
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Rogue - Student 
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Obviously going around insulting people is not what i meant. I wasnt insulting anyone and no one else who has posted here has insulted anyone either. Jace, I live in Wales bro, same laws, you can still be hanged for treason, only 1 of 2 ways the death penalty can be carried out, the other is Piracy on The High Seas. Anyway if you are not insulting anyone, discriminating or being racist, then freedom of speech is necessary _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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That is exactly what I'm talking about. It's the Race Relations Act. If you noticed, i quoted a bit of it. CAN WE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD NOW? _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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This is going nowhere fast. What is done is done. Beating this subject with a stick isn't gonna change anything. Besides making people angry at each other. Just drop it already. It serves no use... _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Rogue, now you're going beyond the opinion. Now you're accusing other's opinion of being bs. You have the right to voice an opinion, but not to insult others. And Mena is right, there's no such thing as complete freedom of speech. Perhaps in your own home, but certainly not here. If we had complete freedom of speech, you could run around calling people f*g, and swear like crazy. We don't. We have rules set. So do societies. I bet England has a law, like Denmark, that you cannot insult the monarch? Or a law against racism? Those prevent freedom of speech. You just don't notice it. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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So it's alright to: 1) incite people to do criminal acts, 2) incite racial hatred, 3) " discrimination on grounds of gender, 4) " " " " " sexuality "the right to freedom of political speech and public debate is essential, it should not be viewed as an absolute right which has no limits." Use your head. *again calls on the council to close this thread* _______________ This is not the place to look for me This comment was edited by Menaxia on Apr 07 2004 11:25am. |
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Rogue - Student
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No such thing??? Where do you live? Iraq?? FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS HOW THE WORLD DEVELOPS. That is some of the biggest BULLSH*T Ive ever heared in my life _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Menaxia - Student
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In light of what happens every single time a post like this is put up, I think it might have been better to just put up the post and not allow replies. It just turns into a 'freedom of speech' debate WITHOUT FAIL. It's completely pointless - there is NO such thing as freedom of speech. Not realy. *Calling on the Council to close this thread* _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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I agree with Darthy on this. But I also understand why people are frustrated. I bet the JACs knew that asking for the blind trust of the students on this matter would lead to such reactions. If you like Maggy then keep in touch with him. What's been done has been done. He won't return even if he had a chance to. HE wrote it himself. Now please let this thread die, it was purely informative and not something to discuss about. And again, if you like Maggy, keep in touch with him, don't fight over his ban in here, it's useless. And please people, try to keep your calm and not lose your temper. We are civilized people, we are brothers and sisters and this is why this matter is so painful for the JA. Be at peace  Odan-Wei _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy  - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife!  - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here This comment was edited by Odan-Wei Belouve on Apr 07 2004 10:43am. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Could we please stop repeating the same thing over and over here. All I see is Students saying things as like: Magra shouldn't been banned and Admins reply to that with: You don't know all the facts and have faith in the Council's decissions. I thought this post was made so we could read La Magra's apology, not to make people react there frustration out on each other. Just my opinion though, but I say lock the thread, people can still read it, just can't reply. This comment was edited by D@RtHM@UL on Apr 06 2004 10:14pm. |
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Zing98 - Student 
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surely ppl can trust the JAC on this, its unlikly they'd ban someone without a VERY good reason, stating yor opinion is all veyr well and good, but opinions do still need facts. we know magra did something wrong, we dont know what, considering how this topic shows how he was liked, there must be a VERY good reason. theres a difference between an opinion and just being bull headed _______________ "Stop acting like little girls and learn to suck up to the mods like normal people" Remind me to kill my parents for loss of JA for so long. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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/me claps at virty _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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well it's somewhat hard to find out what magra did JJ... No-one will give any info. Yeah sexual harassment. We harass Aratan all day on IRC... So it must have been something really worse. IMHO opinions should be welcome. Judging is part of one's opinion. Offensive judging isn't really welcome though. Keep it down Rogue _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. This comment was edited by _cmad_ on Apr 06 2004 09:09pm. |
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Rogue - Student
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Nobody is judging anyone, especially not me. I cant see in my post where where it says "If I were a JAC...". Look Closely fellas I said. "IN MY OPINION I THINK BANNING HIM WAS WRONG". I THINK I THINK I THINK Understand??? Im not saying it was dead wrong and your all idiots. Its an opinion. I dont understand why you dont get it... _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Freedom of speech? How's this... Alright, so basically what Rogue said is that we shouldn't have banned La Magra, but instead helped him. That's like having someone move a chair under your ass so you can sit down. You take a problem away from the people, you don't rearrange the people for the convenience of a problem. La Magra was an awesome guy, but he did unforgivable things. Before you open your mouths, try and find out about what you're talking about first. I know that before I found out the reason of La Magra's banning, I thought he should have been demoted, and not banned. However, when I found out reasons, I was in full support of the Council's decision. If you don't have faith in the JA's staff, then there are plenty of other places to go. Your opinions are fine with me, I just don't think you should be so quick to judge the JA staff's and it's decisions, ESPECIALLY when you, frankly, don't know what you're talking about. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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*claps* _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Fate - Student 
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Jumpin, Aron. I disagree. Certainly, I would be the first to condemn the actions of any person that would be offensive. Additionally, I acknoledge that I do not have all the facts regarding the ban of La Migra, but what you both just said goes too far. An opinion is nothing unless it is accompanied by the freedom to express it. Certainly, we all have a responsibility to express our opinions in a constructive manner, and in a respectful manner, but when we disagree with the actions of others (including the Council) we must be safe in the knowledge that we will be free to state such opinions and seek redress. Progress is a slow thing, and we can only hamper our own growth and development by oppressing contrary views. _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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Rogue, you have the right to an opinion, not the right to judge. |
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Aron - Retired 
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There is a difference between an opinion and a flame. I don't care if you like to express your feelings, and that you might be sad with him leaving. I can very well understand that. Just don't make posts like "BANNING HIM WAS WRONG", "IF I WERE A JAC..."... No offense, but that is no opinion. It is called BS. Please don't take that personal. I have nothing against you mate, really I guess we are all a bit shook up, each in our own way. This comment was edited by Aron on Apr 06 2004 04:02pm. |
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