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JamesF1 - Student  |
Nice hot topic to discuss - what are your views? Obviously, I think CREATION is t3h 0wnz0r  _______________ Website This post was edited by JamesF1 on Apr 05 2004 12:47pm. |
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Badger Hat - Student 
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Our evidence is our faith, it's hard to except and hard to explain. I believe in creation, the flood, and a loving God. _______________ RL bro to HawkJedi Chuck Norris pwns!(duh) Proud member of Yeah, it's a hat. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I'm 16 too, and you don't see me calling names here... not even when I was called a loser... hehe just hit a pillow (and by pillow I don't mean wall or face) to calm down if you feel like shouting... or shout to the mirror... they never react, so that's fun... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Beware, I'm only 16, and therefore I might call names if someone disagrees with me  _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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yeah, no tension here man... hehe, well, yeah, Ulic, it's quite the same, but only in Tolkiens theory of the conception of Middle-Earth we have Ilúvatar, who hears the music of his children (or whatever I should call them ) and the music is about a world. Ilúvatar first makes it real in their own thoughts or something like that, until they want it to be real. So Ilúvatar made a nice little globe in which his children could grow things, make things live etc...and then of course we have Melkor who wants to rule everything and becomes the first Dark Lord, and gets all other gods (or semi-gods, whatever, against him) This is actually quite like the Bible, now I think of it. In which we would compare Ilúvatar to the Christian God, Melkor (or Morgoth) to Lucifer (or Satan) and all the kids of Ilúvatar to Angels... very nicely done by Tolkien, I have to admit... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I'm sorry Gradius, but where exactly do you sense tension?  |
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Tamino - Student 
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Believe what you will. In the end you will come face to face with the answer. Follow your heart and not your mind as the mind faulters. _______________ Padwan of Motrec; Brother to GaRos "When you find yourself standing on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reflect" - Mark Twain |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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That's basically the same as creation, a god/divinity that creates other gods to shape the world. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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let's all believe what Tolkien says in 'The Silmarillion' it's a nice explanation... read the book, it's too long to explain here... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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But if you believe God created this word, then how did God get here in the first place? As Kenyon says, if you go way back, it's all a matter of belief. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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Well said Bro. _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Yeah, it gets tricky when you go far back. People think they have a ready answer because of the theory, but in the end it all boils down on what you believe in. "Where did we come from?" "Monkeys." "Where did they come from?" "Genetic matter forming to create life." "So where did this planet come from?" "A collection of matter and energy with close proximity to our sun and an established atmosphere raised the chances of life on this world." "So where did this galaxy come from?" "All galaxies come from the big bang." "So where did the big bang come from? What was there before the big bang?" "...Err..." So it's never really a science versus faith argument. It's all a matter of belief. |
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Menaxia - Student
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This post assumes that Charles Darwin got the theory of evolution rght. I have news for you - he didn't. All arguments in here are flawed because they are based on a choice where one of the options is a false premise.... _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Silent Whisper - Retired 
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ooooo philosophy 101 in college talks all about this. Quite interesting really. But this is for all you material monists out there. Answer one question for me about your precious matter. If matter is the basis of everything where did it come from? Did it spontaneously appear? If it did then you need to ask yourself why it doesn't last forver if it has always been around. I am a Theist. I believe in God the creator. Plain and simple. Evolution and "science" are things created to fill the voids of people who continue to deny God's existence. (not a flame, just my belief ^^) _______________ "I have learned from Vergere only that there is no such thing as sides of the Force....for the side is merely a reflection of your intentions of the Force. Use it in hate, and it will be hate. Use it offensively in good, and you will find my Truth." -Jacen Solo, "Traitor", New Jedi Order |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Why should we base opinions solely on facts? I mean, you can always find facts that support your opinion. What happened to philosophy? Logic? Ethics? That's all done by mere thinking, but still can provide you with nice discussion material (look at Socrates and Plato). Sometimes facts are essential, but I believe they're not a necessity for a vivid discussion. Beware, I'm only 16, and therefore I might call names if someone disagrees with me |
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Rainer - Student |
As much fun as all of this sounds I'm not going to get involved for the following reasons. 1) This is my main reason, I don't have the time to check my sources and write up posts that I would consider presentable for any sort of debating on this issue. You may say that this was meant only for us to express our view and not debate it, but this conversation would soon turn into a debate. 2) Online debates about pretty much anything can get very stupid. If there were to be any serious debate on anything the debate itself should be based on facts. The sources of these facts would have to be documented with the post. The reason for this is you get far too many people just listing off things they heard and considering them factual. 3) Third is the whole idea of having a 'serious discussion' on the internet-especially at a site meant for players of Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. We have all sorts of ages and maturity levels here. Now as long as facts are presented you can't damn the source based merely on age and maturity level, but the problem I see is not the facts that they may or may not put forward. No, the problem I see is when someone who is immature finds that they no longer have a leg to stand on with their position and instead of conceding with the opposing position or at least telling them that they have a good point, they'll whine, call names, and then push their original point again regardless of facts previously presented. As far as my views go, I believe in creation. I think I'll leave it at that. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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I agree with Gradius. This is a topic that could easily make ppl angry. This is a topic that no matter what evidence you present you won't change my opionion...and i doubt you will change anyone else's, so feel free to post your views, but don't try and force your view onto other people -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Gradius - Ex-Student
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Oh, Jacen you're done talking? Well allow me to retaunt. Lol j/k man I've seen Pulp Fiction too many times. Anyways, I think it would be in the best interest of everyone to leave this subject be. Everyone who had a thought on it posted and I think that's great how we have so many different views. But there seems to be a little tension rising with every new post, and I just wanted to be the guy to let you all know that so that perhaps it won't get too out of hand. Think about it. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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That's not proof, that's logic. I need indisputable proof, see with my own eyes that you love your father. I don't want to see you give him a hug, I want you to prove your love. We both know that's the real question, you just dodged it. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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hahaha your such a wise ass DJ oh and i have nothing to contribute to this thread other then i thought contact sucked hairy donkey gonads. now continue on with the scientific disscusion. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Edit; as for DJ's comment: Quote: ...I believe evidence that I can see with my own two eyes... For that argument, I just pull up the quote from the movie "Contact"... "Do you love your father?" "Yes. Yes, I do." "Prove it." Contact's a great movie. Anyhow here's an answer to your retort. My father and I are in a social contract that is mutually beneficial for both of us. He brought me into this world and has helped to provide me with the means to grow and live. With all this and for providing me with love in exchange I love him in return. I benifit because I can continue living when I otherwise wouldn't have had the means (being a baby ya know ). He recieves affection and such from me. It's win win!Were my Dad to beat me or whatnot the contract would be void and I probably wouldn't love him. Back to your regularly scheduled discussion already in progress. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
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Quote: And where is the proof that God exist? Have we ever witnessed God? No? No actual proof of him? Then get lost. The only proof we have are manuscripts and documentation that have been cross-refrenced and verified through entirely scientific means. Have you ever seen a guy growing feathers or a girl with gills? Then get lost. Ahhh, but, care to give me an example of that science? James' examples don't REALLY do the thing, as all they do is diss evolution but not give a single bit of scientific evidence that creationists are right. And as for the documentation.... sorry if I seem stupid, but I'm *really* not into all this, I don't care enough about it to find references or anything, so you'll have to show it to me. Just please don't use the Bible as an example... it's biased. |
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Sared - Retired 
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I have not seen my brain. Therefore, I cannot see or find evidence that I have a brain. For that matter, it is entirely possible that I have existed and functioned thus far without said organ. On that note, I have also not seen any friends of mine cocooning and metamorphasising into a higher form. Now as far as evolving into a lower form, well...THAT can be argued all day.... If I did witness human evolution then I might be more so inclined to believe it. But therein is the problem. For evolution to work, we would have had to be at it for billions and millions of years, therefore, nobody is going to be around from way back when to show us/tell us what humans were like back then, or even if they changed to thier current configuration. The point where evolution has its strong points is with ancient skeletons imbedded in stone. Oh, that and a few missdrawn embryos...The same can be said of creationism. Nobody was around to witness the beginning, and surely nobody is still around to tell us how it was done. Quote: And where is the proof that God exist? Have we ever witnessed God? No? No actual proof of him? Then get lost. The only proof we have are manuscripts and documentation that have been cross-refrenced and verified through entirely scientific means. Have you ever seen a guy growing feathers or a girl with gills? Then get lost. /me snogs Jacen Aratan When you ask "Have we ever witnessed God?" you are making an entirely open and sweeping question. Have we as a culture witnessed God? Has God come and announced himself at the UN? Did God come down in a landing craft to announce to the world that he exists? Did God take the heart of a broken and corrupt man like me and turn my life into a life worth living? I'll let you answer the rest, I personally will put a resounding yes on that last one.  _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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And by the way, I wasn't intending to introduce religion into this - purely using scientific evidence. _______________ Website |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Let me just settle one thing. There are two types of evolution: 1) Micro-evolution: which means what the name suggest, small mutations inside species (producing different variations of the same species, but not producing new ones). 2) Macro-evolution: the common 'evolution' which states that everything evolved from a single cell and can develop new species, etc. _______________ Website |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I agree... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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