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Sared - Retired  |
This is in refrence to the Meeting held today, for more explaining, check out the transcript.
The purpose of this system will not only encourage stundents to participate in more gun fights, but its main goal is better equip students to play (and not get utterly destroyed) on Gun FFA servers. Aside from this, it will give the students something else to work for and achieve, especially students who simply prefer guns over lightsabers. If you have played 'America's Army: Operations', then you willl be familliar with its weapons ranking system. If not, allow me to decribe it in small detail. You are only ranked on one weapon but the system goes like this. You are given forty targets to hit. You must hit a minimum of twenty-three targets to pass and earn the minimum ranking, hit 30 for a higher rank, and 36 to get the best possible ranking. This is not precicesly what I would like to see implemented in the Jedi Academy, but it provides a good model and framework for it. Students would select on their profile which weapons they wish to specialize in. They would then attend 'Guns Schools' (rather than classes). After they have attended the required amount of schools then they would be allowed to be tested (rather than trialed) for the ranking they are hoping for. Some schools will require you to have a certian ranking to enroll. Some of these classes may have force disabled and others may use full force powers for certian conditions. I have already spoken to Huxley about this and he said that he would consider making a map for these classes, by all means, please do not hold Huxley to this, he has only expressed intrest, not commitment (yet). _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. This post was edited by Sared on Feb 15 2003 04:50pm. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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lol pepsi you got me wrong. in case you didn't notice i basically reposted what you said only changed the key words to show you what it sounded like. that's all  and i still don't like the cockyness... we are here to try to uphold jedi-like qualities so please...  _______________ make install -not war |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Hehe. Finally the discussions are flourishing (or burning like Dantes Inferno, mayhaps).
Anyways... to start with, I would like to point out (for those who just get angry about my post and not read the starting argument of the discussion) WHY the council wanted to start doing (more) guns classes. Quote: "The purpose of this system will not only encourage stundents to participate in more gun fights, but its main goal is better equip students to play (and not get utterly destroyed) on Gun FFA servers." End quote. The council is aware of the fact that saber vs rocket launcher is highly unfair, and the saber comes out second best in 9999 cases of 10000 in a full force game, and about 9999 out of 100 (yes, I can count) in a no force game. In reply to Jedi_Prodigy: Maybe, and maybe not. I've never seen you in a guns ffa game, but I think I could hold my own. Most of the kills I make on ffa servers is with bryar, since that's the only gun you get when you respawn, and for some reason I've managed to finish in the top 3 every time I play. In reply to BuBu: Am I to take that as an invitation to play saber vs guns, where you'd be using the saber? If so, then please tell me where to be and at what time. I'll make sure to demo it so the rest of the academy can watch it and enjoy your humiliation (even though I think they would appreciate mine more). As long as we both ping 150 or less I'm up for it. Yes, ofcourse I like the idea of having it split up in two parts. In case you haven't noticed, I sort of came up with the idea (*doh*). In reply to MINDofSIN(again): I see you accepted the challenge, which is nice. I have emailed you with further details, and expect to see you on #ja channel on irc.enterthegame.com somewhere between 4pm and 11pm GMT tomorrow. As for "all the gun tactics could be covered in a class or two". This reflects pretty good what I think about the saber, and we're both obviously wrong. What differs me from you is that I know I'm wrong, and you seem not to. Just as there is more to the saber than 3 stances and a throw, there's more to the guns than "shooting straight, lobbing, zooming, and homing", but you will probably never learn that, since you seem to be so puffed up in your belief that multiplayer is like singleplayer and killing is best done with a saber or some lightning.... Gun on! /Pepsi, your not-so-humble owner PS. This agitation business is coming along quite good, and the lobbying seems to be paying off as well. Now I just have to defeat everybody challenging me, but how hard can that be?
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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let me get this right Pepsi, ur sayin if we went 1 on 1 and u had a Byrar and i had a lightsaber, ud beat me???? _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" This comment was edited by JP on Feb 16 2003 09:36pm. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Arcuss, bear my children. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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i like the medals system too. maybe there could be other challenges that you could get medals in too like movement or sumthin. _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Sared - Retired 
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Yeah, what Shannon said _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Shannon -SC- - Student 
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I'd love the idea to get badges or medals for doing well in a obstacle, or such. This would be apart of any class/rank, but it would encourage ppl to go for it and thus honing their skills. (We could make the badges/medals viewable in the profil) _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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(SKX) Dark Blade - Student 
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hehe arcuss is so hard on himself. _______________ What is the difference between love and Herpes? Herpes lasts forever. (CDC joke) Padawans: Trad Redav, Darth Jello, Tallepyon, Shang Chi, Dopp, Karlin Duke, AuroN, Koushka, Damon, and Katan Brother to Xanatos |
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Arcuss - Student 
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Be prepared to laugh. |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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All the gun tactics could be covered in a class or two.
Their are no gun specific players. I think it would be stupid to have two different paths when both skills should be known. Guns and force powers are not used as much as they should be but we don't need a separate path. If you don't like sabers, go to some gun classes. We have one or two. Ask people to gunfight in the courtyard. A knight or trainer who couldn't weild a saber better than most in the JEDI Academy would be laughable. I'll take you up on that challenge. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. This comment was edited by MINDofSIN on Feb 16 2003 02:31pm. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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I like the ideas about learning guns. As for a separate ranking system, I don't really care. However the council sees fit to handle that aspect of it is up to them, I'm sure they'll do fine. To me I'd at least like to have the class(es) available. I personally like both sabres and guns.
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Trad Redav - Student 
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lol bubu
i think it's a good idea, the only gun i would consider going after is the demp 2, though _______________ Well then. Just so you know, just because I don't post often doesn't mean I don't lurk this place multiple times every day... |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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reply to pepsi:
1. you obviously haven't met any good saberists. if you want a challenge then play me NF FF or whatever. If you beat me, I'll never use a saber again. I have a server we can use for this. 2. You should like the idea of having the academy split into two 'fractions' then, where ppl who don't wanna touch sabers don't have to to advance, and ppl (like me) who thinks guns are silly don't have to waste time shooting. you don't like this post? i wonder why!  _______________ make install -not war |
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Reply to MINDofSIN:
1. You obviously haven't met any good gunners. If you want a challenge, then play me saber vs guns in ffa or ctf or whatever. If you beat me, I'll never use a gun again. I have a server we can use for this. 2. You should like the idea of having the academy split into two 'fractions' then, where ppl who don't wanna touch guns don't have to to advance, and ppl (like me) who thinks sabers are silly don't have to waste time duelling. |
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Sared - Retired 
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Yeah, I like the running and dodging idea. Other ideas came up like 'bouncing skills' with the flechett gun and the bowcaster. Other ideas include the Defender (gun style, not saber) in which the player cannot move and must kill the player attacking him. I have some other ideas laying around, just havent had time to organize them... _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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ahh so nice to see my padawan workin hard to improve the JA!
i think it's a great idea.. _______________ make install -not war |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I can regularly beat gunners using only my saber and the force.
Honestly, I don't like this idea. I think it would be boring. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Ah! One more thing. Instead of getting 'grades' in gunning you could award medals or something. That makes it less hierarchical and ppl who don't want to gun wouldn't feel 'smaller' because they don't pass the tests. As for me, I don't like sabers, so I'd love to see a "Hall of Guns" and a "Hall of Sabers" where you climb a similar ladder in both places.
Especially since I believe there are many instructors that simply shouldn't be teaching guns, as they themselves are scarcely competent enough to point out the dangerous end of the sniper rifle.... Nuff said (hope I didn't offend anyone) /Pepsi |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
To use more guns is an xlnt idea. Some ppl I've spoken to in the academy actually think they would stand a chance using a saber and nothing else when playing against guns, even though it's obvious that it is not so. Even someone using just a briar pistol will eventually get them, if he's any good.
As for this test thingie, I can't imagine anything less exciting than that, since any idiot in the world can hit targets that aren't moving... I think I know a better way to do it anyways. Here's how it would work: The guy spawns whereever and gets to use whatever gun he fancies (or the gun that's there for the test) while some other dudes have as sole and only mission to get from one point to another. If the gunner kills them he wins, otherwise he loses. This is also pretty good since the runners get to practice dodging in a most natural way. However, to make sure it is not just 'accidental' hitting, one could do the test 4 times with 10 ppl running, and if he misses more than one every time he doesn't pass. For those of you interested I can recommend instagib ctf, which takes gunning and dodging to extremes. At least it improved my gunning quite a bit (which isn't to say little considering I play the top pro league for $$$ with my clan). gun on! /Pepsi |
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Arcuss - Student 
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More gun training would be cool, but the added ranks would be a pain in the back side for the council and the JATs.
I think it would be better if gun training was a part of the curriculum talked about in the meeting. I really like the idea of a new rank system where you have to prove you are progressing in all skill areas as you go up in rank. I had a short chat with Hux once after seeing one of his custom maps. We talked about a map with multi levels that you go to for trials. Each new rank would require a certain set of skills in order to make it through the course to the dueling & question part of the trials map. So in order to reach the top level you would have to posses all the desired skills for all of the ranks, at which time you would be a very well rounded player. I'd like to see that made a reality. :arcuss: This comment was edited by Arcuss on Feb 15 2003 07:51pm. |
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Charon - Ex-Student 
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Americas Army, the wonderful propaganda game. Because recruiters coming to High-Schools just isn't enough...
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Just like it says on your profile picture, I think that would be "Cooler Than Hell"!
Thoough I've played Quake2, SOF, and MOHAA, I still suck at guns and could definitely use the help. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Aron - Retired 
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guns are evil! EVIL I TELL YA! *in jk2 that is* |
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Azn - Ex-Student 
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I'm up for this |
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Rampage - Student 
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w00t |
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