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The War on Terrisom.... Please just state your general feelings on it... Here is mine exactly:
"It is a.. such a fucked up world we live in today. It seems with the a ... the wars that are going on that we don't know about, the war that is about to start in Iraq, the avalanche that killed so many people out west, the space shuttle blowing up... It just like, I don't know, enough already, you know... It's too much for a world to take in a couple of months.. weeks.. I gotta tell, I'm very proud to be Canadian but... I would give my left arm to arm to have a Prime Minister that has the balls to tell the US that we are not going to war with... to hundreds of thousand of proud, hard-working, defenceless Iraq people" - Raine Maida I'm not here to start a debate, I just want to see what the poeple of the JA are feeling _______________ Bringing newbies closer to perfection since 1998. This post was edited by JA > Yun on Feb 15 2003 10:19pm. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Treb part of the reason there's a bit more focus on Iraq than N. Korea is because we were already pushing to disarm Saddam when the North Korea story broke. I don't think it would be very easy to completely shift a military action away from one objective you've been preparing for to something totally different. Bush is also very moral I guess you could say in his thinking. He sees things a lot like a texas western, fight against good and evil. The bad guys against the good guys. He really sticks to what he's going to say he'll do. He's kind of the cowboy the rest of the world sometimes associates all americans as being.
Anyone hear about the war games britain held over there? Apparently some Iraqi soldiers thought the war was starting so they came to surrender. They were tired and hungry and the war hadn't even started yet. There's also a 26 year old soldier that defected that said saddam is booby trapping oil fields to blow, something he said he would not do in that dan rather interview. Basically Saddam is known to lie. When he threw out the inspectors several years ago and we bombed them for a while, a weapons cache was discovered by accident. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Gabba - Ex-Student 
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looking at the original post,
The world has always been messed up, Ive been im bomb scares (one turnd out real and i was next to it) I knew 2 people convicted on bombing charges for Meibion Glyndwr (Sons of Glendower), i have also stood next to there members on a indipendence demo. Looking around now i nothing has changed, i remember the last war with iraq, ive seen terror, wars, tragedys, all my life, so now i might be unmoved but the apparent "change of the world" One thing i have to ask, If America has changed so much since 9/11, why on earth did i read lately that Irish Americans are still pumping money into the Republican cause, this money could be used to fund another terror campaing in the north or on british mainland, So you see, nothing has changed, the world has always been this mad, stick around it can be fun to watch _______________ Sit vis nobiscum. |
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Trebizond - Ex-Student 
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In the best possible way, and I do respect your opinion, Insaniac, I do disagree fundamentally with you. If Saddam Hussein and his WMD are so important, why wait until just after September 11th to 'remember' this.
More to the point, according to both UN and independent verification, Iraq is at least 5 years off 'real' WMD. On the other hand, North Korea is perhaps 6 months. Hmmm, North Korea doesn't have any oil, does it? Sorry if I sounded slightly sarcastic there, it wasn't intentioned as a dig at you, Insaniac. With the utmost respect to you and your opinion, I believe it is slightly naive to believe our leaders are throughly decent and goodly. Perhaps they aren't as bad as Hussein, but we are all human beings after all. Cynical, eh? Take it easy Treb And another couple of thoughts :p 1) Doesn't the way we've accused Saddam smack of 'Guilty until proven Innocent'? 2) The US and UK have many thousands of troops and support troops in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Anyone who thinks they're just there for the good of their health is fooling themselves. To pull them back from this kind of war-footing would cost untold millions of dollars/pounds. Once armed forces have got this far, you aren't going to hold them back. Think of it as a deadly orgasm. (That's probably a bad analogy) _______________ "He asked us 'Be you angels?' and we said 'Nay! We are but Men!'" This comment was edited by Trebizond on Mar 08 2003 03:02pm. |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg&f_odd=1)
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i just have a clarification, Bush doesn't really care so much about getting saddam out of office, he cares more about him disarming like he is supposed to (the agreements he sign years back). again i am staying nuetral for now, but i just wanted to point out that Bush it only out to make sure Iraq Disarms like it was supposed to. _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Fonz - Student 
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Good points well made! _______________ Support bacteria, they're the only culture some people have. |
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Trebizond - Ex-Student 
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Well, difficult topic to express oneself clearly upon, but I've got a few things floating around in my head.
1) All of Saddam Hussein's facilities for making chemical weapons were constructed by British and US companies, with implicit understanding and consent of their respective governments. 2) The only country to utilise weapons of mass-destruction continually since 1945 has been the United States of America. (Nagasaki, Hiroshima are the obvious ones, but what about Agent Orange in Vietnam?) 3) As for UN Resolutions, Israel has been in contravention of UN Resolution 238 since 1968, not to mention at least 5 other UN Resolutions. Now, I don't want to come across as hating Americans or the West. However, it would well behoove everyone to remember that we are no angels ourselves. Also, Muslims do not kill themselves killing others because they enjoy it, which is sometimes the representation we in the west are given. Human history is replete with examples of the only motive for which people will consistently die for - freedom. From Thermopylae to the Japanese on Okinawa. When people believe, either rightly or wrongly, that their intrinsic freedom is being threatened, they will instinctively fight back by every means at their command. I don't want to sound like an appeaser, as a trained historian I understand the dangers inherent with that approach. However, if there is one thing History teaches you is that it is always better to talk than to shoot. Just one last thing - it seems like anti-american sentiment has risen noticeably in the last year or so. I do not believe this is aimed at American people, because certainly I do not blame them for anything. However, the question that independent observers should ask themselves is; Is Saddam Hussein reason enough to allow America and its immediate allies (including us Brits) cultural and military hegemony over the entire world? I think that Hussein is a very bad man, but to get rid of him by force gives America et al carte blanche to rid anyone they aren't comfortable with. And if you believe that won't happen, and that your western country is basically decent, remember Agent Orange and the British Concentration Camps in South Africa (the first built in 1898). Difficult to remain siting on the fence on this one; but why can't people get on? Take it easy Treb _______________ "He asked us 'Be you angels?' and we said 'Nay! We are but Men!'" |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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i TOTALLY agree with you mistral. patriotism leads us to believe that our country is better than others, and the gov plays on that such as pearl harbor(WWII)-i think tht the pres back then had info on hwat was gonna happen, and when he got the call that pearl harbor was attacked he said somthin like "we hav won the war" cuz he knew that americans would get angry and fully support the war effort.
my beef on religion is that parents raise their children in a certain religion, which to me sounds like brainwashing. i mean to me, some of the stuff starts sounding like a cult after a while. kids have no say in their religion. im catholic, but i dont believe in all of these ideals, but most kids are taught to believe their religions ideas. im seriously thinkin bout atheism, or something else that is more open-minded. another reason why im not so sure bout christianity is because during the old times(middle ages+farther back) the church was corrupt. it taught many things that it did not know simply because they were the biggest power back then. thats why i dont take part in all of these traditions that the church follows. ok enough serious stuff. and i got off topic again. i do that alot. and Ulic- does ur two cents count for all ur posts, or is it two cents per post? in thta case where are these cents, since u are makin a big pile? where can i pick them up? btw if you disagree about what i say, go easy on me, im young.  _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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A'Sharad Hett I have to disagree. I believe everyone has a right to express their opinion regarding Bush and Iraq as this affects us all. As far as i'm aware people from many different countries lost their lives on Sept 11th. I may not live on your side of the Atlantic but I, as did many others, felt the pain that tragic event caused. Still do. Basically I'm not patriotic in anyway. I believe patriotism to be one of the things holding humanity back(religious beliefs being another). I consider myself a citizen of the world and care about its future. None of us gets to choose where we're born, including the good people of Iraq. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the back of that tyrant Saddam just as my spirits lifted upon hearing the news of the Talibans demise. I just don't think war is the answer. Innocent people will die. Iraqi people are still working hard to rebuild after the Gulf War and now the U.S decide to destroy whats being done now and promise to rebuild later. Senseless.
More power to the U.N I say. That's what they're there for. Surely the whole point of the U.N is for countries to put aside their differences and solve these problems. At least that's how it should work. If the U.S decides to go against the U.N on this its only going to increase anti-american sentiment, increasing the divide. Surely that would be a very bad thing. More hatred, more terrorism, more war. This "War On Terrorism" is a vicious circle. Great. Now I'm depressed  .
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Well, the terrorists (Bin Laden) is pissed that we have Americans in the middle east, ever since the Gulf War. One could argue that he makes no distinction between 1000 Americans being there and 100,000 Americans. He'll be pissed either way. Plus, 100,000 American troops is probably higher for security, denying him much in ability (he's sorta limited now).
As for more terrorists, I think you'll get just as much protest as you would with any war. Many domestic terrorists (like the Weathermen), arose from protest over the war. I'd be more concerned about war protestors in the US becoming terrorists, than I would about the Middle East. It is definately a high probablity that you'd get more American-bred attacks than foreign-bred. I'd have the facts to back that up too, the radicals are more of a problem than the Arabs. And the radicals are even protected here as well, as Americans. That's my 2 cents. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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A war on Iraq will create more terrorists in the Middle East.
When it boils down to it, 19 individuals with no real weapons caused 9/11. We dont need more terrorists in this world. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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guys, what do u expect if your fine president W just walks in randomly into other countries. he is simply a wimp to be a president. He's the cause of most problems. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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The only thing that concerns me is the reaction of all of Osama's biatches if we go in there. I wouldn't be surprised if those bastards already had something ready to go. Maybe I'm just more concerned about it bcuz NYC is only an hour's drive away and there's no question that it's one of their main targets.
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Hmm..
I don't have all my note to weigh in, but I will contribute what I know off the top of my head. Saddam is talking tough about a war with the US, claiming that a defeat of the US would be a day worthy of remembrance. His hard-line talk indicates a desire to kick some US ass (and maybe capability), but he is also destroying warheads and chemical artillery. Iraq is playing strategist. He knows that if he is destroying things openly, it will be hard for Bush to generate support for military action. Also, I don't have the exact figures, but Iraq suffers a $100 billion dollar loss through sanctions each year, because they were developing and pursuing weapons of mass destruction. To really think that Iraq will hand them over to be destroyed is just insane. I mean, guys, if you gave your left testicle to have sex with the most gorgeous woman in the world, you're not gonna give up that opportunity, after they've taken your testicle. I mean, IT COST YOU A TESTICLE!!! You made a major sacrifice for something, you're just not going to flush it down the toilet (flush the opportunity, not the testicle). So one needs to remember everything Iraq gave up in order to GET such weapons. They're most likely only getting rid of some of them to complicate matters. It's political manipulation, semantics. Like calling an increase in taxes a "gradual refund adjustment." I mean hell, if someone put the headline out that Bush wanted to implement a Gradual Refund Adjustment, it would meet less opposition. Same idea here. Do I think we'll have war? Probably not soon. It'll be too hot to operate there, on both sides, and it will only allow for buildup on the part of Iraq. It will be a mistake that, hopefully, our children will be around to learn from in the history books. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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TiTo (inactive) - Student 
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BTW - I don't wish for war, but it is unavoidable... Bush has pretty much made up his mind... _______________ Not back yet... I'll come one day, I hope... The madman formerly (and still) known as Tito! Coming to take back my title as "Most insane 'person' in the JA" It's the bizzi, wizza, jizzi, Wizzil, Bizon, wizzay, Wizzat, fizzil ¶°TiTo°¶ - All work and no play makes Tito burn the bacon!  - Officially cured from spamming!!!
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TiTo (inactive) - Student 
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Shit, war is about to start. USA vs Iraq... Iraq has just dumped some pretty good missiles to show good fate, but they know that war will come anyway... Why dump good missiles when war is coming??? The answer must be: They have some much better missiles stored somewhere... Why still keep them, and not tell anyone??? Because war is coming...
Ah, Tito... The philosopher... _______________ Not back yet... I'll come one day, I hope... The madman formerly (and still) known as Tito! Coming to take back my title as "Most insane 'person' in the JA" It's the bizzi, wizza, jizzi, Wizzil, Bizon, wizzay, Wizzat, fizzil ¶°TiTo°¶ - All work and no play makes Tito burn the bacon! - Officially cured from spamming!!!
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Jello` - Student 
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Two Words: Nuke Em' (not in a microwave dumbass  ) _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg)
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ok, I am not saying which side i am, however idid have to Debate For going to war, so i Am posting my notes since there is soo much anti war sentiment... (BEWARE LOTS OF NOTES!!!)
Saddam Hussein has shown a thirst for weapons of mass destruction and a willingness to use them, as demonstrated by chemical attacks on minority Kurds in 1988 that killed an estimated 25,000. After the Gulf War, U.N. arms inspectors discovered a well-developed weapons program built with domestic and imported materials. Iraq had an extensive chemical weapons program in the 1980s. In 1998, U.N. weapons inspectors said they could not verify that the program was eliminated. In 1998, U.N. inspectors reported that while Iraq had claimed its biological weapons program was eliminated in 1991, the team was unable to verify that. The International Atomic Energy Agency reported that inspections carried out between 1991 and 1998 found Iraq had a well-funded nuclear program. The United States says Iraq has consistently defied U.N. resolutions since the end of the Gulf War, notably those dealing with the destruction of chemical and biological weapons. 1972: Iraq signs the Chemical and Biological Weapons Convention.* 1974: Baghdad orders the beginning of an effort to develop chemical, biological and nuclear arms. 1981: Israeli jets strike the Osirak nuclear reactor, destroying what Israeli intelligence insisted was a center for the production of nuclear weaponry. 1981-88: Iraq uses chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers. 1988: Iraq uses chemical weapons against Kurds in the city of Habaja, killing thousands. February, 1991: At the end of the Gulf War, Iraq agrees to unconditionally accept the destruction, removal or rendering harmless of its weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range of more than 150 kilometers. (90 miles) · Veterans coming home suffer from what has come to be called “Gulf War Syndrome” in which Biological weapons were unknowingly released upon our troops during the war, symptoms include: · Chronic Fatigue · Signs and symptoms involving skin (including skin rashes and unusual hair loss) · Headache · Muscle pain · Neurologic signs or symptoms (nervous system disorders which could manifest themselves in numbness in one's arm, for instance) · Neuropsychological signs or symptoms (including memory loss) · Signs or symptoms involving upper or lower respiratory system · Sleep disturbances · Gastrointestinal signs or symptoms (including recurrent diarrhea and constipation) · Cardiovascular signs or symptoms · Menstrual disorders August, 1991-December 1998: Despite incidents of harassment and the concealment of data, the U.N. Special Commission (UNSCOM) documents evidence of a sophisticated program to develop chemical and biological weapons. December, 1998: U.N. inspection chief Richard Butler orders his team to leave Iraq after the government blocks an unannounced inspection. The move follows a lengthy diplomatic showdown at the United Nations. After the inspectors depart, the United States and Britain launch air strikes against strategic targets. December, 1999: Seeking to salvage its reputation, the U.N. establishes a new weapons monitoring agency, the the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, or UNMOVIC, to replace UNSCOM. September, 2002: U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan announces Baghdad will permit the return of weapons inspectors. September, 2002: U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan announces Baghdad will permit the return of weapons inspectors. Nov. 8, 2002: U.N. resolution 1441 – passed unanimously by the Security Council - declared that Iraq had failed to comply with previous resolution while warning of “serious consequences” if Baghdad failed to fully account for its weapons of mass destruction while helping U.N. inspectors investigate the nation’s weapons arsenal. Jan. 16, 2003: U.N. inspectors discover 12 chemical warheads they say were unaccounted for in Iraq’s weapons declaration The first President Bush launched the 1991 war after Saddam invaded Kuwait but balked at ousting the Iraqi leader. Now, his son wants to finish the job. The feud between the Bushes and Baghdad is personal: in 1993, Washington uncovered an Iraqi-backed plot to assassinate the elder Bush during a visit to Kuwait. In May, 2002, the State Department designated seven countries as "state sponsors of terrorism," unchanged from the previous year's list. CUBA: President Fidel Castro is again accused of providing a safe haven to several terrorists and U.S. fugitives. Since Sept. 11, the State Department said Castro has vacillated over the war on terrorism. "Cuba's signature of U.N. counterterrorism conventions notwithstanding, Castro continues to view terror as a legitimate revolutionary tactic," the report said. It also noted support for a number of revolutionary groups, including Colombia's FARC movement, Spain's ETA and Northern Ireland's IRA. IRAN: Iran was the "most active" state sponsor of terrorism in 2001, according to the State Department. The country's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and Ministry of Intelligence and Security were involved in "the planning and support of terrorist acts," it said. While noting Iran's cooperation in helping to rebuild Afghanistan, the report said Iran was offering high-profile support to anti-Israeli terrorist groups. IRAQ: The State Department noted that Iraq was the only Arab-Muslim nation not to condemn the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States. The report said Saddam Hussein's son expressed sympathy to Osama bin Laden following the U.S. retaliatory strikes in Afghanistan and that Iraq provides a base to a number of terrorist groups, including the Kurdistan Workers' Party and the Palestine Liberation Front. LIBYA: The government strongly condemned the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States and Libyan leader Col. Moammar Kadhafi declared Washington was justified in retaliating. However, the report said that Libya's "past record of terrorist activity" continued to hinder Kadhafi's efforts to shed Libya’s pariah status, noting the conviction of a former intelligence agent in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988. NORTH KOREA: The government's response to efforts to combat international terrorism "has been disappointing," the report said. The State Department said North Korea has not taken substantial steps to cooperate in battling terrorism and noted the stalemate in talks on reducing the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula. SUDAN: The government has stepped up efforts to cooperate with U.S. agencies and has apprehended extremists suspected of involvement in terrorist activity, the report said. However, it remains on the list as a state sponsor of terrorism because a number of groups, including al-Qaida and Hamas continue to use Sudan as a "safe haven," the State Department said. SYRIA: Damascus condemned the Sept. 11 attacks and has cooperated with the United States in investigating al-Qaida and other terrorist groups, the report said. However, while Syria has not been implicated in any acts of terrorism since 1986, it provides a safe haven to a number of anti-Israeli terrorist groups, it said. U.S. officials say that al-Qaida operatives are based in Iraq, including Baghdad, and that Saddam's regime has helped the terrorist network. There has been no direct link made to the Sept. 11 attacks, although some media have focused on a disputed Czech intelligence report that hijacker Mohammad Atta met an Iraqi diplomat in Prague five months before the suicide strikes. Baghdad has denied any ties to al-Qaida. Iraq has been a vociferous supporter of Palestinian attacks on Israel and Saddam Hussein has offered financial rewards to the families of suicide bombers. *B Weapons Disposal and Inspection Parties to the chemical convention have agreed to destroy their chemical weapons within the next decade. This is an expensive and complicated process for countries with large arsenals. Estimated costs to destroy the U.S. stockpiles are about $10 billion; experts estimate that Russia will have to spend more than $5 billion to eliminate the stockpiles of old chemical Soviet weapons. The methods of destruction include chemical neutralization (adding other chemicals to form a nonlethal substance) and incineration. Projected expenses also reflect the need for safety and environmental protection during the process. Biological agents can usually be more easily destroyed than chemical agents. Ultraviolet light or disinfectants like formaldehyde are effective against most microorganisms. But some, like anthrax bacteria, are harder to kill and can persist in an environment indefinitely. Partly inspired by the verification provisions in the Chemical Weapons Convention, parties to the biological treaty are now working to strengthen the ban against germ weapons. As experts recognize, however, detecting illegal biological activities can be more difficult than chemical detection. The technology needed to build a large biological arsenal is simpler and requires less space than for a chemical arsenal, so biological weapons can be more easily hidden. Despite efforts to lessen the chances of biological and chemical warfare, worries persist that some countries continue to ignore the international norm against these weapons. At the end of the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq agreed to a United Nations (UN) mandate that all its chemical and biological arms be accounted for and destroyed. UN inspectors were to have access to any location in the country, but Iraq’s government repeatedly hindered weapons inspections for several years. Compliance is often a major challenge to the success of weapons treaties. If inspectors are denied unrestricted access, then hope that verification can be implemented elsewhere may decline, and other nations may continue their chemical and biological warfare programs. _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Ecomancer - Ex-Student 
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[Offtopic warning]
I have this sudden urge to Join The Navy 
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underhill - Student 
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War with Iraq will ultimately involve the loss of life on both the Iraqi and American side. That's reason enough to try one's hardest to avoid war.
Also it's clearly obvious that the Bush admin is interested only in securing control over Iraq's immense oil supply. (Petrol is so inexpenisive within Iraq that it costs maybe six dollars to fill up a tank with gas. They're basically swimming in the stuff.) I also think it's shameful that Bush is so obviously using the September 11 attacks as justification to attack anything he sees, or claims to see, as a threat. However it's not quite as black and white as that. My problem is that the regime in Iraq is one that commits trangressions against human rights everyday. Freedom of speech is unknown. People simply disappear if they speak out against Saddam. Quite clearly the Iraqi people need help in removing the dictatorship. If Bush is going to in and do all that then maybe he should have our support, regardless of his motives as the outcome could free a people? To put it simply I really don't know. _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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A'Sharad Hett - Student 
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I adore those who mouth off about the evil and wicked followers of Bush.
I adore even more those who smother the media outlets with their condemnations of Americans when they do not even live within the borders of the greatest nation to have ever existed. You wish to whine and mutter about what the "US'ers" should and should not do? - Were three thousand of your citizens murdered? - Is your country a constant target from crazed fanatics who would like nothing more than to see your cities razed to the ground, your familes dishonored and murdered? - Was your very way of life threatened before your soldiers were sent off to defend what you know and love? I say you do not have the right. One more word for you students of social studies: France, Germany, Belgium and even you backward Socialist Canadians: You don't like America? Fine. You don't wish millions worth of aid every year and the solid protection of the globe's mightiest military? Fine. The next time some global bully or tyrant from the very gates of hell decides to claim your land for his own, don't bother to call. _______________ Viking in training. Ray: Good evening... as a duly appointed representative of the city, county and state of New York, I order you to cease any and all supernatural activity and return forthwith to your place or origin, or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension. Venkman: That oughta do it. Thanks very much, Ray. |
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SirBizNatch - Student
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dammit stop badmouthing sum41!!! (covers ears) im not listening!
btw MoS, that simpsons episode was great! (goes off to yvan eht nioj) _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters This comment was edited by SirBizNatch on Feb 19 2003 10:19am. |
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Sniya - Student 
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i think there is definitely something bush knows that we dont.You dont no matter how sure of your rightness,not even bush would keep up a campain that thousands of people all over the world (many of them your own people) went out in thier droves and protested against you,and many more who against you that didnt protest.You just dont do that,i know people characterise him as an idiot but hes not that much of an idiot.
My dad thinks its that saddam has agreeed to leave because of something that blairs said in his speach _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I feel I have to explain myself.
When I say 'the US' I mean the current governement in Washington, not the Americans. When I say, the US were wrong I mean the governement was wrong. I'm trying to avoid 'the Americans'when I mean some Americans that work for the governement to avoid generalisation. I think the confusion is caused by the US being plural. And about the pollution issue, I'm not saying the US (the country) is the only pollutioner, but they are causing the most pollution. I don't say that other countries don't cause pollution or that countries that cause pollution are wrong, but I think that any country should feel responsible about the planet and the future. I can therefore not understand why the US didn't cooperate with major environmental treaties. I think that's wrong. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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"Dead Kennedys"
Holiday in Cambodia...yeah... I usually try to avoid things that are clearly biased. Hell, even the media will tell us what to believe. Chat with people from the Middle East, read foreign newspapers, expand your horizons, yvaN eht noiJ. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Sinestro - Student 
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Hells yeah DJ, if you are gonna bring up punk, dont bring up that poser crap, you need something punk as f-@k. Anti-Flag "die for your government" and "new kind of army" should school you good. I bet you never learned about Vieques, Puerto Rico, an island of the coast, in a history class. (The US navy and army as well as nato forces used it for a training area for more than 50 years. It has devastated the economy and population. It has 50% unemployment as well as 27% of the poplulation suffers from cancer. The nearest hospital is 18 miles away, on the mainland. I learned this from Anti-Flag.) _______________ Keep On Rocking In The Free World |
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