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Halendor - ex-Student  |
Because this was posted in another topic, and surrounded by posts not concerning the idea, I thought it would be nice to give Tido's idea it's own post. Here's his original comment: Quote: Oh yeah, almost forgot: had an idea..... Ok bare with me now...I want to propose an idea that I think will help the academy continue to improve and fullfill its mission: "Provide a friendly and respectful setting in which to learn the game" [Holocron 1.1.1]. An Advisitory Committee This committee is made up of students and has NO POWER whatsoever. At a set interval (say every 2 months) a committee of 10 (for example) students is formed and submit a report to the Council. This report describes the students current perspective of the academy, successes, failures/problems, solutions, and foresight. The Council has no responsibilty to carry out the suggestions of the report. They make the ultimate decisions around here and the report is only a mere suggestion. However it would be an incredible tool to the Council in that it saves time in evaluating the Academy and provides other perspectives. It is important that the committee not be seen as a source of power. People who are serving on the committee should see their role with a sense of 'service', not 'status'. Think of it like jury duty  . Orginization: Elected for a term (6 months?) by the Academy is a Committee Chairperson. He is the organizer of the committee and makes sure that the committee acomplishes it's goal. He is the only member of the committee that remains for more than one report. For each report he/she will select (10) members from a pool of active students. This ensures that fresh perspectives will be present in the report. This also removes the 'status' problem. Anyway thats all I've brainstormed so far...the details of what the reports will have I am still pondering. Gimme some feedback! I think it's a brilliant idea. The student body has grown so big that it has a hard time voicing it's opinion. This might improve that situation. This post was edited by Halendor on Apr 20 2004 03:53pm. |
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In light of doobie's recent comments, do you still think this is a good idea?
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Feh - profile numbers forever! _______________ Website This comment was edited by JamesF1 on Apr 20 2004 09:10pm. |
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Katan - Student 
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Choosing by ID#'s is just plain silly, imo. It should be done by who the students want to elect. If "Bob" should be elected, but 2 ppl from the 2000 ID# have already been picked, and he has an ID in the 200's? He doesnt get elected, even if he's deserving? Not right in my book. Also, what about re-election? Can someone who has done a good job be re-elected, or is it a 1 time thing? Just my thoughts. Also, take note, the JAC's dont know EVERY single student, so, what happens if they dont know a student? I dont think JAC's have the time to go hunting down students to get to down them So maybe have JAK+ or something elect, or JAT+ or something to the affect help the JAC's out. Thoughts? _______________ This comment was edited by Katan on Apr 20 2004 09:06pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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It could be done by profile numbers, but cmad is right. It isn't entirly fair. EVERYONE should be allowed to enter. It should be picked with votes as well. There should be a thread open for it. People will be able to post in it. Anyone posting will have entered. There should be a dead-line as well. This means that if someone not very active comes along and sees the thread, but closed. They are not going to enter if they are fairly inactive. After this thread, there should be anyone OTHER THAN the people who entered to be saying names of people they think should be selected, just like the knight recommendation thread except people who entered are unable to post themselfs or someone else. The people voted for the most should be the chosen people. How about that? This comment was edited by Setementor on Apr 20 2004 08:58pm. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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But numbers are honest and not biased What's your alternative then cmad? Edit: Then again, let's wait for the Council to approve until we discuss this any further  This comment was edited by Halendor on Apr 20 2004 08:28pm. |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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I disagree with Hal's categorization of the commity members. IMO they shouldn't be chosen according to their profile ID. Of course we can't choose everyone with ID 6000+. There's no need for numbers here _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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This seems like a good idea. I don't think a power-hungry leader would be an issue, since the commitee head would have no real power. They would basically just be collecting info and passing it on. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I think the nominations would be a great hassle and you're never sure if the person you nominate really wants to be nominated. My thoughts: Selection of the Chairman This is an important role, and I believe the Council should appoint someone who they think can handle the job. Selection of the committee-members 1. A topic is opened and everyone who wants to be in the committee is given a number and put on a list. They are sorted by the ranges I just posted. 2. A random-number-generator picks either 1 or 2 numbers (depending on the range) and those students are selected for the committee. I also think there should be a backup-list, for, say, two students of any range, who can replace someone in case they have a nasty encounter with Real Life. |
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Tido - Student 
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what I'm really waiting for here is some kind of approval from the JAC to put the wheels in motion for developing a model. Without their blessing this is all pointless. If we receive their approval we will being drafting the model for the committee of how it will work. We will then submit it to the JAC for their approval. If they like it then I guess it can go into affect  . |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Flash, you nitpicker I edited the numbers a bit: - 1 student with ID 0 - 999 - 1 student with ID 1000 - 1999 - 2 students with ID 2000 - 2999 - 2 students with ID 3000 - 3999 - 2 students with ID 4000 - 4999 - 1 student with ID 5000 - 5999 - 1 student with ID 6000 - 6999 According the About page, we have currently 7018 accounts registered. What I just posted excludes only 18 accounts, instead of 1018. I just picked the '2 students' ranges this way because it looks symmetrical. If we want to do it right we would have to find out how the 1282 active accounts are divided over the 7018 accounts, and give the ranges with the most active students the biggest representation. Is there a mathematics expert in the house? |
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Tido - Student
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ID#s will be at 8000 soon enough, so of course this would be accounted for. I think Halendor was just using the numbers as an example and didn't mean to exclude anyone. I like Bail's idea for 2 reasons: 1: yes we avoid a popularity contest 2: I think the JACs might turn more of an ear to someone they select for this function. I think it IS important that the Academy students make nominations. Despite the risk of a popularity contest I think the students have the right to take part in this selection process. Although I'd like to point out that a power-hungry person would really hate this role. It's important that the nominated persons for being the Chairperson really want the job because it will not be any fun. Organizing 10 people for meetings and collaborating ideas into a concise multipage document will take some work. It's important that when people are nominated that they really want to do this service to the academy and are willing to accept this responsibilty. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Hmm... Flash has a point. My ID is over 6000. Just because they are newest and may not get voted for doesn't mean that they won't at all get a view on their oppinion anyway. .... This comment was edited by Setementor on Apr 20 2004 07:42pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Good point, I think bail has made me totally agree with this idea if what he suggested happens. My thoughts are: If that chosen someone by the public is NOT chosen by a JAC, then the second most voted for person would get selected, right? Then if they aren't, it goes down and down the list until one sensible enough is chosen. I don't think that that would happen. But you know how some people vote without thinking. |
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Flash - Student 
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Quote: - 1 student with ID below 1000 - 2 students with ID below 2000 - 2 students with ID below 3000 - 2 students with ID below 4000 - 2 students with ID below 5000 - 1 student with ID below 6000 In that case, all of the students could have an ID below 1000. How come people above 6000 don't get to talk? Are they not important enough? |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I like this idea however, I do have certain doubts about this too. I completely agree with what Tido says, he's completely right. And I couldn't agree less. You said: 'Elected'. Does that mean we'll have to have elections? Elections are, as we know, just a popularity contest. Now the first man would say: 'let's skip the elections then' would we then handpick by purely luck? We can't do that either, since what if we pick a power-lusted individual? I think the easiest way to solve this is to just let the public nominate people, and the final word would lie with the JAC's, who then would decide on behaviour of the selected persons and come up with the commitee at the end. What are your thoughts on this? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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I love the idea  Great idea Tido Plz note that I'm not gonna be part of any committee whatsoever, cuz of some personal reasons. At least not yet. This advisory group IMO is what the JA lacked, from my newb experience _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I think it's a good idea, but we must carefully consider how it should be realised, and what the results can be. Does the council really need an advisory commitee, does the council want a commitee, or is it mainly to please the students, making them feel to have influence. I think we all agree that the committe mustn't have any powers, other than it's advisory one. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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yes, and for concerns, every JAK+ will have an open ear, but it cant be bad to have a view of the unbiased, new, random student. (well not so-random). _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Squibit - Student 
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? arn't the JAKs supposed to be basicly "good" and "responsible" students I thought that it was their duty to be our go between to the council and pass on all our views? _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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yup , sounds indeed good. *tries to get management reactions on this* _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Tido - Student
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Quote: Things the reports could address: - Classes (quality, quantity, variety) - Behaviour (includes the JAK+) - Activities (tournaments, prom, etc.) - Forums (quality) - Results of recent decisions sounds great! Quote: As for picking the students, I think you would get a clean 'cut' of the community if they would be picked based on profile ID. - 1 student with ID below 1000 - 2 students with ID below 2000 - 2 students with ID below 3000 - 2 students with ID below 4000 - 2 students with ID below 5000 - 1 student with ID below 6000 As the community continues to grow, these numbers would of course change. I like this 'bell-curve' idea too...basically we can use the current user# status to take standard deviations and from that the Chairperson can make his selections. The reason why I think we should give the Chairperson that much flexibility in his/her choosing is to make sure active members are in the committee. |
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Tido - Student 
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Ok, thought about it and I see your point: 4 or 6 months is a long time at the JA and RL plucks people away constantly. Maybe to long of a term puts us at risk of losing that person. With that in mind maybe the report should be monthly and the Chairperson stays on for 2. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Things the reports could address: - Classes (quality, quantity, variety) - Behaviour (includes the JAK+) - Activities (tournaments, prom, etc.) - Forums (quality) - Results of recent decisions As for picking the students, I think you would get a clean 'cut' of the community if they would be picked based on profile ID. - 1 student with ID below 1000 - 2 students with ID below 2000 - 2 students with ID below 3000 - 2 students with ID below 4000 - 2 students with ID below 5000 - 1 student with ID below 6000 As the community continues to grow, these numbers would of course change. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Every two months or one sounds good to me as well. Many people wouldn't remember six whole months clearly. But I like the idea, sounds good. Edit: 2 months sounds good. (I wounder if this actully will work.) This comment was edited by Setementor on Apr 20 2004 04:26pm. |
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Tido - Student
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Quote: althought I do think 6 months are kinda long. 1 or 2 is kinda enough Ok how about 4 months? Here is my reasoning: It's important that the report doesn't come out to often I think. Any changes that happen need to take their time to have their affect on the JA. If the Report came out, say, every month, I think it would be to nitpicky. I think every 2 months is a pretty good number. We need the Chairperson to stay on for more than 1 Report because the committee gets 10 new members for each report. They will need his/her experiance in how to do the whole process. And I think the next Chairperson should be chosen/voted from the pool of past committee members since they got to see firsthand how the processes was done. This way I think the whole evaluation can improve over time as they get better at it (as in any process). So maybe 4 months (2 reports)? |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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yup, I really like that idea. we had similiar approaches some times ago, maybe we can get it done this time keep comments coming. lets brainstorm ! althought I do think 6 months are kinda long. 1 or 2 is kinda enough _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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