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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I don't know if I can express myself as I want to, in this post, but I hope you'll get my main point. When I was made JAK, I was thinking 'yippee, now I can teach classes, teach people the way of CTF and guns, the only thing in this game I'm good at'. Of course I was only allowed to teach (and only had) JK2, but I was still hoping for the best. So, people didn't show up much, and I ended up cancelling 80% of my classes. Fine. In JK3 it'll go much better. The first, what, 4 months, I wasn't allowed to teach JK3. OK, so, when I finally was allowed, I immedeatly headed for the CTF and gunning fields. 'This is a relatively new game, surely people will find classes on CTF and gunning here interesting, after all, home is full much of the time, and duelling classes have a crapload of students enrolled', I thought. The first few classes went fine, people showed up. Then, something happened. Less and less people started coming, and now I'm at a point where just about only regular CTFers and gunners come (Jake, optime, Legolian, etc). When I look at my class, I see 1 enrolled. When I look at the class, which is placed at the same time as mine, on the same server, created after I made mine, which has 5 people, and then at the class an hour after the beginning of mine, still within my class time (my class being 1½ hour), which has 10-11 people enrolled (sorry to the two instructors, you know who you are, it's not to be after you, it's just to get an example), I wonder.... is it my class' subject people don't like? Is it the fact 8/10 here at the JA refuses to use guns, except if it's just to get rid of a corpse, but instead is limited to duelling, and social-FFAing? Don't tell me it's because of bad times. Please. As said, there are classes starting at the same time as mine, on same server, with loads of enrolled people. I have 2/3 of my classes during the weekend, and the other is at 21:00 GMT Thursday, which surely should mean most Americans will be able to attend too. And yes, they are... home's full, but classes has the regulars. 2-3 people. I can't force you to go to classes you don't want to, nor am I interested in you feeling sorry for poor little Jacen, who has no students. What I want you to do, is think about why nearly all of you don't want to go to gun classes. Nearly everyone here at the JA duels. Even those who are too good to learn anything more about sabers, don't care to actually try and become good at a new field, instead of doing the same old stuff. Too bad the JK3 community is dead already. Nothing's out there, but social FFAs, with the same old tea parties. Heh, trust me, if this was the earlier days of JK2, duelling wouldn't have carried people very far, as the saber is nothing in an ffa or ctf match... Now, before you go accusing me of hypocricy, because I always use guns and such, let me remind you of this: in JK2 I was a dueller from I joined the JA, 'till October 2003, I did nothing but duel (not counting the instagib). No regular guns. And just recently I've been getting into saber duelling, as quite frankly, I find it hard to find anything but CTF in this game entertaining. I'm now talking about the actual game, not the people, because the people is the only real fun factor for me nowadays. Thank you for reading, and please note that I'm not writing this to pick on you duellers, no matter how much it might seem like that. I'm writing this to make the Academy a TRUE Academy, and not a duelling school. Please post your feedback. This post was edited by Jacen Aratan on May 02 2004 08:47pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Amen to that, Hood. |
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HooDWinkeR - Ex-Student 
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I think that's only true when you play with the less experienced players, because they're missing the point that CTF is all about team play. I'll give my little speech now, maybe for the second time... who knows. OK, to start off, my competitive roots go right back to JK1 in this series. I can assure you that the whole, "this is starwars so more people play it because they like the lightsabers" dealie is not true in the least. Yes, in JK1 I played and enjoyed sabers, the JK1 saber system was not intricate or complicated, it just required timing. I, personally, enjoy the JK series of games because they're high-flying jedi action, not because I can duel just like the movies! In JK1/MotS, I played it all, and competed internationally in it all, and was ranked fairly highly. JK2 came around, and I again picked it up and thouroughly enjoyed every aspect of the game, from duel all the way to CTF, competing in Microsoft Tournaments and various Ladder Leages, and my gaming experience would have continued in that game if not for the fact that JK3 came out, and after Raven butchered a few patches, a lot of the competition quit. Now it's time for JK3, again, I play it all and don't hesitate to try out the new gametypes, I can honestly say that siege is my least favourite because it is incredibly slow, that one gametype has changed physics... makes the whole game odd, slow paced like so many other FPSs out there. You will enjoy this game a lot more if you play every part of it, and once you know all the tricks and skills, they're nothing to perform, as easy as riding a bike. When people first witness a fast-paced professional CTF match, you will see exactly what I mean. I'm sure many of you, at this point, if you were to simply gaze upon a five minute segment of a demo from an early JK3 competition match... say from the ESL, HFD versus Helix, or some such match-up like that, you would be struck into complete awe and admiration for the level at which these people compete. Fluid and effortless movements, precise shots and the ability to anticipate where their opponent will move to, coordination between players, and very fast-paced, I doubt you would believe it was the same game. For sure there are others of you who have tasted a small portion of the fruits of competitive gameplay, and wish to see how far down the roots of those trees hosting the fruits really go, well, my friends, the Jedi Academy has just the classes you need to get the most out of your game. By competitive I don't mean like, buying the sickest gaming system (myself, I run a P3 600mhz, 128MB ram, 32mb Riva TNT2 video card, 20GB HD), attending LANs (I've never been to a LAN in my life) or even getting involved in actual competitive ladders; I am simply referring to the competitive, head-to-head team gametypes, that are extremely faced-paced and fun. Yes, you too can experience it all and get the most out of your game, simply attend the CTF/Guns classes, and you'll be on your way to becoming a true Jedi Knight. Remember, we're all here to have fun, and can you really tell me you're perfectly happy when you have not even glimpsed at the thicker, healthier, greener grass on the other side of the Academy? That's what I thought. |
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Padawan - Student |
I love CTF and I love siege, and I love to use guns in general. I would enroll in a class too, but I don't think I have much to learn. I can use each gun effectively, and I know ranges and how long to charge up, how high I should use an angle. Not that I think about it or measure, it's just instinct. What I do need to learn is how to use my sabre. I'm proficient, but no where near as good as what I am with gun. Quote: In JK CTF...it's different. Everyone wants to be a hero. The concept of team seems more like a suggestion. Everyone is doing their own thing, no one is communicating. It sucks. JK players are too focused on the success of the individual than the success of the team...this is why JK CTF is kinda boring to me. Ahhh! So true! When I play, I do try to get people organised, and, bossy as it seems, tell them what to do if someone needs support or if someone has the flag. The problem is, noone likes the idea of doing something they don't want to do, or being told what to do. Countless times I've had the flag, waiting for my teams' to return, and have stood watching 5 or 6 people standing around the base as if they all had something to defend. But if you then tell them to go do this or help so-and-so with that or stand over there where they can defend better, they tell you where to go. This comment was edited by Padawan on May 05 2004 05:05pm. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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Haomaru this has nothing to do with doing things "the easy way". but not all are die-hard gamers that really want to be perfect at a game, or the very utmost best. a lot of people play for fun. I understand that this is most likely an age issue, but be careful with claims like that. If you wanna do guns, fine. But dont put those people down who do not want to. For they dont put you down for liking them. - FiZZ of Belouve _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Haohmaru - Ex-Student 
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In response to FiZZ: In other words, everybody wants to do things the easy way. /me is a guns supporter!  _______________ Brother to Jarvo and Furious Padawan learner of Furious |
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o2b - Student 
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Normally I would have said something but it was the first class I'd been to and I'd just woken up (ur class was at 6am local lol) so I decided to give it the benefit of the doubt.  And it sucks being in Australia cause I've found that most of the CTF servers are either empty or botmania or low ping only or have a map that I cant autodownload lol |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: I went to Jacen's CTF of doom class, and frankly I was a little disappointed. Jace did a good job going through the key points on the Coruscant Streets map, and then we had a CTF match. I got very disheartened real quick after the total pwning we got, but what really upset me is that I hadn't learned a thing lol. At least with dueling I learn each time why I won or lost...not so with CTF. You must tell me if you don't know what the hell is going on, though... ask for help, or hints, so I can give them.  Normally I'd stay in spectator to give hints, but unfortunately, I had to join, to even teams somewhat. It's true, you can't really do like a saber class, where they give you some combos you can practice.... the best practice in CTF is playing matches. :/ |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Jacen, I understand it must be extremely frustrating to see that your enthusiasm is met by so little feedback and cooperation. I always tried to attend some of your classes but I don't have that much time so I have to make priorities. And at the moment that is duelling. I don't enjoy guns, and the fps in the gunyard in the map makes it impossible for me to use them properly. I guess the gunpart in jk3 isn't very popular because it's not that good, especially compared to other games. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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Guys, also keep in mind that CTF is a lot tougher, coz you gotta know the map and all neat hints and hiding places and whatnot by heart, and be really good with force speed+strafejump usage etc etc, I really think most ppl do not care that much. I remember it from my old UT days, I really enjoyed CTF when I played with my mates, who equally sucked. but as soon as I played on the web and totally got humilated i began to dislike it. Of course I dont expect you guys to get rid of your skill for classes, but, I just want to remind you of that. Its a lot easier if u just hop on a server and duel. u need zero knowledge of the map, zero forces, zero guns and stuff, just your saber(s) and here you go.  _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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i get what your saying man,im here and i understand _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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o2b - Student 
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well...it'd actually help if some people actually went on the siege server!! I went to Jacen's CTF of doom class, and frankly I was a little disappointed. Jace did a good job going through the key points on the Coruscant Streets map, and then we had a CTF match. I got very disheartened real quick after the total pwning we got, but what really upset me is that I hadn't learned a thing lol. At least with dueling I learn each time why I won or lost...not so with CTF. eh, hope that helps |
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n00b - Student 
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Quote: But, n00b, the siege server already HAS a CTF function. It only just recently got up. Yep, still stuck on Destroyer, just checked. Talk Talk Talk, let's see some siege/ctf on the siege server already! Hehe.  _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Heh and people always had a go at me for bashing the duelers and saying this has become a dueling academy, not a Jedi Knight academy. Jacen has seen the light On the subject of your classes, CTF and gamemodes of a competitive type are just that, competitive. In dueling its easy to get better, you just learn what works well and try to improve your timing. With CTF, it takes alot of practice, knowledge and skill to get good. Once you are good, people who havn't practiced are no match at all. In dueling everyone has sort of an equal chance. Obviously the better people win more, but everyone feels as though they are about equal, you can come and duel anyone and feel about evenly matched. Ok now I'm blabbering, I'm trying to watch TV whilst I'm posting. Cutting it short, people don't like CTF Jacen, its too 'l337' As a great man once said (me )"You can lose in dueling and still feel like a winner, if you lose in CTF, you are 'actually' a LOSER!!" _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
This comment was edited by Jake Kainite on May 03 2004 11:55pm. |
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PlooKoon - Student 
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ya i know what u mean aratan, lol i just realised i'm like that, but i'm sorta getting better at saber then i'll move onto gametypes and guns i've got saber handled just practise realy, so i'm startin on gametypes and guns now so i'll be there m8 _______________ Moo |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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Aratan; you screwed up buddy. You said people only use guns to clean up corpses. I use guns to turn you into a corpse. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Kha, I can understand that. But as said, that's kinda part of the problem... many of the guys who go to FFA/CTF classes, are regulars, who know how to play it, because they love it. If there's support for it, though, I'll make a true newbie class for the things. And don't worry, I'll make sure to kick out the leets. And Xan.... I know there are other games out there, with guns. Better guns, perhaps. But the fact is, every game out there is slow as hell compared to Quake III, JK2, and JK3. I like being able to jump 10 m up, snipe, and run on. I like being able to strafejump. I like being able to do midairs. You just don't get that in many games. This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on May 03 2004 12:35pm. |
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Khâ D'Kana - Student 
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What I could add is that I attended two CTF classes at the academy. They went great So on, why do I have not continued to go to them. The main reason is that when I play a jedi game I wanna reproduce duel like Obi-Wan's vs Darth Vader. So I really wish to become skilled in duelling. As everyone, I've a RL. So I've decided to give priority to saber classes. An other reason, that maybe retained me to recome in CTF classes is about the class itself. The classes were cool, I had fun in them. The problem is that I’m a complete beginner with guns. I never played online games like Quake, UT, and others. So on, I don’t know how to play in team, I don’t know how to move, I don’t know when to attack and when to defend. And in this classes it looked like everyone was already at least intermediate (in a beginner class). So I think a real newbies class will maybe fill this gap. Jacen a great Thanks for you. It's difficult to promote guns to ppl that went there to duel. Cheer up ! Sorry if my english looks like rude. It’s not easy for me to argue with it  My 2 centimes ! -Khâ D’Kana _______________ In light of day, nor dark of night, no evil shall escape our sight. Proud member of the D'Kana family This comment was edited by Khâ D'Kana on May 03 2004 11:04am. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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I agree xAn, I played JKII mainly for the SW feeling, and for the fact I could go Luke like on Stormtroopers and other Dark Jedi. But still I don't mind shooting a Trooper or a opponent with a disruptor or Flechette |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
Well basically, enforcing the points of a few people before me, the reason i even played jk2 or jka, was because of the sabers. Sabers are what make the jk games, jk. If you took the sabers out of it, its just a regular FPS, but crappier. To be honest, jk2 was the only game i've ever loved so much. Jka is just a game that has two new sabers, the same sabering system (only a bit crappier), and overall, just....crap. If people wanted to play ctf or something relating to guns so much, i can assure you, jka wouldn't be at the top of their list. There are plenty of games like UT2k4, CS, Tac Opps and so many more out there for those kinda things. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying guns and ctf and all that shouldn't be played. Heck, i had a tonne of fun in Jedi Master mode in DB's alternate game mode classes in jk2. But to me, the only reason i ever played these games was for the sabers and the force, to be able to actually fight another being somewhere, with a lightsaber. It was addictive, to keep getting better and better at duelling, to learn every stance completely, to know how to beat even the toughest of opponents. But still, if you really wanna promote CTF and guns around here, go for it, i'm just showing you the way i see the jk games. Good luck with it all, Jace. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
Lag Brother to Acey Spadey 
Jools is my best friend.
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Wolfwood - Student 
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I think jacen is 100 percent right. Interest in guns has to be developed. When I first joined I had not played with guns ever. All I did was sabering. But eventually we started having some Gun fights and when I joined the Aurochs I had to work with guns even more. It feels good if you manage to beat someone in a duel but taking aim through the scope of your disruptor and then vaporizing someone feels just as good, I love guns now It is just something you have to learn to like. I strongly encourage everyone to start taking some gun classes because Guns rule!! _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ This comment was edited by Wolfwood on May 03 2004 09:43am. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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IF you can find a FFA server or TFFA server that isn't just a 65+ yeared tea party. It will be a Kata Fest, because that's all I see on Public FFA servers. I think puttin the Siege Server or Projects server on CTF for a while would help aswell. People can try out the new maps if they haven't already, or can just practise with guns or movement. When we got the JKII CTF Server, I remember it being quiet popular. Because it's fun to play with other Academy Members which you know, then with complete strangers on Pubs. Atleast, for some people. And I like Guns more then I do the Saber aswell. If I duel more then 5 times, i've had enough for one week. Guns are cooler, you have like 10 completely different guns, and IMO those are awesome for some Team Modes like indeed CTF. Anyway, i'll stop talking now. |
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FaDed - Student 
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alrite.. gonna throw in my 2 pfennig. when i came to the academy last year i was a dueler. i absolutely refused to touch guns. that's all i did for a long time. duel duel duel and duel some more. after that was finished, i'd duel and then duel again. just like me saying duel over and over again, it got hella boring. i just recently took up gunning. i started playing CTF seriously about a month and a half ago. now let me tell you, i have had more fun and have met more new people in that amount of time than i ever did the entire time i was dueling. i play CTF because i like the idea of teamwork and strategy. but mainly because it encorporates every aspect of the game and what this game engine can do. going along with what skyler said, if you would to be good at CTF you have to be good at gunning, movement, force use, and even sabers. now granted, CTF is not your typical "Jedi" enviroment where people bow and say Good Fight! after they kill someone. but who cares?! i mean honestly, this is a friggin' game. i payed like $50 for this game and chances are most of you did to. so why not get your money's worth and play the entire game instead of wasting your money with a glitchy saber system. if you're really looking for a good time with your friends, start up a CTF server, start up a Skype conference, and then start ripping each other apart all the while laughing your head off at the many hilarious ways you can kill each other. and btw.. i've been try to get the siege server turned into a CTF server for some time now. GUNS RULE!!! SABERS DROOL!!! VIVA LA ACADEMIA!!! |
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Nero - Student 
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I find CTF an atractive game mode, but I only like to play it witha team that's basicly always the same (you get adapted to each other, etc. etc. bla bla bla). I've got UT2k4 and those guns compared to the jk3 guns is just an amazingly great difference. I just do not like the jk3 guns and if I want to play with gunnies I'll play ut. I also don't like FFA and TFFA because it's just like an ADHD trip most of the time. Wow, I do like siege, but because there are only a few maps it gets quite boring too and it is extremely important you're in a cool team (something that seems imposible on publics )So my option is dueling and wow I tottaly like the tea dueling thing!!! Just having conversations talk about the game and be a frikkin'n00b with noone caring .I'm not saying you should stop doing those classes but I just do not find guns or CTF that interesting. _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? This comment was edited by Nero on May 03 2004 07:49am. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
But, n00b, the siege server already HAS a CTF function. It only just recently got up. You say we don't have anywhere in the JA to actually play CTF, but, there are still pubs for CTF. Admtitted, they suck, but if you like CTF, try stopping by Chop Shop.... you get a good game.... once in a while.. And just for anyone wondering why one would use guns in this game, when it's Star Wars.... this is build on the Quake engine. That means a crapload of speed in gameplay. If I go to play CoD, CS, anything else, it's simply too slow. Only the Quake engine is fast enough for me, the rest of them are slow as hell. |
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Gantoris - Ex-Student 
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Well, i know i can speak for a number of members here at the JA. Alot more people that you'd expect are on 56k modems. Usually the lag isnt that bad and you can go about your business just fine but some days there is a huge lag. Its just too hard for people stuck in this lag to be using guns so they stick to dueling (which isnt that bad with a lag) or socializing. That may be a reason for a reduced number of enrolled students in your classes. We are all on alot of different time zones as well so it may be hard to work a certain class in at a certain time. Thats my spleel. peace. _______________ "You believe in Failure...which is why you Fail! It is a never-ending cycle." |
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