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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I don't know if I can express myself as I want to, in this post, but I hope you'll get my main point. When I was made JAK, I was thinking 'yippee, now I can teach classes, teach people the way of CTF and guns, the only thing in this game I'm good at'. Of course I was only allowed to teach (and only had) JK2, but I was still hoping for the best. So, people didn't show up much, and I ended up cancelling 80% of my classes. Fine. In JK3 it'll go much better. The first, what, 4 months, I wasn't allowed to teach JK3. OK, so, when I finally was allowed, I immedeatly headed for the CTF and gunning fields. 'This is a relatively new game, surely people will find classes on CTF and gunning here interesting, after all, home is full much of the time, and duelling classes have a crapload of students enrolled', I thought. The first few classes went fine, people showed up. Then, something happened. Less and less people started coming, and now I'm at a point where just about only regular CTFers and gunners come (Jake, optime, Legolian, etc). When I look at my class, I see 1 enrolled. When I look at the class, which is placed at the same time as mine, on the same server, created after I made mine, which has 5 people, and then at the class an hour after the beginning of mine, still within my class time (my class being 1½ hour), which has 10-11 people enrolled (sorry to the two instructors, you know who you are, it's not to be after you, it's just to get an example), I wonder.... is it my class' subject people don't like? Is it the fact 8/10 here at the JA refuses to use guns, except if it's just to get rid of a corpse, but instead is limited to duelling, and social-FFAing? Don't tell me it's because of bad times. Please. As said, there are classes starting at the same time as mine, on same server, with loads of enrolled people. I have 2/3 of my classes during the weekend, and the other is at 21:00 GMT Thursday, which surely should mean most Americans will be able to attend too. And yes, they are... home's full, but classes has the regulars. 2-3 people. I can't force you to go to classes you don't want to, nor am I interested in you feeling sorry for poor little Jacen, who has no students. What I want you to do, is think about why nearly all of you don't want to go to gun classes. Nearly everyone here at the JA duels. Even those who are too good to learn anything more about sabers, don't care to actually try and become good at a new field, instead of doing the same old stuff. Too bad the JK3 community is dead already. Nothing's out there, but social FFAs, with the same old tea parties. Heh, trust me, if this was the earlier days of JK2, duelling wouldn't have carried people very far, as the saber is nothing in an ffa or ctf match... Now, before you go accusing me of hypocricy, because I always use guns and such, let me remind you of this: in JK2 I was a dueller from I joined the JA, 'till October 2003, I did nothing but duel (not counting the instagib). No regular guns. And just recently I've been getting into saber duelling, as quite frankly, I find it hard to find anything but CTF in this game entertaining. I'm now talking about the actual game, not the people, because the people is the only real fun factor for me nowadays. Thank you for reading, and please note that I'm not writing this to pick on you duellers, no matter how much it might seem like that. I'm writing this to make the Academy a TRUE Academy, and not a duelling school. Please post your feedback. This post was edited by Jacen Aratan on May 02 2004 08:47pm. |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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Yeah, that does kinda suck, you all know me, not to big of a fan of guns. I guess part of it is I really couldn't use guns till I got rid of my 56k, so I aint to used to it, but mostly for me I guess it is when I think of grabin a gun I don't really think of JA, I think of halo, or unreal, or armored core, or red faction, or sof2. To be perfectly honest I don't think the gunplay in JA is that great, I like the dueling alot better, sure the guns are fun everyonce in a while, but most of the time I would rather duel of fight FF with aphex. Sry I can't be part of the solution. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Tido - Student 
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I remember way back when I had quake 1 there was a mod for it called TeamFortress. TF was CTF on steroids for the day, and I loved it. TF was all about the team. Even if you were just joining some pub server with people you've never seen before, you were a part of that team now. You had a job to do. People took offensive or defensive roles, communicated, and combined their efforts to win. Sometimes there were heros, but nothing could beat a strong team. In JK CTF...it's different. Everyone wants to be a hero. The concept of team seems more like a suggestion. Everyone is doing their own thing, no one is communicating. It sucks. JK players are too focused on the success of the individual than the success of the team...this is why JK CTF is kinda boring to me. |
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n00b - Student 
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Quote: Suggestion: Maybe change the Seige server to a Seige/CTF server, maybe go through the 4 Seige maps and then do 3 or 4 CTF maps. OMG, that would freakin' rock!!! _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Katan - Student 
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I have to agree with Aratan, many times I come outside to the fortress and shoot around, but, always the same people come to play with me... That just gets boring. I'd like to make a public apology to Aratan (I'm one of those instructor's listed above). I (accidentally) put a class right after your CTF class, thinking yours was only 1 hour (made sense, I mean, the site should have told me I was overlapping yours.. but it didnt). So, sorry about that dude. Btw, I've been trying to organize a Gun Tourney for awhile now.. _______________ |
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Proximo - Student 
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I always enjoyed CTF. In JK2 played it a lot. But in JKJA i can't seem to find a decent server to play on so I stopped. Every server I see has either no people in it or a bunch of bots. I'd be happy to attend one of your classes but my schedule is so hectic that I don't know exactly when I will be able to play. Quote: We might have above average duellers for the most part, but not FFAers. Nor CTFers. If people don't like CTF or guns then I don't see why they would go to a class just so they could say they're good at it. Like I said, I like CTF and I think people should give it a chance, but I wouldn't want people doing something that they didn't want to just to be a better player. It's a game, people should just do what is fun for them. Suggestion: Maybe change the Seige server to a Seige/CTF server, maybe go through the 4 Seige maps and then do 3 or 4 CTF maps. _______________ Gladiators, I salute you. This comment was edited by Proximo on May 03 2004 12:59am. |
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n00b - Student 
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Quote: what exactly do you guys want to happen ? come up with constructive suggestions instead of joining in displeasure. Suggestion 1) Rotate the maps again on the Siege server. Suggestion 2) Set up a guns server. Suggestion 3) Announce gun events. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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what exactly do you guys want to happen ? come up with constructive suggestions instead of joining in displeasure. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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n00b - Student
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How are we supposed to play CTF here at the JA? Where's the CTF server? Siege is worse, we have the server, but its been stuck on destroyer for how long now? I love guns as much as the saber, but I think most of the CTF gatherings are happening behind the scenes, amongst the JAK+ or something on whatever private server it is being played on. Why go to a class on how to play CTF, if you can't do more than attend a class? One day, I joined the main JA server and it was in CTF mode. Did I stay and play? Hell yeah! In fact there were lots of us there. Its only happened once that I can remember in the last couple of months. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: I'm with Aratan on this one, lots of people are retiring (like skyler said) because they've lost interest in the game, ok sure, maybe you're not good at one part of the game, but there's nothing wrong with having a little good old fashion fun  also, it's a great way to make new friends  but yeah, if you're into sabers and just 100% love it and not bored with it, then stick to it! exploring things is a good way to find something you love. viva la acadamia!!! : Thanks I couldn't have said it better. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
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Quote: No, but imho, duelling-only is not good for the JA. It actually hurts it. That sounds like clan talk to me, If people have fun dueling let em duel, if they have fun with guns let them gun, Yet we are still a school, no? I'm perfectly aware of the fact I can't force anyone to do anything, nor am I trying to. But do we really want to completely shut off from the rest of the community, sitting on our own servers, duelling? |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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I read your entire post Jacen. I couldn't be bothered to read most of the replies though. I would just like to say this: I don't find ffa all that fun anymore. I get so bored I quit them after so many hours of getting a back ake. Then I began joining lots of CTF servers using sabers and guns and force. I beat most of the people there. Sometimes people came who were unbeatable because I suck with guns. I used to use guns before I got into sabers back in 2002. Still, I thought I knew everything. But I don't. My aim sucks and everything. I learned lots here. But I still want to learn about guns. But sometimes as you stated, classes overlap. Next time I'll comment on the class that overlaps yours. But I haven't been on ANY public servers since I joined the academy. Just these believe it or not. The only enjoyable thing I find about ffa is that people talk to you, you can duel and you can have fun with the admin's using admin cmd's. But I really like CTF. But I have lately been beaten to much by these professional gunnists. So I take any gun classes I can. But this is going to make me sign up for them more. I even took "Aim that funky gun, white boy.". I really needed to aim better... So I'll be in more of these classes if I can make them (Which I always can). |
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Fire - Student 
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I'm with Aratan on this one, lots of people are retiring (like skyler said) because they've lost interest in the game, ok sure, maybe you're not good at one part of the game, but there's nothing wrong with having a little good old fashion fun also, it's a great way to make new friends but yeah, if you're into sabers and just 100% love it and not bored with it, then stick to it! exploring things is a good way to find something you love. viva la acadamia!!! : Thanks |
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Squibit - Student 
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Quote: No, but imho, duelling-only is not good for the JA. It actually hurts it. That sounds like clan talk to me, If people have fun dueling let em duel, if they have fun with guns let them gun, I agree with daidalus, The reason this game is good to me at leat, is the sabers (and the force) Guns are in many other games and I think other games are better than JK for guns. In what way does dueling only hurt the JA ? JA is built on honor respect fun etc. It trains people in ANY aspect of the game (not ALL aspects of the game). Its great that gunning and CTF classes are avaliable. The academy has never tried to be the best at anything, (except maybe a great community) if we suck and are getting better it is all good. Quote: If someone truly wants to say "im good at this game", then they truly have to be good in every aspect of it I agree with this but for me It would be more than enough to be able to say "i'm good at dueling in this game". Just as Jacen is content being able to say "I am good at CTF and Guns in this game" I agree with all skylers points CTF is fun and as I said I would love to go to the clases. _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Daidalus[JAP] Fisto - Student ![Daidalus[JAP] Fisto](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=49&f_height=70&f_image=3482.jpg&f_odd=1){kind=small}
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did you think about why ppl play JKA? there are lots of alternatives where you can play with guns. i think you know them. But JKA is the only game where you have such a great saber-fighting system. in no other game can you fight with blades or what ever in that well designed and complex way. sure, its not perfect and there are much things which should be fixed, but its the still best. of course can you play ctf and stuff, but that is not the main reson why you get JKA. an my personal meening about guns: i just dont like them. i dont like the aiming and i feel sick after some time of 'gunning'. saberfights are much more intresting to me. ;-) greetings, daid _______________ Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote: fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"
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monkai - Student |
Jacen i would lub to join your classes but you make them at horrible times for me |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
No, but imho, duelling-only is not good for the JA. It actually hurts it. We might have above average duellers for the most part, but not FFAers. Nor CTFers. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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it just overlaps 30 minutes, Squibit. And, I dont force anyone to come to my class instead of anyone else's. Aratan I think you are taking this personal. That shouldnt be the case. Like I said, you cannot force ppls interest. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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skyler_ - Student 
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I agree with Aratan here. If someone truly wants to say "im good at this game", then they truly have to be good in every aspect of it. Nothing beats having a nice CTF battle with your friends. Very fun. A lot of people think that playing CTF requires no skill at all. Being a good CTF player requires you to be good at every aspect of the game (except maybe dueling), and also the teamwork factor comes into play. Many people have retired from the game due to the fact that they got bored. Well if the game for you is just going into a server to just duel duel duel, eventually thats going to happen. No good marriage lasts if you dont spice things up a lil bit. (Sorry Aratan) Even if you dont want to go to Aratan's classes, just give other gamemodes a chance. You might end up liking it, and you will certaintly become a better and smarter player thats ready for anything. My $0.02 |
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Squibit - Student
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The gunning class is simply a bad time for me so i cant go to it. The CTF class is the same time as Fizz's bootcamp which I almost always want to go to (Support the master and all that). Hmmm, why is your class the same time as fizz's ? who ever made thier class second planned that one bad  I would like to go to the classes if you could possibly fit them at different times ? _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Hell, I don't even like these guns. I don't even like this game. |
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Anakin Skywalker - Ex-Student 
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Yep, your right on what you said, but see things this way, Poeple play this game for fun and mainly because their Star Wars lovers, and theres nothing better as screw around with your lightsaber and kill guys with it. I can speak for myself, i don't like guns on this game, they suck imo, the way they work doesnt attract me, but it doesnt mean i don't like guns in the true meaning, i've played RTCW, RTCW: ET, Tactical Ops and so on, and i can say that i was good at it because the way they work are completely diferent from Jedi Academy. I don't mean that your classes sucks or that because you like guns you suck, i just dont like "these guns". And as you know, i enrolled once or twice for your classes, and i wanted to go just to see what they look like, but i didnt show up because i couldn't (RL stuff). Maybe another time. I hope you get my point. _______________ I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too! They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals! I HATE THEM! One day I will be the strongest Jedi ever, I will even know how to bring poeple back from death. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
And Jedi have been known to use guns before, in the expanded universe, Ken. As said, I'm not saying you should diss sabers... just remember, that this can't be a proper Academy if we only teach duelling.... 9/10 duellers will get crushed in an FFA or CTF match. Ozzcoz, heh, can't blame you if you don't go to the publics for CTF... this game's dead outside of the JA..... I only play on passworded servers for CTF, or if cool people are on Chop Suck, that too.. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Speaking from the viewpoint of someone who dislikes the use of guns: Quote: ...I'm writing this to make the Academy a TRUE Academy, and not a duelling school. I always place the emphasis on the word Jedi of our Jedi Academy, and I know more who do. That's because I'm in love with the lightsaber. No offense. |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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I think your probably right here Aratan. The problem i find though is that hardly anyone plays on CTF, so there's no incentive to play, cas you can't do it with only 1-2 people. Maybe i should just get off my butt and go to some more public servers:p _______________ A wizard did it. |
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FaDed - Student 
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amen. |
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