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Pepsi - ex-Student |
I have noticed lately that a lot of ppl get VERY upset if I don't want to bow before a fight, and now I've gotten inuquiries about this on irc from two members. One was sort of angry, and the other very understanding. I think I must explain WHY I don't bow before a duel and why I don't like it when ppl do it to me.
For the past 11 years I have been practicing Wing Chun IRL. At my level, that involves a great deal of fighting (sparring), and you bow to the opponent to show respect for his courage. This is alright, since if you lose a match you'll most likely get badly bruised (full force contact is not allowed, since that could kill you, protection or not) and probably bleed a bit as well. In a videogame such as JK2 you suffer no risk what so ever when entering a duel, and I personally get a bit offended when people bow to right and left for no (to me) valid reason. Therefore, I ask you not to be so upset if I simply nod when you engage me in a duel. This is personal, and about the lifestyle I have chosen. I don't like it being spat on, and that's what it feels like when I'm forced to bow. Thank you *nods* /Pepsi |
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ioshee - Student 
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Jake and Archangel, that is so true. That is why trainers don’t get picked after one showing of their great game skill. There is a good reason why it takes awhile to get there the normal way. While you’re working your way up the ladder, the teachers and council are watching you and getting to know you. I think that is why the community part of the Academy is so important too. I think one’s character has more to do with whether or not they get chosen to train than the skill, but the skill is important too, just as Pepsi has said. Finding the people who have great teaching ability and great game skill is hard. That is why I respect the council and trainers so much. Not an easy job indeed. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Archangel - Ex-Student 
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Jake, I agree with you. I wouldn't want a very skilled player who couldn't teach me anything as a trainer but, I think the JA is very good about not just choosing trainers on skill. I think they take a lot into account before even thinking of someone as a candidate for trainer. One main thing other than gaming ability that they look at is how that person behaves. They make sure that they respect everyone else. I also think that they look at weather or not this person has helped others whenever they have had a problem. This is easiest to see during knighthood now. When knights have padawans and the padawan shows great improvement I think that shows a lot more to the council than even personal ability. Thats my view of things anyway.
See ya around. _______________ A man asked me for a dollar, and I asked him what its for. He said "I have seen them". I said "ok its yours". |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Just saw this and thought I'd put in. Not all great players are great teachers. what would you rahter have, a semi skilled guy who is an amazing teacher, explains everything really well, takes time to show you what you've done wrong etc. Or, some uber l337 star whose renound over the whole community for their skill, but doesn't have a clue how to teach people stuff, how to talk to the people and make sure they understand, to put across points in an understandable way. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Ioshee, you are the Star of Hope in the desolate dark that is the skies. 
Thanks for telling me. I had no idea. /Pepsi |
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ioshee - Student
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Hey Pepsi, don't lose heart man. The following is taken from the FAQ under the “what are the rankings question”:
On all ranking, it is at the Council's discretion to promote, as they feel fit, according to a unanimous vote amongst the rest of the Council. That means if a Council member sees someone who he or she feels should be promoted, he can talk to the rest of the Council and promote the student without any of the criteria listed below. However this will only be used in rare cases. For the most part the criteria listed below will be the main avenues to promotion. I think it clearly states that anyone can get promoted to a new level as the council sees fit. The trials are just the USUAL way. I think if you hang out a bit, make some friends and you DO have the gun skillzzzz (I don't doubt you) that you could get a special trainer license. Be optimistic  _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Buzz:
What I've been trying to say in a million posts all over this site is that ppl who are good at using guns should teach guns. Ppl who are good at using sabers should teach sabers. I suck with sabers, so obviously I will never teach that, but I'm very good at playing with guns. The thing I want to change is the 'trials and raising' system, where you HAVE to be good with a saber in order to get to teach anything at all (guns included). This is something of a paradox, since most competent saberfighters ARE competent for the simple reason that they prefer sabers. This means they play less with guns than one that prefers guns over sabers. To make sure the academy has the best ppl as trainers, trials should be held in all different gametypes. Those who don't pass guns ctf trial can still be saber knights or whatever but won't get to teach guns ctf classes. I know this is very impopular since most (me included) think they know everything and that the reason they're not interested in one side of the game is because it's simple, easy, lacks the depth of the gametype they prefer or whatever. Nothing could be more wrong. It takes 20 minutes of skill not to get raped in a ctf game with good players. It takes an undetermined amount of time not to get raped in a duel. The only difference is what you're skilled at. As for saberskills I try my best to not get owned every time I appear at the server, and I get to hear more and more that I've improved a bit, even though I still lose most of my duels. Gun on! /Pepsi |
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Buzz - Student 
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You know Pepsi, he's not saying become a JAK tomorrow and start teaching classes. The majority of the knights and trainers have been here for quite some time. You seem to have a total disinterest and disdain for improving your saber skills. So if you don't want to learn and improve your saber fighting, why should anyone that plays using a saber want to get better using guns? You seem to have just as much to learn here as you claim you would be able to teach. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Ioshee:
If I could, I would, but my saber skills stink, so I think my chances of getting to teach is better if I simply 'guest lecture' and give demonstrations when I'm asked to. At least until I (if it's possible) can make the council change the ways trainers are appointed. If knighthood is a requirement, then I don't stand a chance. |
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ioshee - Student
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Hehe Pepsi that reminds me of one of the fist threads I ever started when I first joined. I asked if I could talk on the server or if I would be chat killed. I almost got laughed at (in a nice way) with responses telling me how laid back the servers were and to just jump on I was really surprised when I first made the discoveries of what the Academy is. I like it though.
You said in another post how a lazy academy could turn into nothing more than a gentleman's club. That's cool with me. But where are the dancers? J/K I do see your point about getting owned on public cft servers. More gun classes would be cool, just become a JAK and then you could teach them _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Buzz - Student 
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If you weren't meant to talk on the servers you wouldn't be able to chat. So obviously we can talk as much as we want. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Mohawk:
Ok. What I meant was that there is MORE to moving quickly than just knowing how to strafejump and glide, just as there is more to become a good dueler than knowing the red dfa move. Ioshee: Discussions about gameplay can be held just about anywhere, but the servers should be for PLAYING and not talking. Sorry if I was blurry about that (or took things in wrong order). /Pepsi |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Masterw/AMohawk[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=51&f_height=70&f_image=Masterwmohawk.jpg&f_odd=1)
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Pepsi, first of all, I like your name because we all now that it's THE soda....
moving on.... I didn't say that I could beat you in a hop race whatever, I didn't say I was better than you, I didn't even say I was good at it, I just said I know about it. I don't CARE about it, because I don't CARE about CTF, it's not my bag if you know what I mean. Sorry to say it, but I really didn't dislike you until this point.... you take EVERYTHING into offense even though YOU start it all. I say I know about strafe jumping and you arrogantly make it into a competition. I don't CARE about beating you because I don't think you're worth it. I care about improving my duelling skills, making friends here, and having something to distract me from all the stress that abounds in life... that's what this place is for. If you're better than everyone, you don't need the academy. btw, do you have any friends??  j/k _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] This comment was edited by Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] on Feb 20 2003 11:18am. |
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ioshee - Student
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LoL Then don’t answer Pepsi.
If you “like to keep community things to the forums, and gameplay things to the server”, why are you brining game play stuff to the forums? Don’t get me wrong I think game play stuff belongs on the forums. I just don’t know why you don’t. Why don’t you try to become a Teacher and then you could teach ctf and gun classes? _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Insaniac:
I know they (the thoughts) are (180 degrees), and some of the ppl here need be proven wrong about some misconceptions. I know this takes a bit of agitating and I know most ppl will hate me for pointing it out (Galileo was exiled for thinking the earth was not in the center of the universe), but I think it needs be done and staff members (well, only Sith that I've spoken to, actually, but nevertheless) thinks I'm doing something good, as he himself has noticed that the academy has turned out to be practically all about duelling and saber techniques. This is good for the saber only fellows and 'jedi purists' (his words), but for those who want to play with guns and other gametypes than saber only ffa it has brought bad consequenses as well. 1: There are few really good gunners in the academy. I know there are some, but most ppl simply don't stand a chance against a really good one. 2: There are even fewer good ctf guys in the academy. There are some, but since it's not so often played IN the academy, it's forlorn in the mist of times (oh! poetic ).
3: Top level ctf guns players are close to unique in the academy. For an academy with students that wants to learn this, it's not just a disgrace and a shame, it's also devastating for the students. Mohawk: About strafejumping: Good for you. I'd be happy to race you on any ctf map you can find. About maggots and honor: I think you misunderstood me there. I was merely stating (in a rather short tone, admitted) that I think ppl take honorifics to extreme, and at expense of learning how to play. It might just be me the perfectionist, but I like to keep community things to the forums, and gameplay things to the server. If you want to say anything else, please don't. I'm sure ppl will just get upset when I answer you. Cheers /Pepsi |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg)
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like i said i would probably have to edit that post, but instead i will respond here, I did not say i don't like you, I said that your manner and thoughts on things are about 180 degrees oppisite from what i think and believe, so it rubs me the wrong way, Indeed if i Disliked you i wouldn't ant in this way i would start doing insults and such or something. It is just sometimes your posts and such seem really abrasive and my own Psycological limitations make me get REAlly upset, because, Even if i agree with someone, I can't stand such abrasivness, your posts seem to come off sounding Like "this is the way you should act, any other way is wrong, so there"
this is something i myself need to overcome, but I also think you can work on how you word your posts, (not to say you are the only one, or that i don't need to work on it my self) and be just as understanding as we are trying to be with you. _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student
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mmmkay, about the strafejumping/gliding...
I read it, but you want to know why nobody replied? BECAUSE WE ALL ALREADY KNOW HOW. Hux teaches it in Beginners Movement Training.... It was a good post, it had clear instructions, and it may be helpful to someone who doesn't know about it. I almost replied and said "Nice post, but we all pretty much already know" but I figured that might be misconstrued as rude, so I didn't On to the next part, "Academy ppl think it's more important to be friendly and 'honorable' to one another than to become good at playing the game. Well... don't get good if you don't want to. There's always need for maggots at the bottom of every foodchain. " The reason for that??? Yeah, this is a COMMUNITY ok? No big deal, we want to learn, but why be alienated and hated by the people we see all the time?? Sorry if you thoght you were signing up for a military school or something. People would NOT want to come here, and they would NOT stay here if nobody cared about being disrespectful to the other "community members". I swear if everyone started giving you crap all day long and would kick you, sbare you, blah blah, you would get pissed and leave, DUH. _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Sorry you don't like me, insaniac, but you really should try to accept my beliefs. I do with all of yours. It's the actions I don't always like. As for the questions I post on this forum, I mean no offense. I'm simply curious and want to learn more about the academy (I'm not all that interested in the dueling strategies and moves and such, but communities are sort of intriguing to me).
Anyways.. you shouldn't take what I say to be some sort of truth, but you should try to look upon it with the forgiving eyes of a mother watching a child learning how to open doors by pressing the handle or turning the knob the wrong way. Eventually, I'll find out how to open that damned door, but it won't make me happier if ppl keep slamming it shut once I get it ajar. Cheers, and gun on! /Pepsi |
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Buzz - Student
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That's true there are some people I've seen on the server that I just want to tell them to shut up and get lost because of their action, attitudes, and inability to let things slide. I don't because I don't feel like coming off as more of a jerk than I already am but I want to tell them off so much, be it someone who is running around attacking for no reason or someone that gets in a huff because person A didn't bow to person B before they started fighting in the duel. In other words: EGO CHECK! _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Feb 19 2003 03:49pm. |
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NofrikinfuN - Retired 
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Personally, I think bowing in JKII not only gives a sign that your opponent is ready, but also shows good sportsmanship. The same is true in saying "Good Fight". These are voluntary things, yes, but they are also much appreciated.
Kinda tells the person you don't think you're above them... A problem more and more common here at the Academy. |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg&f_odd=1)
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ok, Pepsi i don't know why but you just REALLY rub me wrong, so I may have to edit this a few times to keep my cool...
let me put it this way: if we didn't have respect and manners and honor and all this stuff, we would take the guns into the temple, we would rocket someone for no reason we would be the public servers, if i didn't have all this other stuff, and instead devoted my time to learning to kick some one's @$$ then i would just target you whenever i see you on the servers and kill you for no reason other than that you rub me the wrong way with thte things you say and do/believe and to show you what it would be like withoutthe attidtude we have in this community, however since i am a honorable and decent and understanding chap, i rein in my temper i won't harrass you, I try to be understanding about your beliefs, I keep the guns out of the temple, If i have a problem with someone i will either talk to them or quietly challenge them to a duel. I have more but i need to go... _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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Ohhh BOWING......I thought this post was on BOWLING....
Carry on ........ |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Amen Charon. You said it a lot nicer than I would have.
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Hehe. The simple point is that such a silly thing as bowing (that has nothing to do with gameplay) has taken up SO much time from so many ppl. It's a bit amazing actually.
And btw... the maggot thing was not meant as an insult. It's just something my biology teacher taught me when I was 13. Cheers /Pepsi |
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Charon - Ex-Student 
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You'll be happy to note, your post wasn't unread. No replies, fine. I however did read it, like I do just about everything else here, can't say there was much reason for me to reply, so I didn't.
As a second note, I do hope that's the last veiled insult I see out of you, Pepsi. I've said it before, that kind of attitude is not wanted here, and if we're so far beneath you, why don't you move on? --Charon _______________ spirit's searing pain battlefield of broken glass fallen speak to me --Charon |
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Buzz - Student
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Well Pepsi I think you've just gone and insulted every single person here with that. How do you know if people read your post on strafing or not? I read your post on it. I found it very interesting but there was no need to post a comment on it. This stuff on bowing however is a discussion. And a discussion means people have opinions and most people want to voice there opinions on the subject. That's why this thread gets comments and your strafing one doesn't. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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