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Pepsi - ex-Student |
I have noticed lately that a lot of ppl get VERY upset if I don't want to bow before a fight, and now I've gotten inuquiries about this on irc from two members. One was sort of angry, and the other very understanding. I think I must explain WHY I don't bow before a duel and why I don't like it when ppl do it to me.
For the past 11 years I have been practicing Wing Chun IRL. At my level, that involves a great deal of fighting (sparring), and you bow to the opponent to show respect for his courage. This is alright, since if you lose a match you'll most likely get badly bruised (full force contact is not allowed, since that could kill you, protection or not) and probably bleed a bit as well. In a videogame such as JK2 you suffer no risk what so ever when entering a duel, and I personally get a bit offended when people bow to right and left for no (to me) valid reason. Therefore, I ask you not to be so upset if I simply nod when you engage me in a duel. This is personal, and about the lifestyle I have chosen. I don't like it being spat on, and that's what it feels like when I'm forced to bow. Thank you *nods* /Pepsi |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Dear god. Now I know somethings wrong.
I put a post on this forum on how to move properly (strafejumping and gliding), and nobody read it or replied to it. I put a post about bowing and I get tons and tons of replies. Here's what I concluded: Academy ppl think it's more important to be friendly and 'honorable' to one another than to become good at playing the game. Well... don't get good if you don't want to. There's always need for maggots at the bottom of every foodchain. /Pepsi |
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phonque - Ex-Student |
i do not think that bowing is required, i personally would prefer a bow but wouldnt take offense to a nod. for me though when im not fighting (before a duel, during a break in the fight or after no matter the winner) i enjoy a bit of role playing, it adds something extra to the fun factor |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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hehe ioshee it's true: sared's bow is the funniest i've ever seen  but at least it shows that he is serious about it and truly respects his opponent.  _______________ make install -not war |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg&f_odd=1)
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well, I look at it this way:
I am a character that can die (the fact that i get brought back to life after i die doesn't matter) so we are putting ourselves at risk, which means bowing, though with all you have said i don't know why you don't just play on the Public servers. When i bow i am Simultaneusly: Opening myself to my opponent to show that i trust him enough that he will not attack me untill I am ready Humbling myself to my opponent Showing respect for my betters (higher ranked opponents or duelers that have beaten me in the past) showing to my oponent that i am ready to fight him (though i do this by igniting my saber usually and many other things that can't be put into words... i just get offened by people who don't bow, and because i do deep respectful bows i won't see somone's nod of the head (which i still consider somewhat rude because you aren't opening yourself up and don't trust me not to attack you untill you are ready, and a host of other things) _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Well...if you don't bow, that's cool with me, but other people might take offense. A nod of the head is pretty much the same as bowing. I just bow because of a habbit, really. |
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Aryion - Ex-Student 
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"even Pest bows before a saber duel"
When I bowed to him, he ydfaed my ass which really hurt  but I still beat him _______________ Anger is a condition in which the tongue works faster than the mind |
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Carve - Student 
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The bow for me is signal that you're ready for combat. Once you've bowed, saber on or off, I'm coming after you, and I expect the same. But a head nod could mean anything, it could be a mistake, etc. etc. And sometimes, waiting for someone to light their saber to attack is waiting too long
*cough ydfa* _______________ © |
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JProton - Ex-Student 
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I think the Bowing Idea is ok in JK2, this Croush is a little odd, I feel a nod of the head is respect enough for the other player, I mean after all its only a game, if you notice on public servers there are 2 types of player, there is the Unreal Tourne type player who goes hell for leather to kill no matter what, and there is the Jedi type player, and that jedi type is the bowing, non attacking when typing and when no weapon is drawn type player,
Ive only started to crouch bow since joining the JA I always did the nod yer head bow, but ppl in the community prefer to crouch bow.. I guess in the end it comes to personal preference, and isnt it just to say in a duel that your ready to get the saber out to fight... _______________ We have all had Dark Times. Its how we deal with it now that makes the kind of Jedi we are. |
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ioshee - Student 
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The funny thing is we are not even talking about bowing here. It's really called crouching in the game. So if you have a problem with “bowing” couldn’t you just crouch for your opponent? Unless crouching reminds you of something in your real life that is not worthy to be used in a video game.
But on the subject of bowing has anyone ever seen Sared bow before a duel? He cracks me up every time. He crouches, then looks all the way to the ceiling and slowly lowers his head all the way to the floor. hehe _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Damon C. Belouve - Student 
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In my very limited martial arts training I was taught that bowing is a sign of respect. You temporarily and critically expose yourself to your opponent because during the bow you take our eyes off of your opponent and they have a clear sight of your head. And you know if you have dueled NoFrikinFun that a head shot can end the battle quickly. Bows initially were deep and reverent, but through the years have become more hastened and routine. In many cases eye contact is not broken with opponent. There are theories, but no real answers, about this evolution. However, I believe that the emergence of groups such as the Ninja who developed out of the Samurai society of Japan had a bearing on this.
A Ninja, as described to me, was one who valued getting the job done more than honour. They used means and tactics that Samurai would have deemed dishonourable (please excuse my Canadian spelling). I certainly do not picture a Ninja bowing before assassinating someone. LOL. So the question may become are Jedi more like, Samurai or Ninja. But no, it is much simpler than that. The JA rules of engagement (written or implied--doesn’t matter) are that one bows at the start of the match. I have personally been attacked with a Saber twice, and kicked once, while bowing at the Academy, but I keep bowing anyway. I feel it is respectful. I believe my opponent is worthy of that. Dance, Nod, Walk around, emote, or laugh at the beginning of a duel with me. I will only know for sure you have respect for me if you bow. LOL. Well, even that is not certain, even Pest bows before a saber duel. But I think you guys understand my thoughts. Later, D.C. 
edit: remember this is only my OPINION and IMPRESSION of bowing. _______________ One of the original Belouves. Padawan to the Mighty Tido and brother to Dane and Delvin! Proud Member of the Killer D's AKA the 3 D's of Tidoness. This comment was edited by Damon C. Belouve on Feb 18 2003 01:12pm. |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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Ioshee you know your master will always beat you at long posts. That man can't type 2 words with out typing half the dictionary after them. Oh, and for those sensors you have... You’re just a sick little puppy. I've heard about them and I think you should take your doctors advice and stop putting them in certain places. You'll catch on fire one of these days. _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Masterw/AMohawk[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=51&f_height=70&f_image=Masterwmohawk.jpg&f_odd=1)
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Aight yeh yella bellied, wheat chewin, tobbaccie teethed scum scrub'r
Tammarraw at hiiiiiiiiiigghhh noooooon, well maybe not, how's abouts a when we see each others next? heh, had to put a little bit of that lame texas drama in there (boy if you don't bow when we duel I'mmunna.... j/k ) _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] This comment was edited by Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] on Feb 18 2003 10:58am. |
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ioshee - Student
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Pepsi, you said: "Who would have thought this would stir up such emotions? I think I break record after record on long posts and longer replies every day."
I don’t hate anyone, but it really chaps my hide when people say things like this. The fact that you even started this thread shows you have emotional attachment to the subject. As I stated earlier, I do not mind if you do not bow. I have fought several people who give me a nod before a duel. I do wish you would lighten up a bit and stop comparing this wonderful game to your life decisions. I respect your life decisions. I’m just saying you might enjoy yourself more if you have fun with the game and stop acting like you are Mr. Wisenhiemer. Just take a few bites of humble pie and call someone in the morning (not me please, I like to sleep in.) One more side note, you also said “In a videogame such as JK2 you suffer no risk what so ever when entering a duel, and I personally get a bit offended when people bow to right and left for no (to me) valid reason.” I would just like to say that you are not entirely correct in that statement. You see I have hooked my computer up to a very complex series of sensory receptors that allow me to “feel” the pain of a duel. Also, please excuse my naiveté, but could you tell me what the “IRL” at the end of Wing Chun means? It sounds really cool. And if you want to see how NOT long your posts are check out either of these threads: http://academy.jediknightii.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=421 or http://academy.jediknightii.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=350 _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Aryion - Ex-Student
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"as long as you can handle the whoopin i will deliver "
same for me _______________ Anger is a condition in which the tongue works faster than the mind |
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Fandango - Ex-Student |
Nodding has been a good replacement in jk2 for a while. It seemed like bowing for quite some time, but then it looked cocky doing it.
I don't care if you bow, nod, jump, spit, as long as you can handle the whoopin i will deliver  _______________ Can you protect me from yourself? This comment was edited by Fandango on Feb 18 2003 06:00am. |
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Arca - Student |
I understand in some ways pepsi, but, as when people bow to you you feel like you're being spat on, the same goes with some people that don't get a bow before a duel, that is why some people get angry about it. So if they do, just explain. And also people like to RP in the academy so they do bow to show respect to others, as you said you do IRL. So just think about it.. _______________ ~Arca Jeth~ |
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YubYub - Student 
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Tell ya what pepsi, if it makes you feel better, i will just nod if i ever face you. That cool? Like someone else said earlier, i tend to bow to say hello since i havent bound a key to /amwave. I also make it a point to bow if i come across someone of higher rank than my (like a JAT or JAK). I think that they deserve recognition and respect for having the skills to get that high. Or maybe i'm just subconsciously trying to suck to EVERYONE. Ho hum. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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pepsi have you ever been to japan? i sure hope not as you would probably have killed yourself!
i don't understand though... you said "you bow to the opponent to show respect for his courage". but then you said bowing feels like being spat on... one thing to say about that: okay.... and weren't you the guy who said he didn't like sabers and preferred guns? well, if so... i think you should drop JK2. _______________ make install -not war This comment was edited by Bubu on Feb 18 2003 05:30am. |
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Aron - Retired 
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I dont mind if someone does not bow, its their own choice.
However i dont compare this game to wing chun, aikido, jiu jitsu, tai-kwan-do, whatever. I like to have a bit of an RPG side in the game, which is why i bow. When i feel someone does not deserve that honour, i would nod my head. Its ok for everyone to be free of choice in the things they do in the game, as long as they wont start yelling "gg pwned n00b" after a duel
ps: nice ctf'ing yesterday |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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i'm gonna agree with my brother-in-crime ash. I've seen some long threads... _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Sigh... back to the drawing board, then..... |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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oh trust me, there have been far longer post before. this is about average when it comes to post length. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Who would have thought this would stir up such emotions? I think I break record after record on long posts and longer replies every day.
Anyways.... Mohawk, I hereby bring forth word of challenge to thee, most worthy opponent. Defeat me, or be smote. This, I Sir Pepsi, OverLord of the InterNet Flamewarriors, promise thee. May God have mercy on your soul, for I will not! LOL (I never thought it could be this much fun to post on forums)
Gun on! /Pepsi |
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Buzz - Student 
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The rules say to respect eachother however. You may not like how someone chooses to respect you either bowing or just nodding. Here I make my nod pretty big and hold it long enough so they can hopefully see it. Just be glad they show respect to you some way. They don't have to do anything. But no one should be getting mad because one person nods and another bows. What if someone suddenly decided to start prancing around like a ballerina to show respect? Would you do that then? What if it becomes what everyone else does?
I think everyone needs to realize there are many ways to show respect. I honestly think you show enough respect to give the challenge to the person and they accept rather than running at him immediately with a saber. Learn to accept other peoples way to show respect. That in itself is showing Respect. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Haemon - Ex-Student 
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If you don't feel like bowing then don't. This Academy was founded to teach JK2 and provide a decent learning enviroment, not to teach you how to be an "honorable" Jedi. If a guy bows just ignite your saber and he will get the idea.
Nowhere in the rules does it say to bow. Nowhere does it say not to attack while down. Nowhere does it say to tell your opponent after a duel "good fight". Its the truth. This comment was edited by Haemon on Feb 17 2003 09:28pm. |
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