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Pepsi - ex-Student |
I have noticed lately that a lot of ppl get VERY upset if I don't want to bow before a fight, and now I've gotten inuquiries about this on irc from two members. One was sort of angry, and the other very understanding. I think I must explain WHY I don't bow before a duel and why I don't like it when ppl do it to me.
For the past 11 years I have been practicing Wing Chun IRL. At my level, that involves a great deal of fighting (sparring), and you bow to the opponent to show respect for his courage. This is alright, since if you lose a match you'll most likely get badly bruised (full force contact is not allowed, since that could kill you, protection or not) and probably bleed a bit as well. In a videogame such as JK2 you suffer no risk what so ever when entering a duel, and I personally get a bit offended when people bow to right and left for no (to me) valid reason. Therefore, I ask you not to be so upset if I simply nod when you engage me in a duel. This is personal, and about the lifestyle I have chosen. I don't like it being spat on, and that's what it feels like when I'm forced to bow. Thank you *nods* /Pepsi |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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Ioshee you know your master will always beat you at long posts. That man can't type 2 words with out typing half the dictionary after them. Oh, and for those sensors you have... You’re just a sick little puppy. I've heard about them and I think you should take your doctors advice and stop putting them in certain places. You'll catch on fire one of these days. _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Masterw/AMohawk[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=51&f_height=70&f_image=Masterwmohawk.jpg&f_odd=1)
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Aight yeh yella bellied, wheat chewin, tobbaccie teethed scum scrub'r
Tammarraw at hiiiiiiiiiigghhh noooooon, well maybe not, how's abouts a when we see each others next? heh, had to put a little bit of that lame texas drama in there (boy if you don't bow when we duel I'mmunna.... j/k ) _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] This comment was edited by Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] on Feb 18 2003 10:58am. |
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ioshee - Student 
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Pepsi, you said: "Who would have thought this would stir up such emotions? I think I break record after record on long posts and longer replies every day."
I don’t hate anyone, but it really chaps my hide when people say things like this. The fact that you even started this thread shows you have emotional attachment to the subject. As I stated earlier, I do not mind if you do not bow. I have fought several people who give me a nod before a duel. I do wish you would lighten up a bit and stop comparing this wonderful game to your life decisions. I respect your life decisions. I’m just saying you might enjoy yourself more if you have fun with the game and stop acting like you are Mr. Wisenhiemer. Just take a few bites of humble pie and call someone in the morning (not me please, I like to sleep in.) One more side note, you also said “In a videogame such as JK2 you suffer no risk what so ever when entering a duel, and I personally get a bit offended when people bow to right and left for no (to me) valid reason.” I would just like to say that you are not entirely correct in that statement. You see I have hooked my computer up to a very complex series of sensory receptors that allow me to “feel” the pain of a duel. Also, please excuse my naiveté, but could you tell me what the “IRL” at the end of Wing Chun means? It sounds really cool. And if you want to see how NOT long your posts are check out either of these threads: http://academy.jediknightii.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=421 or http://academy.jediknightii.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=350 _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Aryion - Ex-Student 
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"as long as you can handle the whoopin i will deliver "
same for me _______________ Anger is a condition in which the tongue works faster than the mind |
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Fandango - Ex-Student |
Nodding has been a good replacement in jk2 for a while. It seemed like bowing for quite some time, but then it looked cocky doing it.
I don't care if you bow, nod, jump, spit, as long as you can handle the whoopin i will deliver  _______________ Can you protect me from yourself? This comment was edited by Fandango on Feb 18 2003 06:00am. |
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Arca - Student |
I understand in some ways pepsi, but, as when people bow to you you feel like you're being spat on, the same goes with some people that don't get a bow before a duel, that is why some people get angry about it. So if they do, just explain. And also people like to RP in the academy so they do bow to show respect to others, as you said you do IRL. So just think about it.. _______________ ~Arca Jeth~ |
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YubYub - Student 
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Tell ya what pepsi, if it makes you feel better, i will just nod if i ever face you. That cool? Like someone else said earlier, i tend to bow to say hello since i havent bound a key to /amwave. I also make it a point to bow if i come across someone of higher rank than my (like a JAT or JAK). I think that they deserve recognition and respect for having the skills to get that high. Or maybe i'm just subconsciously trying to suck to EVERYONE. Ho hum. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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pepsi have you ever been to japan? i sure hope not as you would probably have killed yourself!
i don't understand though... you said "you bow to the opponent to show respect for his courage". but then you said bowing feels like being spat on... one thing to say about that: okay.... and weren't you the guy who said he didn't like sabers and preferred guns? well, if so... i think you should drop JK2.  _______________ make install -not war This comment was edited by Bubu on Feb 18 2003 05:30am. |
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Aron - Retired 
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I dont mind if someone does not bow, its their own choice.
However i dont compare this game to wing chun, aikido, jiu jitsu, tai-kwan-do, whatever. I like to have a bit of an RPG side in the game, which is why i bow. When i feel someone does not deserve that honour, i would nod my head. Its ok for everyone to be free of choice in the things they do in the game, as long as they wont start yelling "gg pwned n00b" after a duel
ps: nice ctf'ing yesterday |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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i'm gonna agree with my brother-in-crime ash. I've seen some long threads... _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Sigh... back to the drawing board, then..... |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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oh trust me, there have been far longer post before. this is about average when it comes to post length. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Who would have thought this would stir up such emotions? I think I break record after record on long posts and longer replies every day.
Anyways.... Mohawk, I hereby bring forth word of challenge to thee, most worthy opponent. Defeat me, or be smote. This, I Sir Pepsi, OverLord of the InterNet Flamewarriors, promise thee. May God have mercy on your soul, for I will not! LOL (I never thought it could be this much fun to post on forums)
Gun on! /Pepsi |
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Buzz - Student 
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The rules say to respect eachother however. You may not like how someone chooses to respect you either bowing or just nodding. Here I make my nod pretty big and hold it long enough so they can hopefully see it. Just be glad they show respect to you some way. They don't have to do anything. But no one should be getting mad because one person nods and another bows. What if someone suddenly decided to start prancing around like a ballerina to show respect? Would you do that then? What if it becomes what everyone else does?
I think everyone needs to realize there are many ways to show respect. I honestly think you show enough respect to give the challenge to the person and they accept rather than running at him immediately with a saber. Learn to accept other peoples way to show respect. That in itself is showing Respect. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Haemon - Ex-Student 
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If you don't feel like bowing then don't. This Academy was founded to teach JK2 and provide a decent learning enviroment, not to teach you how to be an "honorable" Jedi. If a guy bows just ignite your saber and he will get the idea.
Nowhere in the rules does it say to bow. Nowhere does it say not to attack while down. Nowhere does it say to tell your opponent after a duel "good fight". Its the truth. This comment was edited by Haemon on Feb 17 2003 09:28pm. |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student
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oh btw, Culture Jamming is best used in a corrupt society.... seeing as this is a quite civilized place, where people respect each other mostly, or work out their problems with levels of maturity and argue on a coolheaded level....
culture jamming wouldn't get you very far So don't get any ideas kiddies! _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Masterw/AMohawk[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=51&f_height=70&f_image=Masterwmohawk.jpg)
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As far as the bowing thing, as I am somewhat an opinionated (maybe opinionhated is a better choice of wording) person, I think that is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. If a head nod is the same thing as a full bow and you'll head nod but not bow.... it's senseless. If a underhanded wave meant hello as well, and you chose not to do the regular wave because it for some reason offends you... you'd be well.... just plain whack. I see this as the same thing, ridiculous. Just as it is a custom in Wing Chun to bow before your opponent, it is cutomary here to do so, and if for some reason that offends you because of some other thing you are involved in, you are paranoid, and taking things way too seriously. This is a GAME, you don't have to be all spiritual about it. I know, whatever the head nod counts, but I would sure as heck expect to get flak if I only did a head nod when my opponent had humbled themselves before me. It would be utterly rude not to do the same.
Why is it you can tkae this so serious, yet in class you are constantly going "Can we start already??? blah blah blah. I wanna start now, blah blah blah" I have no problem with culture jamming, but if you're here just to spite people then I for one don't welcome you. I mean no offense by this, I simply want to convey my feelings and beliefs that have emerged about you over the last bit since you have joined the Academy. If any of the Council believe that this is offensive or inappropriate, let me know and I will remove it. No need to impose your admin powers, if you want it gone I can do it. btw, people are not trying to force you to bow, but it does come across as rude when they do so themselves and you just utterly refuse to return the friendly gesture. Also take into consideration that if you head nod, people most likely are not going to see it as they are kneeling before you, which could escalate further... _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] This comment was edited by Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] on Feb 17 2003 08:42pm. |
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ioshee - Student 
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That's coolio with me pepsi. However you must understand and tolerate others bowing to you. I come from a land where bowing is just the common form of greeting someone, so you will find me bowing to people all over the server, not just before a duel.
On a side note, you do realize this is a game right pepsi? j/k _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Bowing before duels is optional. If you don't like to bow.. I won't force ya. Head nods work. Pepsi: we know your heart's in the right place. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Ah. Matters have been clarified for me now at La Magras discipline class. A nod counts as a bow. Period. The nodding bow is ok, but the low bow is not for me. I'll use the nod, and that's it.
Cheers, and Gun on! /Pepsi |
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jackal - Student |
how about the fact that it IS a game and it doesnt hurt you to bow. This is a academy to teach you the ways of properly dueling if you wont obey their ways why are you here. |
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Buzz - Student
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I don't bow I nod to show respect. Mainly because on other places people aren't always going to give you the opportunity to bow and might decide to attack you immediately. You should understand though pepsi that by getting offended by people bowing to you in the game makes you no better than those that get offended by you simply nodding. There are different customs in every culture and the way I see things is if you want someone to respect what you do, you should respect what they do. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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I respect your decision not to bow Pepsi. However, I always say "When in Rome...". Since you're a guest here (just like most of us), why not just bow, it won't kill you. To me, the bow is just showing general respect for your opponent, whether they get bruised and bloody or not (I would hope not! ). I won't get offended if you don't bow to me b4 a duel, but other people might.
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Charon - Ex-Student 
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Bowing is not only to show respect for an opponents courage, but also his skill, position, personality, and friendship. It says, very literally, "I place myself beneath you." And as a martial artist myself, I'm rather happy to have it as large a part of a game community as it has become here. We don't fight for kill counts, we fight to test ourselves, our friends, and in some cases, our teachers.
Maybe I'm alone in this, maybe any other martial artist would be agaist it as well, but I think it's importiant, no matter the medium, to show respect to an opponent. Anyone here bow before or after a good game of pool? First time you meet somone? Or when they compliment you? Bow to your parents when they're right, or your children when they are, or even just when they come home with a star sticker? Emulation is the highest form of flattery, so it's said, and in many cases it is true. I consider this one of those cases. I also wonder truly, which came first, the bow as a sign of respect, or respecting an enemy or opponent. --Charon _______________ spirit's searing pain battlefield of broken glass fallen speak to me --Charon |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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I dont have a problem if you dont bow. Head nods are cool too. I personally bow to people out of a fight to say hi to someone since I dont have the wave emote set up. Plus I like to show respect to fellow players by bowing. You may not enjoy the bowing because of your lifestyle but not all of us have your lifestyle. I dont think people bow for no valid reason. I bow to people I know, people who have taken time out of their day to get on a game and have fun.
I really only bow before a fight because it helps signify the start of the match and I like to show a little respect to the guy thats going to kick my ass. Bowing is just part of the culture to the JA. Its just our way of saying "Hello friend, good to see you" _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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