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Pepsi - ex-Student |
I have noticed lately that a lot of ppl get VERY upset if I don't want to bow before a fight, and now I've gotten inuquiries about this on irc from two members. One was sort of angry, and the other very understanding. I think I must explain WHY I don't bow before a duel and why I don't like it when ppl do it to me.
For the past 11 years I have been practicing Wing Chun IRL. At my level, that involves a great deal of fighting (sparring), and you bow to the opponent to show respect for his courage. This is alright, since if you lose a match you'll most likely get badly bruised (full force contact is not allowed, since that could kill you, protection or not) and probably bleed a bit as well. In a videogame such as JK2 you suffer no risk what so ever when entering a duel, and I personally get a bit offended when people bow to right and left for no (to me) valid reason. Therefore, I ask you not to be so upset if I simply nod when you engage me in a duel. This is personal, and about the lifestyle I have chosen. I don't like it being spat on, and that's what it feels like when I'm forced to bow. Thank you *nods* /Pepsi |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Mohawk:
Ok. What I meant was that there is MORE to moving quickly than just knowing how to strafejump and glide, just as there is more to become a good dueler than knowing the red dfa move. Ioshee: Discussions about gameplay can be held just about anywhere, but the servers should be for PLAYING and not talking. Sorry if I was blurry about that (or took things in wrong order). /Pepsi |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Masterw/AMohawk[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=51&f_height=70&f_image=Masterwmohawk.jpg&f_odd=1)
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Pepsi, first of all, I like your name because we all now that it's THE soda....
moving on.... I didn't say that I could beat you in a hop race whatever, I didn't say I was better than you, I didn't even say I was good at it, I just said I know about it. I don't CARE about it, because I don't CARE about CTF, it's not my bag if you know what I mean. Sorry to say it, but I really didn't dislike you until this point.... you take EVERYTHING into offense even though YOU start it all. I say I know about strafe jumping and you arrogantly make it into a competition. I don't CARE about beating you because I don't think you're worth it. I care about improving my duelling skills, making friends here, and having something to distract me from all the stress that abounds in life... that's what this place is for. If you're better than everyone, you don't need the academy. btw, do you have any friends??  j/k  _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] This comment was edited by Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] on Feb 20 2003 11:18am. |
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ioshee - Student 
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LoL Then don’t answer Pepsi.
If you “like to keep community things to the forums, and gameplay things to the server”, why are you brining game play stuff to the forums? Don’t get me wrong I think game play stuff belongs on the forums. I just don’t know why you don’t. Why don’t you try to become a Teacher and then you could teach ctf and gun classes? _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Insaniac:
I know they (the thoughts) are (180 degrees), and some of the ppl here need be proven wrong about some misconceptions. I know this takes a bit of agitating and I know most ppl will hate me for pointing it out (Galileo was exiled for thinking the earth was not in the center of the universe), but I think it needs be done and staff members (well, only Sith that I've spoken to, actually, but nevertheless) thinks I'm doing something good, as he himself has noticed that the academy has turned out to be practically all about duelling and saber techniques. This is good for the saber only fellows and 'jedi purists' (his words), but for those who want to play with guns and other gametypes than saber only ffa it has brought bad consequenses as well. 1: There are few really good gunners in the academy. I know there are some, but most ppl simply don't stand a chance against a really good one. 2: There are even fewer good ctf guys in the academy. There are some, but since it's not so often played IN the academy, it's forlorn in the mist of times (oh! poetic ).
3: Top level ctf guns players are close to unique in the academy. For an academy with students that wants to learn this, it's not just a disgrace and a shame, it's also devastating for the students. Mohawk: About strafejumping: Good for you. I'd be happy to race you on any ctf map you can find. About maggots and honor: I think you misunderstood me there. I was merely stating (in a rather short tone, admitted) that I think ppl take honorifics to extreme, and at expense of learning how to play. It might just be me the perfectionist, but I like to keep community things to the forums, and gameplay things to the server. If you want to say anything else, please don't. I'm sure ppl will just get upset when I answer you. Cheers /Pepsi |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg)
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like i said i would probably have to edit that post, but instead i will respond here, I did not say i don't like you, I said that your manner and thoughts on things are about 180 degrees oppisite from what i think and believe, so it rubs me the wrong way, Indeed if i Disliked you i wouldn't ant in this way i would start doing insults and such or something. It is just sometimes your posts and such seem really abrasive and my own Psycological limitations make me get REAlly upset, because, Even if i agree with someone, I can't stand such abrasivness, your posts seem to come off sounding Like "this is the way you should act, any other way is wrong, so there"
this is something i myself need to overcome, but I also think you can work on how you word your posts, (not to say you are the only one, or that i don't need to work on it my self) and be just as understanding as we are trying to be with you. _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student
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mmmkay, about the strafejumping/gliding...
I read it, but you want to know why nobody replied? BECAUSE WE ALL ALREADY KNOW HOW. Hux teaches it in Beginners Movement Training.... It was a good post, it had clear instructions, and it may be helpful to someone who doesn't know about it. I almost replied and said "Nice post, but we all pretty much already know" but I figured that might be misconstrued as rude, so I didn't On to the next part, "Academy ppl think it's more important to be friendly and 'honorable' to one another than to become good at playing the game. Well... don't get good if you don't want to. There's always need for maggots at the bottom of every foodchain. " The reason for that??? Yeah, this is a COMMUNITY ok? No big deal, we want to learn, but why be alienated and hated by the people we see all the time?? Sorry if you thoght you were signing up for a military school or something. People would NOT want to come here, and they would NOT stay here if nobody cared about being disrespectful to the other "community members". I swear if everyone started giving you crap all day long and would kick you, sbare you, blah blah, you would get pissed and leave, DUH. _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Sorry you don't like me, insaniac, but you really should try to accept my beliefs. I do with all of yours. It's the actions I don't always like. As for the questions I post on this forum, I mean no offense. I'm simply curious and want to learn more about the academy (I'm not all that interested in the dueling strategies and moves and such, but communities are sort of intriguing to me).
Anyways.. you shouldn't take what I say to be some sort of truth, but you should try to look upon it with the forgiving eyes of a mother watching a child learning how to open doors by pressing the handle or turning the knob the wrong way. Eventually, I'll find out how to open that damned door, but it won't make me happier if ppl keep slamming it shut once I get it ajar. Cheers, and gun on! /Pepsi |
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Buzz - Student 
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That's true there are some people I've seen on the server that I just want to tell them to shut up and get lost because of their action, attitudes, and inability to let things slide. I don't because I don't feel like coming off as more of a jerk than I already am but I want to tell them off so much, be it someone who is running around attacking for no reason or someone that gets in a huff because person A didn't bow to person B before they started fighting in the duel. In other words: EGO CHECK! _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Feb 19 2003 03:49pm. |
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NofrikinfuN - Retired 
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Personally, I think bowing in JKII not only gives a sign that your opponent is ready, but also shows good sportsmanship. The same is true in saying "Good Fight". These are voluntary things, yes, but they are also much appreciated.
Kinda tells the person you don't think you're above them... A problem more and more common here at the Academy. |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg&f_odd=1)
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ok, Pepsi i don't know why but you just REALLY rub me wrong, so I may have to edit this a few times to keep my cool...
let me put it this way: if we didn't have respect and manners and honor and all this stuff, we would take the guns into the temple, we would rocket someone for no reason we would be the public servers, if i didn't have all this other stuff, and instead devoted my time to learning to kick some one's @$$ then i would just target you whenever i see you on the servers and kill you for no reason other than that you rub me the wrong way with thte things you say and do/believe and to show you what it would be like withoutthe attidtude we have in this community, however since i am a honorable and decent and understanding chap, i rein in my temper i won't harrass you, I try to be understanding about your beliefs, I keep the guns out of the temple, If i have a problem with someone i will either talk to them or quietly challenge them to a duel. I have more but i need to go... _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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Ohhh BOWING......I thought this post was on BOWLING....
Carry on ........  |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Amen Charon. You said it a lot nicer than I would have.
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Hehe. The simple point is that such a silly thing as bowing (that has nothing to do with gameplay) has taken up SO much time from so many ppl. It's a bit amazing actually.
And btw... the maggot thing was not meant as an insult. It's just something my biology teacher taught me when I was 13. Cheers /Pepsi |
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Charon - Ex-Student 
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You'll be happy to note, your post wasn't unread. No replies, fine. I however did read it, like I do just about everything else here, can't say there was much reason for me to reply, so I didn't.
As a second note, I do hope that's the last veiled insult I see out of you, Pepsi. I've said it before, that kind of attitude is not wanted here, and if we're so far beneath you, why don't you move on? --Charon _______________ spirit's searing pain battlefield of broken glass fallen speak to me --Charon |
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Buzz - Student 
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Well Pepsi I think you've just gone and insulted every single person here with that. How do you know if people read your post on strafing or not? I read your post on it. I found it very interesting but there was no need to post a comment on it. This stuff on bowing however is a discussion. And a discussion means people have opinions and most people want to voice there opinions on the subject. That's why this thread gets comments and your strafing one doesn't. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Pepsi - Ex-Student |
Dear god. Now I know somethings wrong.
I put a post on this forum on how to move properly (strafejumping and gliding), and nobody read it or replied to it. I put a post about bowing and I get tons and tons of replies. Here's what I concluded: Academy ppl think it's more important to be friendly and 'honorable' to one another than to become good at playing the game. Well... don't get good if you don't want to. There's always need for maggots at the bottom of every foodchain. /Pepsi |
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phonque - Ex-Student |
i do not think that bowing is required, i personally would prefer a bow but wouldnt take offense to a nod. for me though when im not fighting (before a duel, during a break in the fight or after no matter the winner) i enjoy a bit of role playing, it adds something extra to the fun factor |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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hehe ioshee it's true: sared's bow is the funniest i've ever seen but at least it shows that he is serious about it and truly respects his opponent. _______________ make install -not war |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student
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well, I look at it this way:
I am a character that can die (the fact that i get brought back to life after i die doesn't matter) so we are putting ourselves at risk, which means bowing, though with all you have said i don't know why you don't just play on the Public servers. When i bow i am Simultaneusly: Opening myself to my opponent to show that i trust him enough that he will not attack me untill I am ready Humbling myself to my opponent Showing respect for my betters (higher ranked opponents or duelers that have beaten me in the past) showing to my oponent that i am ready to fight him (though i do this by igniting my saber usually and many other things that can't be put into words... i just get offened by people who don't bow, and because i do deep respectful bows i won't see somone's nod of the head (which i still consider somewhat rude because you aren't opening yourself up and don't trust me not to attack you untill you are ready, and a host of other things) _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Well...if you don't bow, that's cool with me, but other people might take offense. A nod of the head is pretty much the same as bowing. I just bow because of a habbit, really. |
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Aryion - Ex-Student 
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"even Pest bows before a saber duel"
When I bowed to him, he ydfaed my ass which really hurt  but I still beat him _______________ Anger is a condition in which the tongue works faster than the mind |
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Carve - Student 
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The bow for me is signal that you're ready for combat. Once you've bowed, saber on or off, I'm coming after you, and I expect the same. But a head nod could mean anything, it could be a mistake, etc. etc. And sometimes, waiting for someone to light their saber to attack is waiting too long
*cough ydfa* _______________ © |
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JProton - Ex-Student 
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I think the Bowing Idea is ok in JK2, this Croush is a little odd, I feel a nod of the head is respect enough for the other player, I mean after all its only a game, if you notice on public servers there are 2 types of player, there is the Unreal Tourne type player who goes hell for leather to kill no matter what, and there is the Jedi type player, and that jedi type is the bowing, non attacking when typing and when no weapon is drawn type player,
Ive only started to crouch bow since joining the JA I always did the nod yer head bow, but ppl in the community prefer to crouch bow.. I guess in the end it comes to personal preference, and isnt it just to say in a duel that your ready to get the saber out to fight... _______________ We have all had Dark Times. Its how we deal with it now that makes the kind of Jedi we are. |
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ioshee - Student 
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The funny thing is we are not even talking about bowing here. It's really called crouching in the game. So if you have a problem with “bowing” couldn’t you just crouch for your opponent? Unless crouching reminds you of something in your real life that is not worthy to be used in a video game.
But on the subject of bowing has anyone ever seen Sared bow before a duel? He cracks me up every time. He crouches, then looks all the way to the ceiling and slowly lowers his head all the way to the floor. hehe _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Damon C. Belouve - Student 
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In my very limited martial arts training I was taught that bowing is a sign of respect. You temporarily and critically expose yourself to your opponent because during the bow you take our eyes off of your opponent and they have a clear sight of your head. And you know if you have dueled NoFrikinFun that a head shot can end the battle quickly. Bows initially were deep and reverent, but through the years have become more hastened and routine. In many cases eye contact is not broken with opponent. There are theories, but no real answers, about this evolution. However, I believe that the emergence of groups such as the Ninja who developed out of the Samurai society of Japan had a bearing on this.
A Ninja, as described to me, was one who valued getting the job done more than honour. They used means and tactics that Samurai would have deemed dishonourable (please excuse my Canadian spelling). I certainly do not picture a Ninja bowing before assassinating someone. LOL. So the question may become are Jedi more like, Samurai or Ninja. But no, it is much simpler than that. The JA rules of engagement (written or implied--doesn’t matter) are that one bows at the start of the match. I have personally been attacked with a Saber twice, and kicked once, while bowing at the Academy, but I keep bowing anyway. I feel it is respectful. I believe my opponent is worthy of that. Dance, Nod, Walk around, emote, or laugh at the beginning of a duel with me. I will only know for sure you have respect for me if you bow. LOL. Well, even that is not certain, even Pest bows before a saber duel. But I think you guys understand my thoughts. Later, D.C. 
edit: remember this is only my OPINION and IMPRESSION of bowing. _______________ One of the original Belouves. Padawan to the Mighty Tido and brother to Dane and Delvin! Proud Member of the Killer D's AKA the 3 D's of Tidoness. This comment was edited by Damon C. Belouve on Feb 18 2003 01:12pm. |
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