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This used to be the place where a stupid suggestion by some idiot named n00b (me) was voiced. Sorry, it was dumb  _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... This post was edited by n00b on Jun 01 2004 05:58am. |
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Cyb - Student 
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Shame I can't actually read your suggestion anymore but after reading the replies I think your suggestion really wouldn't have been that bad. To me this seemed like a good discussion actually  so you might as well have kept it up _______________ ~~ Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none! ~~ |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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There are no stupid suggestions  There only 1) good, 2) not needed or 3) not well thought of suggestions _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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o2b - Student 
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It wasn't a dumb suggestion at all n00b  I think the idea had some good points, but in the end may have been a backwards step. But we never know until we ask these questions and see what everyone thinks |
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Nero - Student 
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*agrees with Buzzerdiebuzz* _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Buzz - Student 
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I wished you hadn't deleted all that noob. There is nothing wrong with proposing ideas. Who cares if a lot of people don't agree with them. It doesn't make them anymore right than you are. And things are always changing, who's to say that sometime in the future we might adopt a few of those ideas for use here. Just because an entire idea isn't popular doesn't mean a few points won't be used. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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n00b - Student 
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After reading this thread about 10 times, I see that this is obviously a sensitive issue and shouldn't be discussed anymore in public. I understand what you have all said and appreciate the comments in return. What I'm going to do in the future is just stop worrying about the JA school. You guys have made something out of nothing and I'm just a spectator. I had nothing to do with the formation of this society and I'm sorry for poking my nose where it really doesn't belong. From now on, you will see no more posts like this from Fun Lovin n00b. I want to thank all the hard working JAK+ for making a society that has been an aweful fun experience so far for me. I wish these people great success in any further endeavors with the JA. The things you guys come up with really make people give you the respect you deserve. /me bows Take care! _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... This comment was edited by n00b on Jun 01 2004 05:31am. |
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Nero - Student 
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Well I'm not going to post as all former guys did in front of me (my english is way to poor to do so). So here we go: First of all I think 'safety' is not a matter on this, I think alowing votes would be enough to overall have the lame people away from the servers. I do not think that we should abandon any type of ranking system though. This is because it does keep it all easy to understand. They do their thing, we do ours, done In my opinion it would be nice to have something called 'student classes roster' or something, a please were students can add their classes to the list (ofcourse at times the servers are available). This would just add more classes which leads to more subjects and more times to hop in. About the lame people around. I think you'll always have them, they just are there and to be honost I was one of them in my elder days. So in short: -I think we should not abandon a ranking system. -I think there should be a special student give classes roster -I think we should just ignore the st00pid _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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o2b - Student 
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I think the JA is a really cool place to be...not *just* because of the rank system, but because I'm hearing snippets of how hard it is to attain the rank. Maybe that just came out the wrong way, but what I mean is if someone's a JAK+ they've got my respect until they do something to lose it...but what I'm feeling a lot of us forget, they're still only human. Well...I think most of them are human... Ahem - Anyway - We're always going to get people joining who seek rank over fun - it's life. But with the way our current community is set up, they'll never get the rank unless they deserve it...and if they pass the trials, they deserve it If they don't even get a shoe-in on the trials, then they'll either change their perspective or leave...either way benefits the Academy. Don't forget that rank's not a permanent thing. Someone can be taken down a rank if they're found unsuitable for the job. I wouldn't worry about it too much n00b - if someone's being a hastle then ignore them or get someone with admin to sort 'em out And we gotta meet up some time and duel |
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3th - Retired 
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well i don't really know what to say. i have so much respect for everyone that i know that has posted here. i guess all i would add is that the JA is a fairly self correcting system. i've been on many many times where some ppl are having fun and doing what would be considered laming by some. but they're doing a good job of keeping it to themselves so everyone on the server lets them be. the minute they become distracting, somone usually lets them know in a respectful way and they stop. the people listen to other people out of respect. not because of any tag. those that have to have someone with a tag to get them to listen to them should be immediately banned from the JA to never return in my opinion. i honestly think that the servers could be easily policed by the students themselves if we could vote to kick any lamers. it's usually quite obvious when someone is being an ass and combined with teamspeak you can quickly communicate to everyone else to keep an eye on the lamer. but i don't think we need to change anything as i've never really seen a time where someone needed to be kicked and we couldn't get a JAK or someone in from irc to help out. and on a side note, teamspeak is an invaluable teaching tool. last night motrec spent like 30 seconds giving me tips that would have taken 5 minutes to type out and clarify. and now i'm a better player for it (not good mind you, just better than before)  back to topic...if i get the jist of n00b's post, i'd say this is more about an issue of mutual respect for all people (no matter what the name or initals are) to treat each other the same, assuming of course the person behaves in a way that is reciprocally respectful. i do have to admit that i am much more excited when i get on the server and there are people that i i know and consider good friends. would a bunch of strange names on the server prevent me from going on? not at all. but it is so much more fun to hang out with people that you have an established bond with. and i think that fact in and of itself can make things seems "cliquey" at times. in closing. n00b, i don't think anything really needs to be changed. unfortunatly there's not much one can do to stop somone else from becoming aloof :\ actually, i did just think of way to make this idea work. but i'm gonna keep it to myself for a bit. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Lancer007 - Student 
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Noob I don't see why you should be upset about that.first of all noob If someone doesn't want to duel you and they went to go duel the same person is because they're proubly training or they'd just rather duel each other for the fun of it,it doesn't make you a noob in anyway.secound of all I wouldn't worry about people ignoring you sometimes there just proubly buiessy with something or there afk or there rude and you shouldn't worry about em.One last thing noob It doesn't matter if there a JAK or a JAT that doesn't make them totally different from you. |
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Fire - Student 
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I agree with Ash and Kenyon on this matter, without rank, there wouldn't be much order. Fun is a great factor, but safety comes first. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt  This comment was edited by Fire on May 29 2004 06:26pm. |
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SS/ph00d - Student 
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Ranks are needed to keep a safe environment so people don't feel threatened. Also a means of someone to look for for help if your new. I mean you can go to anyone for help if you're new because the people here are all great. _______________ -ShadowSith: CTF/gunner specialist. |
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Mace Windu - Retired 
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Very true, lots of lamers during that time, lots of complaints.. _______________ -Mace Windu "When a fool says something foolish, do not answer the fool." -Windu To Vladarion, though I know you are in a better place - it makes me shake to think that you are not awake - when I think about you it makes me smile - i know you have gone into the clouds to head for heavens gates - you have changed my life - in an incredible way - and so I say thank you - may you rest in peace This comment was edited by Mace Windu on May 29 2004 03:54pm. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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A lot of good replies. I don't have many main points to add, but two clarifications: Quote: What I don't think is necessary is an analysis of what you think I understand... That was opposed to the repeated "Read what I said" and "people are still getting the wrong impression". It wasn't an analysis to engage in pointless semantic bickering, but rather my genuine feeling that if there is any miscommunication, it may very well be your perception. And I think that commented pointed it out well enough. Quote: ...but I see things a little different because I experienced JK3 for 3 months with no JAK+ presence on the servers. It was fun as hell. I remember when you came on board, a few weeks after I had been roaming the shiny, brand-new, still-on-FFA-map servers. I remember this period differently: Sure, we had fun, but there were a lot of complaints regarding lamers and disrepect. I don't know if you caught anything of that mood amongst the students, but it definitely improved once the Academy ranks made their (choppy) transition. ~Ken |
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Haohmaru - Ex-Student 
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I'd have to agree with Ash. The Jedi Academy was created and intended to teach people how to play the games better. I realise that you don't have to learn here, and that most people came here because they were sick of public lame-fests, but you can't ignore the fact that is is more or less a school. What is your school like? Are there different 'ranks'? JAC's are like Principals(Or Headmasters, depending where you're from), and our JAT's and JAK's are just like our school teachers. The Teachers keep the Students in line. The Principals and Headmasters keep the Teachers in line. Isn't that what we have going on here? JAT's and JAK's keeping peace among the Students, and JAC's keeping peace among the JAT's and JAK's? (Of course, there's always that time when something gets so out of hand the JAC's have to deal with it )And of course, when you're playing around on a Home server, that's your recess I came here to learn. When I was told about this place I imagined a great school, exactly like my own, with the exception of it being set in the Star Wars universe. And that's exactly what it is. Conclusion: We need titles! _______________ Brother to Jarvo and Furious Padawan learner of Furious This comment was edited by Haohmaru on May 29 2004 08:32am. |
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Jade - Student 
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Hi n00b, Have I understood this correct...some of these people are the ones who have been trying for rank and because they dont make it are disappointed and then leave because they feel hard done...? I wont mention names because I didn't know them but can only gather from some bitter leaving speaches. I guess one way to address this is to educate new members regarding the tagging system and that the asperation of a student is to have FUN and to BETTER themselves...both seem to work hand in hand here. I dont think taking off tags would change these peoples attitude/motives...if it is not JAK/JAT then it could be the pwn king/Queen(better be careful not to say porn ). This can only be changed by education at the early stages and if this doesn't suite their ultimate goal, then they are free to leave before being dissappointed.I too am here for fun. I have a tough job and a young family. This is my escape from all the RL pressure. However, some of these posts do get me down especially the one you mentioned but I find much much more from the community. Dont change the way the JA is just because of a few...and please dont let these few get to you...dont let them spoil your FUN....if I'm around, then feel free to lame me or something to get rid of your frustration (that goes out to everyone.... )Take care my friend _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" |
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Quote: Well, I always thought of the titles as something you earned and along with the title comes the job. You don't just train hard to get the title and then just show it off, there's still more work to do once that rank is awarded. Billy has got the right idea. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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its cool that you are here for fun but most of the students came here with an intent to learn. after all, this website and it's servers were descritly made for teaching the how to's of the JK series. the knight/trainer system was built to teach these students. that is not to say that some students can not still learn with out training from JAK+. JAK+ just greatly make it easier for students who want to learn while others are having "fun" _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Lego[DEAD] - Ex-Student ![Lego[DEAD]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=48&f_image=../banned.png){kind=small}
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u nOOb LoL :p _______________ AHH YOU ARE ALL NICE LADS |
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Mace Windu - Retired 
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I agree with Buzz and Kenyon. _______________ -Mace Windu "When a fool says something foolish, do not answer the fool." -Windu To Vladarion, though I know you are in a better place - it makes me shake to think that you are not awake - when I think about you it makes me smile - i know you have gone into the clouds to head for heavens gates - you have changed my life - in an incredible way - and so I say thank you - may you rest in peace |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Well, I always thought of the titles as something you earned and along with the title comes the job. You don't just train hard to get the title and then just show it off, there's still more work to do once that rank is awarded. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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i agree with buzz, having been JAK and JAT _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Buzz - Student
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Removing ranks won't solve anything and could possibly just cause more troubles. We do need some structure here and this really is the very minimum structure we have found to work. If you didn't have the ranks with admin powers you'd have new people seeing certain members with admin powers, and then wondering what do they need to do to get the admin powers. There isn't really a perfect plan, but some are better than others. What we have right now seems to be the best. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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I disagree with you firmly on this issue n00b. Don't let the title below my name fool you: I have always had a firm opinion in that matter. From what I have read, the answers to your post actually do point out something that I feel you have not grasped yet. In your post, you point out factors that attract the wrong kind of people. I could see where you're coming from, but I do not agree with your reasoning after this observation. The people who are so single-minded that they choose to "ruin the atmosphere" even after people point out the "job" that is Knighthood probably have a character flaw that shouldn't be dealt with by eliminating the structure that provided this community in the first place. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that even without ranks the same behaviour will come from these people, though it will manifest itself in other ways. Yes, the ranks are 'elitist' in that members to them are nominated by the ranks themselves. But it has provided the Academy with the structure, discipline and solid foundation that is obviously lacking in many other communities. Do you feel the Academy would be the place it is now if any person could come and create classes? Occupy our server space? Do you feel it would be an easier place to manage by the JAC's themselves? No. We're not all-knowing, but we definitely know our stuff, and people recognize this.. That's why they choose to go here, because classes and lessons from our organization are recognized as almost garuanteed informative and fun lessons. You can call me an elitist if you wish, but I think you are being very overdramatic in calling us an "elitist society". It's like communism: Great on paper. Bad in practice. This comment was edited by Mookie on May 28 2004 04:52pm. |
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Daidalus[JAP] Fisto - Student ![Daidalus[JAP] Fisto](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=49&f_height=70&f_image=3482.jpg){kind=small}
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hi n00b! i agree with your mention,l that the ranks making some ppl think they could take them by skill. but as you can reed, thats not the maincreteria for the JAK's. Letz say, the ranks give our nice place here a kind of stability. without them nobody could hold on the order, the jacs alone cant make classes and keep an eye on the servers. what would a school be without teachers? if we have no teachers, what would the academy be without classes? and if anyone can give classes, it would be chaotic. the moment you say that only a small amount of choosen ppl can make classes, we have a rank-systhem again. without any ranks and classes, the only thing we would have are private servers and a community. without an instance that cares about the order on the servers and community. If everyone would be respectful and nice and everyone would akt like we are a big family, wie woudnt need ranks, thats right. but in fact, we need them becouse not everyone wants to be nice and respectful ;-) its like a devil-circle, but you cant stop it with delating the ranks... greetings, daid _______________ Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote: fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"
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