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This used to be the place where a stupid suggestion by some idiot named n00b (me) was voiced. Sorry, it was dumb  _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... This post was edited by n00b on Jun 01 2004 05:58am. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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A lot of good replies.  I don't have many main points to add, but two clarifications:Quote: What I don't think is necessary is an analysis of what you think I understand... That was opposed to the repeated "Read what I said" and "people are still getting the wrong impression". It wasn't an analysis to engage in pointless semantic bickering, but rather my genuine feeling that if there is any miscommunication, it may very well be your perception. And I think that commented pointed it out well enough. Quote: ...but I see things a little different because I experienced JK3 for 3 months with no JAK+ presence on the servers. It was fun as hell. I remember when you came on board, a few weeks after I had been roaming the shiny, brand-new, still-on-FFA-map servers. I remember this period differently: Sure, we had fun, but there were a lot of complaints regarding lamers and disrepect. I don't know if you caught anything of that mood amongst the students, but it definitely improved once the Academy ranks made their (choppy) transition. ~Ken |
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Haohmaru - Ex-Student 
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I'd have to agree with Ash. The Jedi Academy was created and intended to teach people how to play the games better. I realise that you don't have to learn here, and that most people came here because they were sick of public lame-fests, but you can't ignore the fact that is is more or less a school. What is your school like? Are there different 'ranks'? JAC's are like Principals(Or Headmasters, depending where you're from), and our JAT's and JAK's are just like our school teachers. The Teachers keep the Students in line. The Principals and Headmasters keep the Teachers in line. Isn't that what we have going on here? JAT's and JAK's keeping peace among the Students, and JAC's keeping peace among the JAT's and JAK's? (Of course, there's always that time when something gets so out of hand the JAC's have to deal with it  )And of course, when you're playing around on a Home server, that's your recess I came here to learn. When I was told about this place I imagined a great school, exactly like my own, with the exception of it being set in the Star Wars universe. And that's exactly what it is. Conclusion: We need titles! _______________ Brother to Jarvo and Furious Padawan learner of Furious This comment was edited by Haohmaru on May 29 2004 08:32am. |
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Jade - Student 
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Hi n00b, Have I understood this correct...some of these people are the ones who have been trying for rank and because they dont make it are disappointed and then leave because they feel hard done...? I wont mention names because I didn't know them but can only gather from some bitter leaving speaches. I guess one way to address this is to educate new members regarding the tagging system and that the asperation of a student is to have FUN and to BETTER themselves...both seem to work hand in hand here. I dont think taking off tags would change these peoples attitude/motives...if it is not JAK/JAT then it could be the pwn king/Queen(better be careful not to say porn  ). This can only be changed by education at the early stages and if this doesn't suite their ultimate goal, then they are free to leave before being dissappointed.I too am here for fun. I have a tough job and a young family. This is my escape from all the RL pressure. However, some of these posts do get me down especially the one you mentioned but I find much much more from the community. Dont change the way the JA is just because of a few...and please dont let these few get to you...dont let them spoil your FUN....if I'm around, then feel free to lame me or something to get rid of your frustration (that goes out to everyone.... )Take care my friend  _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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Quote: Well, I always thought of the titles as something you earned and along with the title comes the job. You don't just train hard to get the title and then just show it off, there's still more work to do once that rank is awarded. Billy has got the right idea. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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its cool that you are here for fun but most of the students came here with an intent to learn. after all, this website and it's servers were descritly made for teaching the how to's of the JK series. the knight/trainer system was built to teach these students. that is not to say that some students can not still learn with out training from JAK+. JAK+ just greatly make it easier for students who want to learn while others are having "fun" _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Lego[DEAD] - Ex-Student ![Lego[DEAD]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=48&f_image=../banned.png&f_odd=1){kind=small}
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u nOOb LoL :p _______________ AHH YOU ARE ALL NICE LADS |
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Mace Windu - Retired 
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I agree with Buzz and Kenyon. _______________ -Mace Windu "When a fool says something foolish, do not answer the fool." -Windu To Vladarion, though I know you are in a better place - it makes me shake to think that you are not awake - when I think about you it makes me smile - i know you have gone into the clouds to head for heavens gates - you have changed my life - in an incredible way - and so I say thank you - may you rest in peace |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Well, I always thought of the titles as something you earned and along with the title comes the job. You don't just train hard to get the title and then just show it off, there's still more work to do once that rank is awarded. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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i agree with buzz, having been JAK and JAT _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Buzz - Student 
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Removing ranks won't solve anything and could possibly just cause more troubles. We do need some structure here and this really is the very minimum structure we have found to work. If you didn't have the ranks with admin powers you'd have new people seeing certain members with admin powers, and then wondering what do they need to do to get the admin powers. There isn't really a perfect plan, but some are better than others. What we have right now seems to be the best. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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I disagree with you firmly on this issue n00b. Don't let the title below my name fool you: I have always had a firm opinion in that matter. From what I have read, the answers to your post actually do point out something that I feel you have not grasped yet. In your post, you point out factors that attract the wrong kind of people. I could see where you're coming from, but I do not agree with your reasoning after this observation. The people who are so single-minded that they choose to "ruin the atmosphere" even after people point out the "job" that is Knighthood probably have a character flaw that shouldn't be dealt with by eliminating the structure that provided this community in the first place. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that even without ranks the same behaviour will come from these people, though it will manifest itself in other ways. Yes, the ranks are 'elitist' in that members to them are nominated by the ranks themselves. But it has provided the Academy with the structure, discipline and solid foundation that is obviously lacking in many other communities. Do you feel the Academy would be the place it is now if any person could come and create classes? Occupy our server space? Do you feel it would be an easier place to manage by the JAC's themselves? No. We're not all-knowing, but we definitely know our stuff, and people recognize this.. That's why they choose to go here, because classes and lessons from our organization are recognized as almost garuanteed informative and fun lessons. You can call me an elitist if you wish, but I think you are being very overdramatic in calling us an "elitist society". It's like communism: Great on paper. Bad in practice. This comment was edited by Mookie on May 28 2004 04:52pm. |
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hi n00b! i agree with your mention,l that the ranks making some ppl think they could take them by skill. but as you can reed, thats not the maincreteria for the JAK's. Letz say, the ranks give our nice place here a kind of stability. without them nobody could hold on the order, the jacs alone cant make classes and keep an eye on the servers. what would a school be without teachers? if we have no teachers, what would the academy be without classes? and if anyone can give classes, it would be chaotic. the moment you say that only a small amount of choosen ppl can make classes, we have a rank-systhem again. without any ranks and classes, the only thing we would have are private servers and a community. without an instance that cares about the order on the servers and community. If everyone would be respectful and nice and everyone would akt like we are a big family, wie woudnt need ranks, thats right. but in fact, we need them becouse not everyone wants to be nice and respectful ;-) its like a devil-circle, but you cant stop it with delating the ranks... greetings, daid _______________ Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote: fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"
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Mace Windu - Retired
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I agree, it is more like a job. EVERYONE is equal, its just some people don't feel that way. Ranks or no ranks, everyone is the same, at least in my eyes. _______________ -Mace Windu "When a fool says something foolish, do not answer the fool." -Windu To Vladarion, though I know you are in a better place - it makes me shake to think that you are not awake - when I think about you it makes me smile - i know you have gone into the clouds to head for heavens gates - you have changed my life - in an incredible way - and so I say thank you - may you rest in peace This comment was edited by Mace Windu on May 28 2004 03:41pm. |
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Tido - Student 
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One thing to remember is this is a school. And all schools have a chain of command. At the very top of a schools orginization is usually a Board. It's a small group of people who make the big decisions for a school. They are usually behind the scenes, but they are really responsible for whether or not the school sinks or swims. Under that are usually presidents/deans. People who are in charge of the teaching process and how it will be ordered. And of course under that are the teachers. If you think about it, the JA is very similar. But imagine a school without that orginization. Do you think that school would actually be able to teach anything to its students? Just throwing in a different perspective . This comment was edited by Tido on May 28 2004 03:36pm. |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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At the beginning it might be fun, but it will turn out to be a complete chaos. And as numerous people below have stated, don't see JAKs+ as ranks; see them like normal people with further things to do (you could describe it as a job) to help the JA. Without the JAKs+ we wouldn't be a school no more. Everyone would do w/e he wanted... And 5 JACs wouldn't be able to control so many people. Democracy isn't always the best thing (i'm not even going to talk about communism)... Sometimes it's bad for everyone to be pretty much equal. Think about it _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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Well n00b I see where you are getting at. And if thats really such a problem its a sad thing. Theres been ppl pursuing that goal eversince the JA was established. And we have always been doing our utmost best to avoid such ppl from gaining rank. Hell, n00b your posts make me think that you have the impression of us JAK+ being "high above" - we arent. We need to be from time to time, but we are just guys who wanna have fun now and then. And, as said, we have other responsabilities, such as keeping peace on servers and stuff, which makes it difficult to have fun sometimes. yes, we could just go without the tags, but what would that result in ? we're like 20-30 ppl those names one can easily remember, plus newbies or other folks will have no clue who to ask for comments/help/whatever. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Sorry n00b but I disgree with your post (no surprise huh? ) The JA is not a place to just 'hang out with friends and have fun'. The original purpose of this place was to take people in, and train em at the games so they can become better players, notice the BETTER! Sure loads of people are here cos its a giggle and a nice environment, but don't look down on the people who are here just for the games, the people who wanna win and play the best they can play, cos they are the people we REALLY want here. These are the people that are going to signup to classes and actually LISTEN to what the teacher is saying, not crack jokes every other sentence beacuse they are 'chums' with the teacher. Have your fun 'community' by all means, but don't discriminate against the people who are just here for the games _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Wolfwood - Student 
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I agree with everything said by Buzz, Orion and Silk. We need the ranks in my opinion. A Knight or a trainer is nothing more then you or me or anyone. The only difference is that we have acces to admin powers and we enjoy teaching people and showing them how to play this game. We are not superior to anyone in any way. The ranks are here to keep order and structure in the Academy where it is most needed. When new people join, and don't know whats going on, they go on the server, they see JAK Or JAT and they know: oh, if I have a problem I can ask those people because thats what they are here for. Without ranks it would be: Hey, erm, guys? who do I go to if I need help, erm? who has admin? guys?? You said many people join just to get ranks, do you think we only look at people's skill?. Skill is an important aspect yes, however its not the most important thing. Like orion said, if we look only at skill, who knows what sort of knights/trainers there would be running around now. I think one of the most important reasons the JA has lived this long is because of the way its being organized. Thats why I think we should stick with the ranks. They create structure and order in the community. A way so that everyone knows who they should go to whenever they have problems, or need help. just my two dutch euro cents _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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It's like Buzz said. There aren't ranks here: just jobs and things people do. And it is work...make no mistakes about it. Sure, you could make everyone have the same description, but people would still need to do work. If equality and your(n00b's) system are more important than having structure, you'll have chaos. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Mace Windu - Retired 
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There has to be some kind of order.. _______________ -Mace Windu "When a fool says something foolish, do not answer the fool." -Windu To Vladarion, though I know you are in a better place - it makes me shake to think that you are not awake - when I think about you it makes me smile - i know you have gone into the clouds to head for heavens gates - you have changed my life - in an incredible way - and so I say thank you - may you rest in peace |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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teh greatest jedi < britney spears. now that that's outta the way. as you said n00beh, most of these honor seeking peeps don't come on the server much anyways and the best way is to just ignore them when they're making themselves round and hairy (nice imagery huh?). ja isn't an utopian society and these folks do exist and make other people feel uncomfortable. your solution of eliminating the ranking system would deter these folks from coming to ja to seek power and to feed their egos. however, the rankings also provide the academy with a sense of structure and order. we do need other higher ups other then the JAC's (when was the last time u saw a JAC on?) to keep order on teh servers and to uphold the spirit of the academy. otherwise we'll all be a bunch o students with no one in a position of authority and RESPONSIBILITY. it's not to say that these people with jak's jat's are necessarily superior, they all < than brit, it's just that the academy is a big place and these reliable dudes and dudettes are needed to keep da place from falling into chaos. I like ur idea of the students teaching classes but that's besides teh point...and we do have that 45 mins of fame thingy... |
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Buzz - Student
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Don't look at them as ranks. Its been said before. The JAK JAT and JAC really are jobs. And we will always have people joining not really understanding what we are all about. They'll either accept it and integrate into it, or leave. Its their choice to adapt to us and how things are done here. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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You don't need a rank to be a teacher, you don't need a rank to be a student. Your focusing too much on the rank system...just ignore it. See it as just people with admin powers, but people equal as you. Everyone is the same, some just have more control over the server and the site. There is no need to worry about ranks my friend, i for one don't. They don't let just anyone up there ya know (well..maybe some ^^), but in all seriousness, you can teach people without three letters in your name. Just keep that in mind my friend. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Flash - Student 
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As Orion said, we are a school. You can't have a school with everyone being a teacher or everyone being a student. There would be no order. This comment was edited by Flash on May 28 2004 02:11am. |
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Orion - Retired 
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No, we need ranks, if we adapt that 'clan laddder' were just a clan.. We are no a clan we are a school, and we need ranks. There will always people be joining to get a rank, because they want to be uber cool in the internet world with a title by their name. If our knights and trainers were picked for their skill we would have a bunch of arrogant punks as knights and this place would be dead imo, cause no one would want to be taught by some arrogant punk _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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