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How to Handle Lamers and Such
Jun 15 2004 10:56pm

Tido
 - Student
Tido
Thanks to Jacen Aratan, Katan, Motrec, and Virtue for their guidance in writing this.

It is a great thing that we have the JAK+ to keep the peace on the servers so we may go about our business and have fun. Unfortunately there are times when a JAK+ is not on the server, and someone has chosen to take advantage of their absence. In these situations the JAS/JAP are ‘on their own’ (but not really as we will see) to deal with the situation.

First off you should take this time to review the rules to refresh you on what situations require attention.

As JAS/JAP, we have no authority to discipline those who break the rules. Doing so could possibly put yourself in trouble if you make a mistake. It is fine to make friendly suggestions to other students about their conduct, but under no means should you scold or reprimand them. Your #1 goal when inappropriate situations arise is to avoid conflict. Leave the disciplinary job to the JAK+.



When you witness a rule being broken and the offender has no intention of changing his course of action (ie it wasn’t an accident, you ask him to stop and he continues, etc) then 2 things need to happen:

1. A student needs to take the role of capturing credible evidence (recorded demos, screenshots, condumps – this will be covered below) of the rules being broken.
2. A second student should get the attention of a JAK+ to come and handle the situation. If one is not in the server then that student should go to IRC and get a ranked member. Once a JAK+ arrives and begins to address the situation you should detach yourself from the situation and let the JAK+ handle it.

If you and the offender are the only ones in the server, you should stay to record their actions. Plead, don’t command that person to cease what they are doing, but continue to capture proof of their actions.



To record evidence your tools will be screenshot, condump, and recording demos.

screenshot: In your usual setup, make sure you have a button bound to the command ‘screenshot’ (ex: bind f12 screenshot) so that you may quickly take a picture of the action. Screenshots are saved as JPGs into your jk3 directory (usually under gamedata/reload/screenshots/ if you were playing on a JA server). If you need to take a picture of the console, pull it down (~), scroll to the part you need to capture (pg up/dwn), and then type ‘screenshot’ in the console. Don’t hesitate to take a lot of pictures – you can decide which ones are the most relevant later.

condump: This command takes all the information that is in your console (all the chats that have happened, all the events) and exports it to a TXT file. To use this, type in your console /condump <txtname> without the <>.

record: Recording a demo makes a DM26 file. Basically this is a file that can be loaded in jk3 and will play back your recording. To start recording a demo, type in your console /g_sync 1; record; g_sync 0 and to stop type /stoprecord (its very helpful to use a CFG script to do this).



Once you have collected all this, e-mail it to Aron or Buzz, or if you feel it is needed, another Council Member.

To get an e-mail address from someone’s profile: go to their profile and click the link of their username. That link is to their e-mail address.

Once you have done this you do not need to involve yourself in the situation any further. In fact it is in your best interest to avoid the situation as best as you can. Do not discuss the events with your fellow students, as that starts the rumor mill which is extremely unfair to the victims of it. Please avoid reporting your opinion – just state the facts.



It is terrible that anyone may get in trouble here. When it happens, it is very tragic and sad, but it is a necessity to ensure a functioning JA for the rest of us. By handling situations as illustrated above, you can ensure justice without escalading the problem.



This post was edited by Virtue on Oct 31 2005 04:17am.

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Nov 06 2005 12:06am

tarpman
 - The Tarped Avenger
 tarpman

Do the JA servers run with g_synchronousclients? I don't think you can record demoes without it.
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Nov 05 2005 12:21am

Tido
 - Student
 Tido

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by the time u get that demoing mode to work the guy who just annoyed/lamed etc you will be long gone :)


That's what the CFG is for. That way you just push a button and ka-pow! demo. :P

Oct 15 2005 10:28am

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

by the time u get that demoing mode to work the guy who just annoyed/lamed etc you will be long gone :)
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Oct 14 2005 04:36pm

bono_bob
 - Student

demos are obviosly more solid evidence cause its easy to fake a screen shot of course I my self cant get demos to work. I personally believe in the honor word court system where you have witnesses, then of course you can have beeeping conspiracies where witneses lie and someone gets framed.. well than that just sucks.
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Oct 04 2005 07:38am

O'Liin Onasi
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 O'Liin Onasi

Bumps Everywhere:D
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Aug 11 2005 05:38pm

Setementor
 - Jedi Master
 Setementor

You can, just not very far if there aren't many. :P

Aug 11 2005 04:19pm

solitude
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 solitude

Quote:
Bump! :P


you cAnt bump a permie! :P
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Aug 11 2005 12:50pm

Thomasooo
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 Thomasooo

Bump! :P
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May 19 2005 11:15pm

Hitokiri
 - Student
 Hitokiri

Posting due to the name it said posted last...
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Mar 29 2005 09:36pm

CzechKnight
 - Student
 CzechKnight

Thx for the info :cool:
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Feb 03 2005 05:10pm

Tido
 - Student
 Tido

ROFL!!!! Ah talk about awesome timing! :P

Feb 03 2005 01:12pm

Aron
 - Retired
 Aron

....

I don't mean to be a pain, but....

Erm... could you have not waited for a COUPLE of hours before updating it?


.... now it's OUTDATED again.

:D

Feb 03 2005 12:54pm

ozzcoz
 - Cosplay Nerd
 ozzcoz

:D Good update Tido. As always clear and concise. If you got this far and you haven't read the whole thing: What the heck is wrong with you? Read it, read it now, read read read read read!!!
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Feb 03 2005 08:02am

Tido
 - Student
 Tido

Thread Updated. And yes if you need an admin quickly you can always reach one on IRC.

Feb 03 2005 05:09am

Gradius
 - Ex-Student
 Gradius

Yeah, there is always a JAK+ in IRC. What you can do is hop into the channel, and type this:

/msg HK-47 amsay yourmessagehere

This sends a message to our private channel letting anyone in there see that a student requires assistance. This command isn't a toy though, so try not to use it unless it's an emergancy.:)
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Feb 03 2005 05:05am

Ash
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 Ash

There will pretty much always be a JAK+ around at all times of the day. Hop on irc or contact one of us through AIM or MSN if neccessary.
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Feb 03 2005 03:19am

Hitokiri
 - Student
 Hitokiri

Are there any immediate ways to contact a JAK+, rather then by email to solve the problem in a timely manner?
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Jan 11 2005 06:35am

Tido
 - Student
 Tido

way ahead of ya ozzcoz, expect an update soon.

Jan 11 2005 03:42am

ozzcoz
 - Cosplay Nerd
 ozzcoz

I think this needs to be updated, for example:

- emailing Aron probably won't get you anywhere, seeing as how he's retired now and all

- if you want to get a JAK+ in IRC quickly, there is a new command in R4 or HK-47, though Tido would be best to explain how that works

- um, I'm sure there are other things, given we just had the rules updated and the_academy_v2, though I can't think of any atm :P
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Jan 10 2005 07:26pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

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Whats a lamer?:confused:


anyone who breaks this rule:
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There is absolutely NO fighting or agressive action unless agreed upon. If someone is attacking you against the rules, don't fight back. That simply lowers yourself to their level and further irritates the situation. Tempers rise, names are called, and bans are handed out when this happens, so take the high road. If someone is bothering you tell a staffmember. If it continues, report it to a staffmember, switch to spectator or take a break to calm down.

Along the same lines, it is not allowed to attack someone while they are typing (unless the typing icon appears while you are in the middle of an attack).


Generally, it means that you can't attack someone without asking him/her for permisson (a duel), and that you should be courteous (spelling?) out there on our servers to set a good example.
This article shows how you should handle such aggressive actions by some members.
(this rule does not apply to an all out FFA, such as is being held in the fortress from time to time, all the other rules still apply though)
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This comment was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Jan 10 2005 07:26pm.

Jan 10 2005 07:20pm

CyberKiller
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 CyberKiller

Whats a lamer?:confused:
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This comment was edited by CyberKiller on Jan 10 2005 07:21pm.

Nov 23 2004 05:16pm

Scythus Aratan
 - Student
 Scythus Aratan

Quote:
:alliance:Another good way to handle a lamer is to kill him in blue stance lol...I love the reaction when you uppercut a lamer from behind :D:alliance:


Fun as you may find it it does not solve the problem, merely increase it.
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Nov 23 2004 11:52am

Squibit
 - Student
 Squibit

Quote:
.I love the reaction when you uppercut a lamer from behind


I hope you were kidding.

We have a "rise above it and move on" philosophy here, if you try fighting back it will just build up and when an admin finaly does arrive you are aslikely to be kicked/banned as the original lamer
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Nov 23 2004 07:12am

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 - Ex-Student

:alliance:Another good way to handle a lamer is to kill him in blue stance lol...I love the reaction when you uppercut a lamer from behind :D:alliance:
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Oct 23 2004 04:48am

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 - Ex-Student

:alliance:Ya and it did go wrong a day or so after I wrote that ironically. I was on the FoG server and for once I was really kickin some wookie tail when some nooblet decided that if he couldnt beat me he could sleep me BUT a good person in there filled me in on how to get around sleep and I was awake in like 2 seconds :).
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