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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Quote: Well Gil I'll pop in to give you an answer to that on what's to be thought of the religious who think being gay is wrong. There is the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin." I believe that is what is preached by many churches. So even if they see being gay as "wrong" its definitely wrong for violence to be committed for those reasons. Of course, I would never suggest that the church would actually condone such violence. That was not the point I was making. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: I for one do not percieve you to be a bad guy. However, the continuation of the belief that being gay is immoral leads to people suffering and being killed. You may not act on it, but respectable people like yourself saying its ok to believe being gay is wrong, increases the amount of less respectable people who are willing to hurt homosexuals, because they believe God is on their side. Even if they are mistaken, the amount of people like yourself saying that being gay is wrong gives these others some kind of confirmation or validation for their ignorant hatred. Only when we ALL say, 'actually, its ok to be different', can this kind of suffering stop. Well Gil I'll pop in to give you an answer to that on what's to be thought of the religious who think being gay is wrong. There is the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin." I believe that is what is preached by many churches. So even if they see being gay as "wrong" its definitely wrong for violence to be committed for those reasons. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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Thats a very cool and interesting story quesi. I am always curious as to how people come to believe in God. I too have had positive prayer experiences when I believed. I for one do not percieve you to be a bad guy. However, the continuation of the belief that being gay is immoral leads to people suffering and being killed. You may not act on it, but respectable people like yourself saying its ok to believe being gay is wrong, increases the amount of less respectable people who are willing to hurt homosexuals, because they believe God is on their side. Even if they are mistaken, the amount of people like yourself saying that being gay is wrong gives these others some kind of confirmation or validation for their ignorant hatred. Only when we ALL say, 'actually, its ok to be different', can this kind of suffering stop. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Quesi - Student 
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I've been a Christian all my life. Or, at least, I've tried to be one. I must admit, it was through no miracle or revelation that this occured... I was brought up that way. I don't think the teaching I recieved from the church was a doctrine; childhood innocence or naivity might well have influenced the fact I truly believed in a greater being than humankind. As I grew in age and knowledge (as we all do) I began to doubt those very teachings I had recieved. However, a small seed of belief still existed within me. I decided that the best course of action would be to pray, to see if God really could make a difference. I went to church, I went to Christian festivals. I enjoyed the companionship that the people around me provided. As I got more and more involved, I began to enjoy prayer sessions, and then, through a number of personal experiences (which I could write about at length, if you so wish), I began to rekindle that little faith I had. As the years have gone by, I have more actively pursued my beliefs. I read the Bible to discover the truths within it. (Please dont elaborate on this point, I believe the Bible holds many truths within it because the followers of God before me have used it). With time, I have learned to recognise some of the more practical uses of the Bible in life: it can help in all situations, it is a guidebook to life for a Christian. Seeing other people using the Bible is no longer a reason for me to be reading it; it's because it genuinely interests me, and helps me with day to day issues. That is why I try to live as a follower of God. As a follower of God, I have nothing to lose. I live my life much the same as everybody else, but acknowledge a greater being. If God exists, I pray he will have mercy on me. To other non-believers, I only hope that I am percieved in a good light and I'm just a guy who has some religious beliefs. I believe my moral teachings to be in good taste, I believe I have so far lived my life responsibly. Whether I believe in God or not shouldn't matter, as everybody should have their own morals to live by. I just choose to pursue a relationship with God _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan]  [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great This comment was edited by Quesi on Jan 11 2005 05:45pm. |
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Scythus Aratan - Student 
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Quote: Flame much!?!  Please be careful what you do here in the Jedi Academy. If you like what it has to offer, obey it's Rules!Prove your account here if your so smart or explain to me how some type of cosmic fart blew the universe into a well maintained non chaotic system that we observe today? Did any of us witness any of these things? No, we didn't yet many of us humans follow the so-called "Educated Guesses" that others have made and believe on their ideas more then an ancient texted that had more chances of fading away than any other. Believe in whatever you like, but don't flame me or take part in this discussion if you have nothing constructive to add to it. How is it flaming to state my opinion? And you did say that IIRC.. To stop this degenerating into an argument, let me put forward a question to any christians: What makes you follow Christianity above any other religion / atheism, and why do you believe in it? _______________ Padawan to the great Jacen Aratan! <Setementor> Scythus is a genius! Claimer of the 5000th post in the Count thread [Solitude] scy rocks [Casual] good point scythus, you're really smart This comment was edited by Scythus Aratan on Jan 11 2005 05:21pm. |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Quote: This is an interesting point for me. I refuse to accept that I need God to exist to do good deeds. My good deeds originate from me and me alone, or how can I be said to be a free or good person? Yes, you can do good deeds by yourself for yourself and others in the eyes of men. I didn't mean to make it sound as if nobody can do any good at all without God directing them. The good that we to is just vanity, it's smoke with no real reward or substance. Actually, they may even put us into greater debt for the wages of sin is death. We can fool ourselves into believing that we are doing good for ourselves, good for our neighbors, our country, etc. but what do we really profit from it? Some good feelings? Maybe some type of good reactions in return? In God's eyes it all might very well be vanity where we are puffing up our own egos thinking that we are something great, that we really make a difference in the grand scheme of things, or require some type of payment for what our works have accomplished. As a humanist, I would say the fact that a good deed helps another person in some form is all the reward I would ever need. I dont need divine reward to do good deeds, I do it because it will help someone, and that is enough for me. The grand scheme of things doesn't bother me, if I make one person happy, thats enough for me. Frankly, I dont care what God has to say about it, because from what I see in the world around me, if he does exist, I certainly dont have to answer to him. Quote: Being a free person is an illusion to some degree too If we dont have freedom, how can you justify god punishing us? How can anyone hold someone responsible for their actions? If we are not free, surely god is the originator of all sin? Quote: I hope and pray that you are still reaching out to God. I don't know if you ever really believed or if something steared you away from wanting to believe, but there's hope for all of us which is a huge blessing. The day of salvation is at hand and we too can be delivered from our sins. I did really believe, but after studying philosophy I learnt to rely on rationality, logic and evidence; and to not come to fantastic and awesome conclusions unless there is enough evidence. I would love to be able to believe in god, and will continue searching for him, but I have not found him anywhere yet, certainly not in the world around me, and not in the bible. Quote: True, God didn't pen the Bible with His own hand. He worked through the Holy Spirit in those who wrote it. God is very clear about the fact that He wrote His Word. Holy men of old spoke as God the Holy Spirit moved them. You only believe this if you believe that the bible is true. Therefore, you only believe the bible is valid and true, if the bible is true. This is a circular and therefore invalid argument. Quote: Prove your account here if your so smart or explain to me how some type of cosmic fart blew the universe into a well maintained non chaotic system that we observe today? Did any of us witness any of these things? No, we didn't yet many of us humans follow the so-called "Educated Guesses" that others have made and believe on their ideas more then an ancient texted that had more chances of fading away than any other. Believe in whatever you like, but don't flame me or take part in this discussion if you have nothing constructive to add to it. I wouldnt see what he said as a flame, just a suggestion as to how the bible may have developed. We know that stories change from as they are passed from person to person, and translation to translation. The only reason you would think the bible is not subject to this is if you believe God preserves the word it contains. So once again, ou believe the bible is valid only if the bible is valid. What is your opinion on creationism koyi? Do you believe genesis to be a literal telling of how the world was created? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 11 2005 05:08pm. |
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i was just reading some background material for my ethics course, and this guys put forward an argument that if a view if immutable (in that he would believe it no matter what, regardless of evidence or everything else arguing against it?), it is not a valid view. Im not trying to challenge anyones faith here, but do any christians here believe that 'god exists, nothing will change my mind' and if so how would you argue against this persons arguement? (ill post it when i have the time to type it up or something) _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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*sniff* I smell a "Thread Closed." in the air. _______________ make install -not war |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Hey guess what..... RELAX. Holy crap. Do jokes exist in your universe, or are they an abomination? And what he wrote was true; you know it as well. People exaggerate stories over time. Ever heard of the one feather that turned into ten hens? And just because it's old, does NOT mean it's true. Give us evidence, and we shall reconsider. While you believe what you want, we'll stick to our "crappy human logic". |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: At first it is "Then we crossed the reed sea, just as it was closing, trapping the egyptians on the other side, and letting us escape." 200 years on: "Then Moses opened up the reed sea, and we crossed over, trapping them on the other side, and letting us escape." Another 300 years "Then Moses used the power of God to open up the red sea, walls of water a mile high, and bringing it down on the egyptians behind us, killing them all, for they were not true believers." Another 2000 Years Koyi: It must be true! Flame much!?! Please be careful what you do here in the Jedi Academy. If you like what it has to offer, obey it's Rules!Prove your account here if your so smart or explain to me how some type of cosmic fart blew the universe into a well maintained non chaotic system that we observe today? Did any of us witness any of these things? No, we didn't yet many of us humans follow the so-called "Educated Guesses" that others have made and believe on their ideas more then an ancient texted that had more chances of fading away than any other. Believe in whatever you like, but don't flame me or take part in this discussion if you have nothing constructive to add to it. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: Yet God did not write the bible. Excageration is still possible IMO. True, God didn't pen the Bible with His own hand. He worked through the Holy Spirit in those who wrote it. God is very clear about the fact that He wrote His Word. Holy men of old spoke as God the Holy Spirit moved them. Quote: If I remember my class well, then this should be in effect: Lesson number 1 in communication skills. Tell a story to your neighbour. The story has changed and won't be the same anymore. Imagine telling it to ten people, and see the story change yet again. A story never remains the same. If it has been passed from generation to generation, you can be sure that it has been altered significantly. This too is true, but the stories are still there and can account for what was recorded in God's Word. I wasn't saying that the stories passed down were perfect, but I can't imagine people believing in the things that the Bible records without any thing backing it up. Even the other religions that the Bible speaks about back then aren't around today to the best of my knowledge, and they were huge with the people living back then and kept infesting God's people with idol worship and such. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't stand the test of time and even with the Bible going through tough times, we have it here today in front of us. What a blessing that God would do this for us. After all, this world is extremely sinful in it's current state, maybe the most it's ever been with all types of mass media, communication, entertainment, pornagraphy, etc. everywhere that nobody really has to live in the here and the now with any type of fear or reverance for God and His Word. Even the churches have taken giant leaps backwards. These are scary times my friend and it was in a time like the one we are currently living that God flooded the world and saved a select few. Unquencable fire approaches next with fervent heat that will melt the elements of the universe. We've gotta try to be ready for it and hopefully with God's blessing we will be spared that fate which we hope for. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: This is an interesting point for me. I refuse to accept that I need God to exist to do good deeds. My good deeds originate from me and me alone, or how can I be said to be a free or good person? Yes, you can do good deeds by yourself for yourself and others in the eyes of men. I didn't mean to make it sound as if nobody can do any good at all without God directing them. The good that we to is just vanity, it's smoke with no real reward or substance. Actually, they may even put us into greater debt for the wages of sin is death. We can fool ourselves into believing that we are doing good for ourselves, good for our neighbors, our country, etc. but what do we really profit from it? Some good feelings? Maybe some type of good reactions in return? In God's eyes it all might very well be vanity where we are puffing up our own egos thinking that we are something great, that we really make a difference in the grand scheme of things, or require some type of payment for what our works have accomplished. Being a free person is an illusion to some degree too. In the Bible, the human race is sold under two kingdoms, the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan. We are taught that from the womb we go into the world sinning and working iniquity, that we are in bondage and desperately need to be freed. A human can wrap the life that is the here (and the now along with this world and what it can do for them) around themselves, but the Bible warns us that this lifetime is just a drop in the ocean compared to eternity. Imagine a tiny drop of water out of all the water in the world! Thats our life here against the spanding eternity to come where we will live and reign with Christ in the new heavens and the new earth or we can live them in eternal damnation with unspeakable torment that will probably be nothing like that which anybody who has ever lived has suffered. I'm looking down the cordors of my life and there probably isn't much time left and I see my fate rapidly approaching begging that I can be steared away from this self-destroying lifestyle that I live by God's good pleasure and mercy. Not that my lifestyle is terrible or anything in the eyes of man and is probably much like anyone elses reading this. I don't do drugs, hang out with the wrong people, own balistics, or fight. Just work, play games, spend time with my woman, and visit my mother who isn't doing to well in the hospital right now as we speak. I do go to a church and am a member in the chior there but I am not a church member or affiliated with it's doctinal teachings. Infact, I argue with some of them about what they preach because they don't want to accept the full council of God and some don't even feel the Bible to be that important. It's the only thing that's really important in this world to God because it's what saves His people. I hope and pray that you are still reaching out to God. I don't know if you ever really believed or if something steared you away from wanting to believe, but there's hope for all of us which is a huge blessing. The day of salvation is at hand and we too can be delivered from our sins. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Gil you are always welcome to this discussion. Dont feel that is what Koyi is saying. Just if you want to have your questions answered, listen to what is being said and yes it will most likely involve some scriptures since that is the basis of this thread, but take it in. I think as a non believer that its awesome that you are still searching for some kind of truth. Dont feel pushed away. I know Koyi would want you here as well. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Scythus Aratan - Student 
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At first it is "Then we crossed the reed sea, just as it was closing, trapping the egyptians on the other side, and letting us escape." 200 years on: "Then Moses opened up the reed sea, and we crossed over, trapping them on the other side, and letting us escape." Another 300 years "Then Moses used the power of God to open up the red sea, walls of water a mile high, and bringing it down on the egyptians behind us, killing them all, for they were not true believers." Another 2000 Years Koyi: It must be true! _______________ Padawan to the great Jacen Aratan! <Setementor> Scythus is a genius! Claimer of the 5000th post in the Count thread [Solitude] scy rocks [Casual] good point scythus, you're really smart This comment was edited by Scythus Aratan on Jan 09 2005 11:07pm. |
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Quote: People can choose to disbelieve this if they want to, but I for one am not going to disagree with what God has said in His Word. Yet God did not write the bible. Excageration is still possible IMO. Quote: I'm sure it was talked down from generation to generation and thats what made the Bible stand the test of time. If I remember my class well, then this should be in effect: Lesson number 1 in communication skills. Tell a story to your neighbour. The story has changed and won't be the same anymore. Imagine telling it to ten people, and see the story change yet again. A story never remains the same. If it has been passed from generation to generation, you can be sure that it has been altered significantly. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Gil-Galad - Student
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Quote: a quick question. do you believe that the bible is an actual recounting ie jesus fed the masses with the fish and bread, or the sotries are more of a parable/metaphor? I too agree with Duffman in saying that most likely it was factual simply because feeding the masses fish and bread on a spiritual level wouldn't make much sense unless I'm missing something. Jesus is the bread of life which comes down from heaven and fishes are the true believers. I can see the first having some spiritual validity, but the second just doesn't make sense when the work of salvation is 100% the work of God. Even the good works that man can be seen doing is God working through them to will and to do of His good pleasure. This is an interesting point for me. I refuse to accept that I need God to exist to do good deeds. My good deeds originate from me and me alone, or how can I be said to be a free or good person? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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I never meant to upset anyone, I'm very sorry Koyi if I was disrespectful. Like Duffman and SmilyKrazy suggested, although I am a non-believer, I engaged in this discussion to ask about the way other people felt about certain things, to see their point of view and perhaps expand my own understanding. However I see your point that this is a bible study thread, and if you feel as a non-believer I have no place here then I'll respect that. In my opinion however, before you study the contents of the Bible, you should study whether or not there is good enough reason to believe it to be the word of God, and then worry about the contents. I would like to echo a lot of what duff said; we all see the same things, and all have access to the same knowledge. However, we choose different ways to interpret them, and explain them. There is no way I can see that anyone can say for definite that God does or does not exist. The problem for me is that believing in God is not like believing in the loch ness monster, we are talking about something pretty huge here. Until there is some much more definitive proof, I refuse to accept the fantastic conclusions religion comes to. To accept the existence of an omnipresent, omnipotent, benevolent, omniscient being goes waaaay beyond any of the evidence we have. Occams Razor: the simplest explanation is almost always the true one. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 11 2005 12:40am. |
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Scythus Aratan - Student
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I would think it would be more likely that it got talked down and people exaggerated it more and more until, hey presto, it's the red sea not a reed sea! But that's just me eh ._______________ Padawan to the great Jacen Aratan! <Setementor> Scythus is a genius! Claimer of the 5000th post in the Count thread [Solitude] scy rocks [Casual] good point scythus, you're really smart |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: a quick question. do you believe that the bible is an actual recounting ie jesus fed the masses with the fish and bread, or the sotries are more of a parable/metaphor? I too agree with Duffman in saying that most likely it was factual simply because feeding the masses fish and bread on a spiritual level wouldn't make much sense unless I'm missing something. Jesus is the bread of life which comes down from heaven and fishes are the true believers. I can see the first having some spiritual validity, but the second just doesn't make sense when the work of salvation is 100% the work of God. Even the good works that man can be seen doing is God working through them to will and to do of His good pleasure. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: Just wanted to hear some christians' opinion on this: Re(e)d Sea. I saw an interesting documentry on T.V. about Moses and his exodus from Egypt studying the life of Ramseys and it made mention of that. Even if it was the Reed Sea as some are believing it to be, the Bible still clearly states that they walked on dry ground and the waters were held back into walls on both sides. People can choose to disbelieve this if they want to, but I for one am not going to disagree with what God has said in His Word. Which sea is of little importance. Fact is, if someone amongst a nation of people suddenly started writting down these records and nobody believed what was written, it would have been quickly dismissed. I'm sure it was talked down from generation to generation and thats what made the Bible stand the test of time. J.M.O. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: koyi, if i can ask, which branch of christianity are you a part of? or do you assosicate yourself with none of them? From the sounds of things, you believe that you havnt been saved, or have lost it or something. Hey Duffman. I'm not saying that I've been saved and have fallen from grace. According to what I read in the Bible I feel that at the moment someone is saved in their life their personality shifts from wanting what the man wants towards wanting what God wants. I would suggest reading back in this thread to catch the salvation discussion and the scriptures I've posted to support my stand on this belief. As for what branch I'm associated with, none. I believe that the churches are no longer a tool used by God toward the saving of His people so I refuse to be a member or follower of any of their false ideas and doctrines.Quote: the bible says it is a free gift, all you need do is ask and accept it. And to my knowledge, there is no biblical referance for losing your salvation. Again, please read back post on this topic. Yes, it is a free gift but God firmly tells us that no one is righteous, no, not one. No one seeks after God. We have all gone out of the way. We have all become unprofitable. There are quite a few scriptures showing us that man on his own will can't work salvation, but I won't go into those verses again unless you would like me to repost them. Also, there is referance to falling from grace and having ones name blotted out of the book of the living. What these mean exactly, I don't know. I still have much to learn, but I'm almost tempted to believe that they are some type of test. God assures us that those He chose unto salvation are safe and secure in His almighty arms and that Jesus didn't lose one of them and that nothing will seperate them from His love. I can't say that I understand those verses and it might be that it's a bad translation. Quote: And if i might make a point......... showing someone proof about some things, and having that proof in the Bible, that person has to accept that book for truth, or at least that there is some truth in it. Proving something right or wrong to someone that doesnt believe as we do can be hard, especialy when they dont accept some of the things we do. As far as the Bible is concerned, unless God moves to remove that individuals spiritual blindness and deafness and gives them a will to follow His commandments (the work of salvation), no body will believe it! God says so in His Word and you can argue that with Him if you like. I'm not trying to sway anybody into believing or not believing. All I'm trying to do is search for truth and share what I've read and retained in good faith that God might save some of us who read the scriptures posted here. Quote: What is right and wrong? Good and evil? Who made them that way? We believe it to be God and his word telling us which is which. But to ohers that don't have that, or don't believe that, what is right and wrong to them is completely different. To them, right and wrong doesnt come from a book, it comes from inside themselves, how they were raised to think and feel. The people that taught them, gave them thier sence of morality. This is basically what I posted in my post. By saying "What do we know?" is implying that our own views are exactly that and we truely know nothing. I understand completely what your saying here and I was trying to make that point as well. Quote: If you want to try and convince them otherwise, find out why they feel as they do. try to think as they do, and put yourself in thier place. Again, not what I'm trying to do with this thread but I was trying to make a few points without any scripture backing it up. Just discussing what was posted really. Quote: Take Gil and I for instance. We have our agruements and disagreements, and sometimes they can get quite violent and vicious . I hope my post isn't preceived as an attack of some kind. That totally isn't my intention at all. I am a little upset however that I did make the rules for this thread and some have felt the need to break those rules for whatever reason they felt that was necessary. I did read that someone once believed which lead me to believe that they to were searching for truth here so I didn't make a stink about it because I walked that road to and here I am. I really hope that this thread is a blessing to all who spend time here either just reading or actively taking part in the discussions. Quote: Keep this thread serious, but also dont let it make you judgemental. Everyone has a right to think as they chose to, and voice them.  This is true, however it is breaking the rules that I set up for this thread. People can believe whatever they want and think whatever they want, but it should in no way, shape, or form be voiced here. For those who don't believe in God or the Bible, doing so is openly disrespecting me and my wishes to keep this a constructive environment where we can all come together to look into God's Word together to discover truth. To a certain degree, their prodding is just flaming the beliefs of others and it is not acceptable. Certain levels of disrespect will not be tolerated here in the Jedi Academy so people should really try to be more careful and respectful to others. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Duffman - Student 
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Quote: a quick question. do you believe that the bible is an actual recounting ie jesus fed the masses with the fish and bread, or the sotries are more of a parable/metaphor? to me, there are parts of the Bible that are an actual recounting of facts, and some that are metaphor's. Try to imagine some of the facts that are attempted to be convayed to us. Read some of revelation, and you will see many metaphors to things we know as facts today. They just couldnt concieve of it then as we do today. But to that incident, i believe that as factual _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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Duffman - Student 
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koyi, if i can ask, which branch of christianity are you a part of? or do you assosicate yourself with none of them? From the sounds of things, you believe that you havnt been saved, or have lost it or something. the bible says it is a free gift, all you need do is ask and accept it. And to my knowledge, there is no biblical referance for losing your salvation. And if i might make a point......... showing someone proof about some things, and having that proof in the Bible, that person has to accept that book for truth, or at least that there is some truth in it. Proving something right or wrong to someone that doesnt believe as we do can be hard, especialy when they dont accept some of the things we do. What is right and wrong? Good and evil? Who made them that way? We believe it to be God and his word telling us which is which. But to ohers that don't have that, or don't believe that, what is right and wrong to them is completely different. To them, right and wrong doesnt come from a book, it comes from inside themselves, how they were raised to think and feel. The people that taught them, gave them thier sence of morality. If you want to try and convince them otherwise, find out why they feel as they do. try to think as they do, and put yourself in thier place. Take Gil and I for instance. We have our agruements and disagreements, and sometimes they can get quite violent and vicious . And reguardless of who was at fault or who started it, in the end we are still friends at the end of it (although that was tested a few times hehe ) and I know that he is a decent person . I hope that he thinks the same of me. People just need to keep a cool head and talk this out quietly and calmly. We all have some level of intelegence, and we are all proud of our beliefs. We need to keep in mind that most ppl believe themselves to be in the right, and just calmly discuss things and not let our pride and our desires get in the way of our feelings twards people.Everyone just take a deep cleansing breath with me *breath in* *hold it* *breathe out* Keep this thread serious, but also dont let it make you judgemental. Everyone has a right to think as they chose to, and voice them. _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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Quote: I mean, if you were to walk through one of the great lakes or any large sea on dry ground with the water being held back in walls, I'm sure that you would tell that to everybody that you knew because that is something truely spectacular. Just wanted to hear some christians' opinion on this: Re(e)d Sea. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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a quick question. do you believe that the bible is an actual recounting ie jesus fed the masses with the fish and bread, or the sotries are more of a parable/metaphor? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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