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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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thewind - Student |
To me, Gil's argument was by far more convincing. edit: yikes! I hope I am not going to hell for posting that!! This comment was edited by thewind on Jan 09 2005 12:21pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: My question is this, what if they prove homosexuality is a genetic mutation or defect, its not by ones choice its mearly how they were born due to their genetic make up. Is that person still damned for all eternity even though they have no say in the matter? If so I find that asinine. My opinion on homosexuality, I don't care, its your life. Live it how it makes you happy. This is a very interesting question, but lets broaden it a bit. God clearly states in His Word that everybody is born into sin. Genetic makeup is thrown out the window now and we all are staring down the barrel of a gun because the wages of sin is death being the second death or eternal damnation. What do we do now? I beg for mercy and read God's Word hoping that salvation will find me God willing. I sit right there in that boat with the homosexuals because I curse, complain, etc. and I'm no better. People are free to have their own opinions to a certain extent until God comes calling and who can resist His will? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: DM, your last comment just highlights to me how following the bible can be an easy way out. An easy way out of thinking for yourself and making your own decisions about what is right and wrong, and how you should live your life. As a humanist, I believe that we should make our on moral decisions based on rational thinking about the effects of our actions on other people. The idea of calling something wrong just because its in a book is alien to me, especially when you almost certainly spend your life picking and choosing which biblical sins to avoid. I would think its a lot easier to hate someone because they are different than to follow most of the other rules in the bible. If the bible says all homosexuals should be killed, then why dont you get to it? Or can the bible be wrong? Okay, let's try to straighten this out a little bit. 1) I don't think DM is Gay bashing at all. He quoted from the Bible bringing more Bible related truth to the subject at hand. 2) The Bible also tells us not to judge others. How can we? Are we some sort of supreme intellegence? Can we honestly say "THIS ONE IS WRONG!" when it is only in our minds view of the situation? Do we understand the full workings of the whole universe, of our galaxy, of our solar system, of our planet, of our eco-system, of our very own bodies, or how about one cell? We may think we know alot, but when you honestly step out of the crap that is human logic WE KNOW NOTHING! With that stated, one can be a aethist (forgive my spelling please), humanist, scientologist, whatever and in the end the bottom line remains the same. Nothing is known. Sure, we may have a few ideas here and there and think we know some pretty important stuff, but look at science. Now here's humanity at it's finest trying to make so called "Educated Guesses" at what they can't possibly messure or make clear fact out of and we stupid humans have the gall to write it down in books as fact. It's okay to be all for humanity if that's your thing. As I said, What do we meaning any of us truely know? Going back to an earlier statement, the one about writing on a piece of paper declaring that it is God who wrote such and such and so and so. Who in this day and age would believe that? Well, some actually would for starters because of all the different divisions in the Christian faith makes that a fact. But seriously, how many would pick up this piece of paper and worship it? I'm willing to guess no one. Let's say an whole book the size of the Bible was written. Would people believe that anymore then the one piece of paper? No. Why? Where is the validity? Where is the fact in what is written? Bottom line is this. The Bible was written over thousands of years (yes by men). Now my mind tells me that the amazing miracles that happened and where written in the Bible would have to line up with stories that were passed down generation to generation for people to trust in it. I mean, if you were to walk through one of the great lakes or any large sea on dry ground with the water being held back in walls, I'm sure that you would tell that to everybody that you knew because that is something truely spectacular. If people witnessed a man with a withered hand receive a blessing and the withered hand became a whole hand, I'm sure it would be talked about. This is why the Bible has stood up to the test of time in my eyes. Can I prove that or put anything on this thread to make you honestly believe this? No, I can't but think about it. If someone told you they met a man that turned a tree into cheese to feed a starving village, you would tell him bullcrap unless others backed up the story. Maybe you would still be in disbelief and you and anybody else has that right. As for the whole sin thing, what DM posted was true. God will forgive anybody any sin except for one. Now is it the role of the reader of the Bible to point their finger at sinners? No! However, if a sinner where to ask us about something we should try to answer the question as faithfully as possible according to the truths held in the Bible. Do we tell them to change their ways? No. Why? What would that do for that individual? Tell a murderer to stop killing people and he does, does that pay for his sins? No, it doesn't. Now one interesting thing I've noticed with the Bible to the best of my knowledge is the fact that anyone who came seeking to be a follower of Christ or asked for forgiveness was forgiven. This baffles me and confuses me greatly compared to what I have posted earlier in this thread. I do remember some people coming to Jesus however asking to be His followers or something like that and one had to bury his father, one had to do something with his land, and another one didn't want to sell all that he had. There may be some light to these examples for Jesus didn't move to make believers out of them. Anyways, with God's Holy Spirit revealing truth to us and indwelling us makes all things possible and leads us to follow His commandments as faithfully as possible. No one here to the best of my knowledge is bashing or attacking gay people. I've heard some of you saying that you have gay friends and they are the nicest people you know. I too have known a few and yes, generally they are nice. So are serial killers, rapist, drug users, two-faced backstabbers, etc. Doesn't make their crimes any less then what they are. God does say that they will be killed, but not by believers or readers of the Bible. The ball has been and always will be in God's court and vengence will be His. I just hope and pray that the Lord's mercy will be enough even for the unbelievers who actively take part in this thread and even just the readers who don't post but are searching for truth as well as all of us who do believe in a God. God is a very merciful God and it can be made availible to anyone at anytime. This is our hope and what we long for and maybe some of us have. I still don't believe I have been saved to this day. Not saying that God won't save me, but I'm praying that He will hear my prayers and have mercy on me soon. Time is still ticking down and the last day, the day of the Lord is approaching and I don't want to be looking at Him in all of His glory from the wrong side of the fence. May God bless everybody who reads this thread and more importantly, His Word. Don't ever put your trust in what I say or what anybody says for that matter. As I stated earler, what do we know. Put all the trust in God and His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Acey Spadey - Student 
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so it kinda comes down to if you feel you have sinned in your own eyes, can you truly forgive yourself another think to remember is that "God" or "Jesus" did not write the bible. It was written by men with beliefs. It has been revised and re-written many times, so perhaps translations are lost where the view of one area could have changed entirely . _______________ .Lag Bro to Xanatos. Adopted Twin to Bubu. Big-Brother to SmilyKrazy ---- JATSRAD Guru, JASE Member, JA SP Mod Staff ---- The Order of the Stick -- Big thanks to Mango for my avatar -- Quote: Sometimes you've got to specifically go out of your way to get into trouble. It's called fun.
Quote: (Random hella old quote) <Fizz of Belouve> .. in sovjet russia, cereals spit at YOU!
Quote: whats the point of growing up, if your not allowed to act childish!
Padawan - Henkes
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Quote: Gil Gilad can you answer me this? What do you base your opinions on? Your own thoughts? So do you feel that your thoughts are superior to almighty Gods word? If so im scared for you my friend.  If he doesn't believe in a god, then how can he think himself superior to one? I never quite got that he didnt believe in God from his posts. He is searching for some kind of truth by coming here and questioning things. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Quesi - Student 
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I knew somebody would reply with that What it actually means is discuss your wrongs with God, accept your sinful way and show you are right with God again. I'll also quote these same verses from the original translation: 'I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.' I hope that makes it a little clearer. Declare you sin, so you are justified before God once again. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great This comment was edited by Quesi on Jan 08 2005 04:32pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Isaiah 43 : 25-26 'I, I am the One who forgives all your sins, for my sake; I will not remember your sins. But you should remind me. Let's meet and decide what is right. Tell what you have done and show you are right.' if I would read that, it would say: "some things are open for discussion. Convince me that what you did/were doing, was the right thing" _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
Want to know Vladarion? Read the Article about his life here. This comment was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Jan 08 2005 04:20pm. |
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Quesi - Student
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I already posted my opinion on the matter As for the genetic make-up thing, I personally don't believe it. I think that's as likely as somebody having a genetic make-up that tells them to marry then commit adultery. Even so, if *it is* then I think that everybody has some desires sometimes that are wrong, but it is our responsibility to make sure we don't act them out. Homosexuals aren't damned, the saving grace of God just has to be asked for, sincerely. Isaiah 43 : 25-26 'I, I am the One who forgives all your sins, for my sake; I will not remember your sins. But you should remind me. Let's meet and decide what is right. Tell what you have done and show you are right.' God doesn't damn people as soon as they commit sin. He is willing to FORGET your sins if you turn to him and say you are truly sorry. He is merciful and compassionate to those who turn to him. God's grace is open for all; no exceptions. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great |
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-=Shimon=- - Student 
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ok, if any 1 need some help, i could help 2 This comment was edited by -=Shimon=- on Jan 08 2005 02:23pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: Gil Gilad can you answer me this? What do you base your opinions on? Your own thoughts? So do you feel that your thoughts are superior to almighty Gods word? If so im scared for you my friend. If he doesn't believe in a god, then how can he think himself superior to one? |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Now just to clarify things. About the homosexuality discussion. Us as humans have the right to think and feel as we wish about homosexuals. Do I have an issue with gay people, no I dont. They have a right to be who they are 100%. It seems to me that most of you feel the same way. However this is a bible study thread. I only ask that if you post your opinion here, please use scripture to back up your beliefs because this forum is a thread where we can try and discover truth from the bible. Darth Mobility and Quesi are the only ones really with scriptures and are trying to seek the truth. I think it would benefit more people to have some scriptures here as opposed to the "I think this and that" comments. The bottom line is the bible states that homosexuality is wrong in Gods eyes. He is the judge not us. So if you feel its right or wrong, thats up to you. But God is the judge and he will judge those kinds of people as so. Just my $.02. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Jan 08 2005 11:51am. |
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Gil Gilad can you answer me this? What do you base your opinions on? Your own thoughts? So do you feel that your thoughts are superior to almighty Gods word? If so im scared for you my friend. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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DM, your last comment just highlights to me how following the bible can be an easy way out. An easy way out of thinking for yourself and making your own decisions about what is right and wrong, and how you should live your life. As a humanist, I believe that we should make our on moral decisions based on rational thinking about the effects of our actions on other people. The idea of calling something wrong just because its in a book is alien to me, especially when you almost certainly spend your life picking and choosing which biblical sins to avoid. I would think its a lot easier to hate someone because they are different than to follow most of the other rules in the bible. If the bible says all homosexuals should be killed, then why dont you get to it? Or can the bible be wrong? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Kay Matar - Student 
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The Word says "don't judge and you won't be" (sorry, i'm frenchspeaking, therefore when I read The Bible, I read it in french. Feel free to correct me anytime on quotes). I know gay people, I had a gay co-worker and he was one of the nicest person i ever met, we can't judge him. still we shouldn't get homophobic and get all crazy because some is gay, "love each others like I love you all" ?...that's what I think. Maybe it is wrong ? But I won't judge, never _______________ Former Senior Padawan to Luke Skywalker, Aquainted to SmilyKrazy, Koyi Donita, Virtue, Mace Windu ...Friend to (SKX)Dark Blade, Jello'/ If I forgot you come and hit me ! |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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You know, honestly I have gay friends too, love em'. Not an issue there. I just try to judge things by the Word. That way it is not MY OPINION formed cause I am a jerk or something. Dont get me wrong, because I have my things too. But this thread is about the Bible and studying it. And what I have posted strictly lines up with the Word and that is the end of it. But I personally dont have anything against gay's, at all. And as far atonement, it falls in line with the same way everything else does. God does save, deliver and heal, but you have to want it. Thats all. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Acey Spadey - Student
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how would a homosexual atone for this "sin" then? do they force themselves not to like the same sex? when its a decision of the heart body mind and soul. I work with a gay guy and he's a great bloke to have as a friend. Also are "homosexuals" judged by how they appear in media. queer eye for a straight guy. or is it a sin to portray a gay guy within a movie. [that kevin kline movie ( forgot the name of it)]. _______________ .Lag Bro to Xanatos. Adopted Twin to Bubu. Big-Brother to SmilyKrazy ---- JATSRAD Guru, JASE Member, JA SP Mod Staff ---- The Order of the Stick -- Big thanks to Mango for my avatar -- Quote: Sometimes you've got to specifically go out of your way to get into trouble. It's called fun.
Quote: (Random hella old quote) <Fizz of Belouve> .. in sovjet russia, cereals spit at YOU!
Quote: whats the point of growing up, if your not allowed to act childish!
Padawan - Henkes
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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I judge the sin not the sinner and regardless of what ANYONE says, homosexuality is a sin and an abomination. But no sin is greater than another, but committing a sin and recognizing that sin, and asking for forgivness is different then wrapping an entire lifestyle around it which most homosexuals do, at least the ones I know, and I know alot of them. Great friends with them too, just for the record. But it is sinful and un-natural and I will never accept it as normal, ever. But I will love the person, period. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jan 07 2005 09:34pm. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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The thing with homosexuality that gets to me is when the state gets involved. Does the government have the right to judge whether it's right or wrong? I thought only God had that right, if he exists. _______________ make install -not war |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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A good question Orion. Another is that animals constantly engage in homosexual activity, so how can it be said that its not natural? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 07 2005 05:09pm. |
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Orion - Retired 
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My question is this, what if they prove homosexuality is a genetic mutation or defect, its not by ones choice its mearly how they were born due to their genetic make up. Is that person still damned for all eternity even though they have no say in the matter? If so I find that asinine. My opinion on homosexuality, I don't care, its your life. Live it how it makes you happy. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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Anyone seen the movie Dogma? *ducks and covers his head* _______________ make install -not war |
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Quesi - Student
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Acey, a few posts down might answer some of your questions. But in short, homosexuality is listed as a sin in the Bible (Leviticus 18:22). No, it is not any worse of a sin than any of the others listed (I wrote a little bit about this a few days ago on new year's eve). We shouldnt look at whether a sin is worse or better than another sin, because at the end of the day, it doesnt matter. According to the Bible, we shouldnt commit them at all. Love itself is along a sliding scale, and I think we all know we love our mother or father in a different way to our girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife, etc. Jesus loved his fellow disciples as friends, and loved their companionship. You surely must have friends who you love, although you would never admit to it :p What is my own view on homosexuality? My view is that were not made to be that way. Man goes with woman. Man does not go with man, woman does not go with woman - that is the way the world goes. For those of you science driven people out there, this is a consistent trend and is the reason for the growth of mankind. Single sex relationships cannot result in reproduction. And if it does, I don't think its within natural or moral bounds. As for Adam and Eve, Adam probably was a bit angry at Eve for giving him the apple. However, notice that Adam was quick to blame Eve for eating the fruit, as actually taking the fruit and eating it was entirely his own choice, yet he fails to see his own faults. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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It does say that it is a sin in the bible, but no more of a sin than wearing nylon  _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 07 2005 01:16pm. |
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Acey Spadey - Student
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heres a curious thought.. not meant to offend or anything if it does.. just a stray thought.. by the bible (correct me if I'm wrong of course) it specified that Adam only consumed some of the evil apple cause Eve had taken a bite herself and offered it to him... could it be that Adam was annoyed or angered to eve for what she did? and what is it about homosexuality that is so wrong. one man cannot love another? yet jesus was surrounded by 13 men. did he not love them? if its the "sexual" side of it. Doesn't the church frown on sex in general? if they don't.. why do priests take a vow of celibacy? or is there a specific line within the bible in which it stats one should not have sexual relations with another of the same sex? also if it was such a "great sin" why wasn't it one of the commandments? just some thoughts.. oh yeah *steals smily's chocolate* _______________ .Lag Bro to Xanatos. Adopted Twin to Bubu. Big-Brother to SmilyKrazy ---- JATSRAD Guru, JASE Member, JA SP Mod Staff ---- The Order of the Stick -- Big thanks to Mango for my avatar -- Quote: Sometimes you've got to specifically go out of your way to get into trouble. It's called fun.
Quote: (Random hella old quote) <Fizz of Belouve> .. in sovjet russia, cereals spit at YOU!
Quote: whats the point of growing up, if your not allowed to act childish!
Padawan - Henkes
This comment was edited by Acey Spadey on Jan 07 2005 12:30pm. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Gil I dont mind if people are homosexual. I am not one to judge other peoples actions. But the bible does state that its against Gods wishes and it is a sin. But since you dont believe in the bible I find it hard to back up this belief for I do believe in the bible 100%. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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