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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Yes homosexual or gay is generally fine I think. And they never liked being called queers to the best of my knowledge. Do you have a reason for feeling so strongly about it apart from the bibles condemnation of it? Have you considered the only reason its in the bible is because the people who wrote the bible felt that way about homosexuals? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Sorry, did not mean to be offensive. Not that I care about being politcally correct, but in my mind, Black is Black - White is White - Gravy is Gravy and Queers are Queers. I could be like God and call them an abomination, but I chose a slightly less damning term. When did they decide they did not want to be called queers anyways? Should I use homosexual or gay? I am from USA, btw. A land where the ACLU is on the rise and no matter what you say or think, someone, somewhere is going to be offended. But I apologize just the same. I dont aim to offend anyone at anytime. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jan 07 2005 12:07am. |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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Faith can be a very productive thing, I would not criticise your decision to take that leap of faith. The only problem I have is the dangerous and immoral beliefs that following the bible or other holy books can cause. A good example being regarding homosexuals (not "queers" by the way DM, I'm not sure about where you live, but in Britain thats a very offensive term). Believing Jesus was the son of God is one thing. Believing that all homosexuals or followers of other religions will all burn in hell is another. Another that causes immense suffering across the world. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 06 2005 10:36pm. |
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Quesi - Student 
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Of course that point is always the one in contention; it is all a matter of whether you believe it or not. I choose to believe. I recommend a book to you. It is called 'Who moved the stone?' by Frank Morrison. A very interesting study, if you care to read it, I'd love to hear your opinions Why do I choose to believe? Simple word: faith. In my faith I am made right with God. As for the actual belief in God, check out what's around you right now and i fail to believe it all to be coincidence. Life must have a deeper and true meaning than just existence and then non-existence. As for the Bible, it is a guidebook to God's theme park. Also, I think you'll agree, what the Bible says is generally moral and good in its teachings for everyone. I just take that to a higher level with my faith. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan]  [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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A. God is benevolent. B. God is omnipotent. C. A benevolent being seeks to eliminate suffering. D. An omnipotent being has the capability to eliminate suffering. E. Following from C & D, if an omnipotent and benevolent being existed, there would be no suffering. F. There is suffering in the world. G. Therefore, no benevolent and omnipotent being exists. H.Therefore, God does not exist. Im not saying its right, but peoples thoughts? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 06 2005 09:18pm. |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Quesi: there are several reasons why someone would write that book that I can think of, and of them the least likely one is divine inspiration. I agree their are some things in the bible that are fact. I agree there probably was a man named Jesus crucified. It may well have been because he went around telling everyone he was the son of God. Whether or not he was is the crucial point, and the one in contention. Also, whether the bible says homosexuality is immoral or not doesn't matter in the slightest to me. I have a mind of my own, and can therefore see that there is nothing wrong with a man sleeping with another man. If you can give me any good reason to think there is except for 'god says so' then I will rethink my opinion on that. SmilyKrazy: I used to believe in God. Now I dont, and I am now a humanist. The things that back up my beliefs are science, the things anyone can see going on around them, and common sense. I dont need a book written over hundreds of years, full of hypocricy and superstition to tell me how to act or to be a good person. I can care about other people for the sake of caring about them, not because a book tells me to. And no I dont believe that there is no afterlife, I just think I have no reason to say that I know what happens after we die, and nor does anyone else. A question, just out of curiosity, why do you believe in God? And why do you believe the bible is anything more than just a book? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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oh and just briefly on the Queer issue..... Romans 1:24-32: 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. OH AND........  The idea that we will percieve from this is that, the subjectees and the watchers are all doomed. The very act or sight is an abomination and, though you may believe in God, you are a God hater! Doesn't leave you with much choice does it? But let's look at this: You shall not lie with man as one lies with a women; this is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22 If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death. Leviticus 20:13 Pretty Hard core... -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Quesi - Student
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I am not one to judge. I would not want to impose my beliefs upon them, unless asked. Jesus said check out the plank in your own eye before you poke at the splinter in somebody else's. Besides that, all people deserve their own time to form their belief in what is right and wrong, and how they want to lead their lives. And being gay isn't any worse of a sin than a number of other sins, and as we all know, all sins are equally forgiveable with God's grace and mercy, if asked for. I finally will add my comment about the Tsunami. To start off, I want to say, God despairs over and hates evil. Check out Noah's flood in Genesis - God was even sorry he made us at one point. None of us are perfect human beings, and equally none of us can answer to him. We could debate eternally and never truly know God's will, that is, until (or if) we finally make our way up into our next life with God. I'm not going to argue with any of you, we are all entitled to our opinions, and it would be a fruitless exercise to try and sway the opinions the others when such a disaster has arised. What I would like to comment on is the unity it has brought among the people of the world. I think it is a wake up call for us all, we need to value our time in this life. I personally thank God now that I am living and breathing right here, right now. We all have questions that demand answers, that is ultimately our drive in life. All I can say is, be prepared. As a Christian, I believe death is not the end. Death is a hard thing for us to take and understand. On the face of it, we are all too quick to despair and not see the bigger picture. God has plans for us all. No man or woman on this earth is entirely innocent, we are all are at God's mercy, true, but we can ALL be saved. And what does God plan for us all? 1 Corinthians 15 : 20-26 'But Christ has truly been raised from the dead - the first one, and proof that those who sleep in death will also be raised. Death has come because of what one man did, but the rising from death also comes because of one man. In Adam all of us die. In the same way, in Christ all of us will be made alive again. But everyone will be raised to life in the right order. Christ was first to be raised. When Christ comes again, those who belong to him will be raised to life, and then the end will come. At that time Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities and powers, and he will hand over the kingdom of God to God the Father. Christ must rule until he puts all his enemies under his control. The last enemy to be destroyed will be death.' What is life? Life is an oppurtunity given by God to do what we please, such as we have freewill. When we encounter a natural disaster such as this tsunami, we unite, we fight for our well being. God never made the road to be easy going. As a Christian, I await with anticipation for what the Lord will bring. Rest assured, those people who died, those with good hearts and minds and truly believed have something better now than they ever had in this life. All I can say is, what awaits us all is not Life after Death, but Death before our future life. If we are all prepared, what a wonderful thing that will be _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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(Matthew 24:3-7) 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,[a]’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying its power" (2 Timothy 3:1-5). Sounds like today to me..... -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Gil-Gilad do you believe in God? Just curious because by your post it does not seem so. If you dont believe in the bible then you really dont have anything to back up your beliefs. The only way to know the true word of God is to read his book. I mean dont you see? God has given us a great gift! He didnt have to give us anything at all. We could all be lost people living our lives with no clue as to what the future holds after this life. Or maybe you are one of those people that believe there is nothing after death. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Jan 06 2005 08:41pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: As for 'ambiguousness', I dont think the words can be any clearer. Don't do with a man as you would a woman. Doesn't sound ambiguous to me. Homosexuality is a SIN. There isn't anything more to it than that. And those that preach otherwise are not opening their eyes truly to God's holy word. so ... what do you do when you meet someone who is gay? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Quesi - Student
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Why would several men bother write a book needlessly? And it is proven that many of the written events in the Bible are FACT. A man named Jesus existed. He was crucified. You have to figure out for yourselves why, but I think if you are a Christian that should be obvious to you. As for 'ambiguousness', I dont think the words can be any clearer. Don't do with a man as you would a woman. Doesn't sound ambiguous to me. Homosexuality is a SIN. There isn't anything more to it than that. And those that preach otherwise are not opening their eyes truly to God's holy word. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great This comment was edited by Quesi on Jan 06 2005 07:32pm. |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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Well I am very sorry Koyi but it seems to me you are suggesting that perhaps the tsunami could have been punishment from God. I won't bother responding to this because I'll get all upset and angry and stuff. I will ask why exactly do innocent people have to suffer for the sins of others? If god does exist, he certainly isnt the kind of fellow I want to spend my time worshipping. About the bible, if I wrote on a piece of paper: 'hello this is god speaking, please stop comitting atrocities in my name, and kindly leave me and the lad well out of your warped system of control you call religion. Thanks a lot. Also, you will know that this is God, because it says so. See: this is God. obviously there is no arguing with this logic, so dont try. Also, no-one can ever change any part of this, because it says so. Bad things will happen to them, like the boogy man coming. Thanks for listening, God (via St. Gil-Galad, you know, divine inspiration and all that). P.S. its ok to be gay, stop interpreting ambigiousness in the bible as what you want to hear, and concentrate on the more specific sins, like wearing artificial materials. Please start following that one, we havent had anyone up here for half a millennium.' and showed it to you, would you believe it? Wouldnt have thought so. I see no more reason to follow the bible than this. Oh and duff, that point about sitting down with god and straightening a few things out has crossed my mind a lot, I almost wish he does exist for the ALMIGHTY argument we would have. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Quesi - Student
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OK this post is going to take a while for me, I've been looking through some relevant stuff. I just want to address the issue regarding the modification of the Bible, I've found the particular passage in Revelation that you speak of. Revelation 22 vs 18 - 19: 'I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds anything to these words, God will add to that person the disasters written about in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away that one's share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are written about in this book.' I believe that all the writers who contributed to the Bible, those hands had the will of God within them. I believe the Bible is a true and divine tool sent by God himself to spread the message to His people. I believe that God would want it to stay that way. And the above verses written in the Bible show to us God's intent that the Bible will not change. Anybody God willing enough to read the Bible and those verses would know that to change those holy words would be great foolishness and bring about disastrous consequences for themselves. This is why I think the Bible must have stood the test of time. Despite all the translations, God's holy word is there, unchanged. Let me gather my thoughts a bit before I post again [edit] eurgh, ill have to leave this one for tonight, ill pick it up tomoz. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great This comment was edited by Quesi on Jan 05 2005 10:10pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Does this action make me question my faith? Am I asking questions like, "Is this something God has caused"? or "Why would God allow this to happen"? No. Not at all. Why? Because we will never clearly have the answers to such questions. I do believe that God allowed this terrible event to happen. Why would he do such a terrible thing? Maybe we should try to answer some questions like these first. Why do we rebel against His love? Why don't we follow His commandments perfectly from start to finish? I know alot of so-called christians will say that God is a God of love and mercy and kindness. The same are from which the questions rise from. Why? Because they don't take the whole message of the Bible with them. Now am I saying God isn't a God of love, etc? No, He most definitely is, but He is also a Righteous, Lawful, Jealous, Vengful, and Wrathful God. When we sin, payment must be met! Some want to believe that God in the person of Jesus Christ payed for the sins of the whole world, yet Jesus only prayed for those whom the Father gave Him. He prayed not for the whole world, but those who were His. This terrible event along with all of the terrible events both by nature and by man are just a Sunday Church picnic compared to the aweful wrath of God's judgement which will come to a great many. What a blessing this type of thing really is for us. Don't get me wrong, it is truely aweful but it gives us a clear picture of our own mortality. It instantly brings God to our minds in thought. We begin to seek answers all of which wouldn't come from alot of people. I myself thank God that His long suffering still endures to this very day and thank Him that I still have breath and thank Him for His wonderful Word and thank Him that nothing that aweful has happened to me. I truely don't know what I would do if I survived something like that and if I didn't who knows if I would be forgiven my sins. I believe that one's personality changes the moment they receive the Holy Spirit and I have changed to seek out God in His Word but I haven't really changed in my evil ways. God has allowed/shown us something very important and it shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt as most humans probably will saying to themselves, "Oh, how terrible!" and continue their lives without much impact taking place. We aught to be falling to our knees begging God for His mercy and praying for our loved ones whom are still with us when we see something this dreadful. It could have been us! That could have been Judgement Day where none would have escaped save those that God would have spared!! Let us support the survivers, pray for the survivers, and for one another for we all have been blessed with a wake-up call. May God bless each and every one of you in this dark hour. May He lead you in His Word and make children of righteousness out of all of us. Praise the Lord that today is the day of salvation and we still have time. Praise God for His long suffering with us rebellious humans. Thanks be to God for giving us hope that is found in His Son Jesus Christ. May His mercy be enough for all of us. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Duffman - Student 
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yes, that is also a good thing. I went to my church recently, and they held a service specificly for the victims in asia. we held an auction for our overseas missionarys just recently, and ppl had given generously then, and some were concnerned that they might not have enough extra money afterwards to give to another needy cause. I dont know the exact number, but I do know that my church did collect money that will go 100% to help the victims of this tragic event. _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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Jade - Student 
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Tsunami was/is a very sad event. I feel very sorry for those who have been affected. On a positive note, it has to a certain point united a lot of countries leaders and people. I hope that this is a slap in the face for those leaders with pride and a knock on the head for those leaders who are stubborn. Basicaly a wake up call for us all that "HEY! we are all human, we feel, we bleed, we hurt, we cry". Be nice to each other. I only know that the people of the UK have spoken throught their actions in a sense shamed the government. The government originally donated £15 million. The peoples response was to donate £60 million in 1 week from their own pockets (approx £1000 per hour...I think). Let those with doubt look at the reactions of the countries people even if the countries leaders are despised.... I really wish for peace and for people to be good to each other...:-( Lastly, I sometimes look at those departed (those I once knew) as being lucky....they finally get to be with God. I look forward to that day and if I do go the other way, my wish is to get the chance just to say thank you before I decend. Just my thoughts for today. Peace to you all and remember a simple good deed such as saying hello to someone you normally dont can actually make the sun shine brighter. "Without God, we are nothing" Jade _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" |
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Duffman - Student
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For me, its a matter of math. Take into acount the possibility that this world rests in just the right position to support any form of life as we know it- The possibility that a planet like this has life at all- the possibility that such a planet has INTELEGENT life- The possibility that intelegent life has come to the point where we can comunicate over something as complex as the internet and have complex discusions about weither or not God exsists- Put all those possibilities and you get the probability that we are on this world, with life on it, some of that life is intelegent, and we are complex enough to have a conversation like this on a network of machines made by our hand, and have several religions that we can debate over endlessly and not cover everything - combine all that and get the final probablity that we will be having this convorsation right here and now, and it is very very unlikely that such a thing would happen on its own, which means that there is something out there with a hand in our being here and now. as to the verious bad things that happen in the world - there are several basic types of ideas that are generaly used. Bad things happen on both small and large scales. Why would God allow something like a spitefull word to someone cause emotional pain? Why would he let a flood happen that changes the landscape dramaticly and take many lives and affect so much more? One thought process, which I dont personaly believe, is that it is a from of punishment. Others accept that bad things happen, and do what they can to help. Many others DO question the existance of God. Everyone's walk with the Lord is personal, and is between themselves and God. I know that I had a time when I questioned God, and it was very personal to me. There are still times when I do ask "Why?" But I acept the fact that those questions arnt always answerd. Believe me, when I meet God in the next life, I have a long list of questions that I can't wait to ask him again, and hope to get a responce I understand. The biggest questions don't always have answers, the importance is in the asking, and coming to terms with them. It is a matter of faith, not fact. _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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Khâ D'Kana - Student 
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I will try to express my point of view in english. But it's something that will take at least an afternoon of explication to be clear enough... Personnally I think when God gave us free will, he stopped to personnally take part to human problems. He's still taking action through people who have the faith. But he's not directly intervening. So with free will, we've the good AND the bad... And we could maybe think about what provokes so big earthquakes... Do some nuclear essays made in the pacific have something to do with them ? my 2 cents, -Khâ D'Kana _______________ In light of day, nor dark of night, no evil shall escape our sight. Proud member of the D'Kana family |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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The idea of never questioning your faith is a pretty fundamentalist one. The Church of England is fairly liberal, and take the stance that questioning your faith is a healthy and natural thing to do, which I agree with. Myself, I fail to see how any religious person with a conscience and an ability to think for themselves cannot have at least some doubts when events like this go on in the world around us. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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What happened with the Tsunami is a horrible event. And if an archbishop is questioning God then he does not deserve to be in his position. How can you teach about faith and love when you dont have it yourself? I dont blame God for any of these events. I dont remember what verse this is from but I believe it to be from revelations. Where God actually describes horrible natural disasters occurring near the end of the world. Now im not saying that this is happening now, but you never know. This may be just the first of many bad things to come. Everything that happens in the world is according to Gods perfect plan. As much as this Tsunami sucked. I believe God had a reason for it. Something that us humans cant understand. I would never blame God for something such as this. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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The archibishop of Canterbury, the highest ranking clergyman in the Church of England has said publicly that the earthquake that just hit Asia, causing the death of 130,000 people made him have doubts about God. How about everyone else, do events like this make you question your faith? If not, how do you explain them? I myself find it impossible to reconcile events like this with the existence of a benevolent God, but I would be interested to hear what the Christians amongst us think. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Duffman - Student 
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Well, I will attepmt to find the scriptures to back this up, but this is my opinion on the matter. There is a verse saying that the word of God is above reproff or reporch. While there are many different translations, and many different people have had their hand in what was said, but at the very least, the themes have stood the test of time. I wouldn't dismiss everything over the bad actions of a few people. Few in the grand scheme of things you understand. And there have been problems with churches in the past, look at the great reformation that happend due to the coruption in the catholic church. The good, moral people you speak of, for the christian religion to exist at all today, many good and moral people gave thier lives and thier time to keep the ideals of Jesus Christ alive. I can not believe that the lives of so many good people was for not. Over time, some of the scriptures might have been lost, changed, and whatnot - but good people would have kept things the way they were intended. And take the first 5 books of the bible. they are also involved in the jewish faith. And for 2 religions that don't get along on a fundamental level to keep the same versions of the same words......that streches my imagination to far. So unless there is some mass-conspirisy working between those 2 religions, the bible has its fundamental basis for what is right and what is wrong that has remained relativly unchanged. also- If there is one thing history has shown us, is to hold those in charge acountable and question them. Don't believe something that someone in authority say it is the way it is. I am going to college to be a scientist, and i question all facts that are presented to me simply because it is the prudent thing to do, and if someone has been wrong, someone else down the line will catch it, or find the one error they made and fix the problem with that particualr therom or whatever. God and religion are not like this. It is not a matter of fact, it is a matter of faith. There are facts that point to the exsistance of someone called Jesus durring the time he was said to have lived. There are facts to many things, and those facts can be interpreted many different ways. By finding the answers that God has for us on our own, instead of merely listening to the priest or paster or whatever term is used for the person that delievers the word of God, it brings us closer to him, and we follow his way more closely then we did before. I hope that made some sence , and I will try and find those verses I wanted. (if i do, i use the King James version, not always the easist to understand) _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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I'm sorry but I don't trust the bible one bit. I do think there were writings from Jesus and a little bit of it's "original" meaning has been retained in the bible. But not everything that was writin or said by Jesus made it into the bible. Long ago, Priests gathered to make a new Bible, one they could all use and agree on. Some things were left out and others not. It's hard to believe that over thousands of years people haven't change a few things or added a few things along the line of what they thought was right or moral. I think the Church has become more of a business more than a religous haven for believers. Churches don't want or have to pay taxes to the government, but yet they think they should have a say it what the gov. does. They have prtected PEDO priests to protect their "name". Refused to bless or baptise(spelling?) people because of their sexual prefrences. Which is saying that they are a better human being than that person. That they shouldn't have the right to worship the God they love and trust. There are many sins. Some I believe unforgivable. But some sins have become sins simply because of the churches will. The God I believe in I think will love all his children. As long as they try to live their lives good, with vlaues and morals. If they raise their children to belive in God and to teach them same values. To show them right from wrong. To just be a good person in general. To get a good feeling when you help someone. Thats what I think. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Again, I would just like to add please don't trust me and what I say especially without scripture backing it up. Let God be true and every man a liar. The question on sin to my best estimate off of what has already been studied is correct and I will try to search out the other scriptures that I said I will look for. I've been so busy as of late and I'm sorry for the delay. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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