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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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ooh yeah I remember a book in the bookstore that was the story of Jesus' life in bookform. it was told like a real story, as any other story would be written, and it was kind of cool Perhaps something to make more people read the Bible? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Quesi - Student 
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Hey hey everyone hope you all had a very Merry Christmas and and recieved the wonderful message and blessing that comes with it. I'd like to tell you all of something I've found great. It's a certain gift I've recieved and I don't know if any of you have heard of it before. It is called 'The street bible'. (bible with a little 'b'). Why? Well, in the author's own words - he has 'created an overview of the basic story of God and 'his people' as told by a twenty first century storyteller'. It's not The Bible. The Bible for us all holds very deep lessons to be learnt, and can give meaningful insight into our lives. However, for some of us, the Bible can be an episodic read that is sometimes difficult to comprehend. I sometimes find it difficult to trudge through passages and keep focused in Bible study, and I constantly struggle to make time for it, obviously the time being there but without the drive to do it. (My lack of contribution is probably evidence of this, I painfully admit). For people who are like minded or just want a different read, I recommend this to you  By no means, this is NOT a replacement of The Bible; for the true Word and blessing that God gives us, read the original. This gives a fresh insight for what the Bible is about - it challenges the claim that the Bible is confusing and outdated.- 'This is not THE Bible (capital B) ... but it might just get you reaching for one.' For those who've never read the Bible, and for those who've read it too much. Check it out the street bible by Rob Lacey /end shameless promotion edit: btw, I think the passage you refer to is Job 9:11, it has something of similar nature. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan]  [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great This comment was edited by Quesi on Dec 26 2004 04:24pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: Hi Koyi, everyone, I have a question. Does anyone know where in the scriptures it says something like "dont blame God for mans evil acts"...obviously not the exact words. Jade, I do kinda remember reading something remotely like this and I will try to search it out for you a.s.a.p.. Sorry for the delay in the response. Also, I do believe some of what Bail has said holds some truth, but the story of Job really hit me good when I read it. I find his three? friends to sound alot like religious people of our day and they were all wrong while Job was preaching to them what I thought was exceedingly wrong and it was held as truth in the sight of God. Simply amazing and so many lessons and truths lie in those scriptures. I will have to read them again sometime soon. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Hi Koyi, everyone, I have a question. Does anyone know where in the scriptures it says something like "dont blame God for mans evil acts"...obviously not the exact words. Someone I once knew said this and I have never been able to find it. It has great meaning to me so if anyone can help I would be very greatful. Thanks in advance Your friend always Jade I believe that would be the parable of Job (not sure if that's correct in English) The man with a nice wife, a lot of children and rich beyond comparison? Then loses it all? People tell him: "Blame god!" and he doesn't, and gets everything back and even more because of it? The main moral was: "Don't blame God for something that happens!" I could be wrong though... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Jade - Student 
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Hi Koyi, everyone, I have a question. Does anyone know where in the scriptures it says something like "dont blame God for mans evil acts"...obviously not the exact words. Someone I once knew said this and I have never been able to find it. It has great meaning to me so if anyone can help I would be very greatful. Thanks in advance Your friend always Jade _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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It's exceedingly easy for anybody to mislead any one at any time. Especially when God warns us about how Satan has the power to make himself appear as a messager of light and his followers ministers of righteousness. It is very easy for us to get preconceived ideas of what/who God is or make our own gods out of the passages we like to hear in the Bible. We need to be 100% faithful and ready to humbly accept what God tells us in His Word no matter how ugly or unpleasing the language gets. God is God and His Word can't have anything added or removed from it. Otherwise, we aren't standing behind the whole council of God. Let God be true and every man a liar. Every man. Even me. I trust that everyone checks out what I post for themselves in the Bible to see for themselves. Please don't put your trust in anything I say or in what anyone says for that matter. Trust in God's Word for it is what was given to us by God to lead us to salvation God willing. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: JUST FYI, the Pope, nor any man for that matter adequately represents God unless he is quoting directly from the Word. All else is opinion and of course, failable. -DM- but it's easy to fool those who can't read, like the pope did, now isn't it? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: he acutally said that latly? i know that he acutally signed papers what allowed crusaders to kill people who dident want to convert or something. ah and ill say this fast , i mean no offense against to noone in my posts yeah I had to learn that last year for my History classes. (The 'great' history of Europe ) _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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JUST FYI, the Pope, nor any man for that matter adequately represents God unless he is quoting directly from the Word. All else is opinion and of course, failable. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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he acutally said that latly? i know that he acutally signed papers what allowed crusaders to kill people who dident want to convert or something. ah and ill say this fast , i mean no offense against to noone in my posts _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. This comment was edited by VirusD on Dec 16 2004 08:09pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: well i think he cant just becouse his god lol. ah and a nother guestion , what do you think of the crusades? the men who spreaded the word of god by slaving nations and killing many. not to mention the Pope saying: "Oh don't worry. it isn't a sin to kill non-Christians" _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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VirusD - Student
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well i think he cant just becouse his god lol. ah and a nother guestion , what do you think of the crusades? the men who spreaded the word of god by slaving nations and killing many. _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: a guestion... if he will have no other god before him etc..then why dosent he punish all the people who dont belive in him and worhsip allah or someone else? The fact is, according to God's Word, all nations and all peoples who follow other gods will be punished on the last day. Jesus also warns us that there will be a number of people that will approach Him on that day saying Lord, Lord, have we not done many might miracles in your name and have we not cast out many devils in your name and prophecied in your name. To these people who are calling upon the Lord, obviously so-called believing on the Lord He will say Depart from me ye workers of iniquity, for I never knew you. For these people all around the world that have set up their own gospels and preconceived ideas (making a false god out of what they know about God) this may very well be their fate too. God's not the lunatic, we are. If you grow a plant or create a pot out of clay and then decide to smash it because it's a flawed creation, that's your choice. If you make something fitted unto destruction, that's your choice as well. If we can do these things and not even bat an eye at them, why can't God? Who are we to judge something so much more infinately wonderful then our sin tainted selves? That's just the way I look at it. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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VirusD - Student
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Quote: God sounds like an insane lunatic in some parts of the Bible, I mean I love the Lord dont get me wrong, but the vengence has always made wonder just what really was going on. -DM- i think this is the first time on this subject...i agree with ya a guestion... if he will have no other god before him etc..then why dosent he punish all the people who dont belive in him and worhsip allah or someone else? a nother edit lol: damn its always funny how in all 'gods laws' there is the part : you shall worship noone else , theres only meeee etc _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. This comment was edited by VirusD on Dec 16 2004 12:16pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: God sounds like an insane lunatic in some parts of the Bible, I mean I love the Lord dont get me wrong, but the vengence has always made wonder just what really was going on. -DM- God is simply a Jealous God as His states it. He will have no other god's before Him. That is idolitry and our very own human nature. Thank God for His wonderful mercy that He shows to some of us. It's a marvel to me that He would even save any of us being as we are. God is so awesome in His salvation and His destruction of the wicked. I hope and pray that we all find mercy in His eyes. Please forgive us Lord, I beg you. Please add Your blessing to the reading of Your Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: I never said I only believed in only a part of Jesus. I believe in Jesus, and everything that is recorded in the New Testament, but I find this to be sufficient. Why? Not because I don't believe in The Old Testament, but because through Jesus, I believe in God, and it made me pray. So let me ask you a question then if I may. In Romans 10:18 were we read: 18) But I ask: Is it true that they did hear the message? Of course they did-for as the scripture says: "The sound of their voice went out to all the world; their words reached the ends of the earth." How is it you can believe in this scripture when it clearly quotes scriptures founded in the old testament? How can you believe a great many chapters of the new testament when they clearly reveal truths found in the old testament? How can you be sure you understand what is in the new without going back and checking out the context of these quotes to make sure you understand the context in which they were written? Also in Revelation 22:19 we read: 19) And if any take anything away from the prophetic words of this book, God will take away from them their share of the fruit of the tree of life and of the Holy City, which are described in this book. It seems like dangerous business to me to only follow the new testament and believe that is sufficent but I'm not going to tell you how you must worship God. Fact is, without God's work in us, we can't. I only hope and pray that I'm not blindly trying to show you what I don't understand. God's Word is true and trustworthy and hopefully what I have posted is profitable to us both. Quote: I'm not saying I will be saved simply because I believe that Jesus came back through death to life, I'm saying that I believe, and live like I should, according to Jesus. Again, if Jesus is refered to as the Word of Almighty God and you pick and choose what you want to hear from Him, how can you be sure you are living like you should according to Jesus? Quote: 15) and you remember that ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. You seemed to highlight through faith in Christ Jesus. I guess that your insisting that you believe that anyone can just believe on Jesus and they will be saved through faith if I'm not misunderstanding you. Well, let's turn to the new testament to see what God has to say about faith. In Romans 3:9-11 we read: 9) Well, then, are we Jews in any better condition than the Gentiles? Not at all! I have already shown that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10) As the Scriptures say: "There is no one who is righteous, 11) no one who is wise or who worships God. God tells us as plain as day that no one worships Him. How can you have faith in someone you don't worship? In Colosians 1:9 & 10 we read: 9) For this reason we have always prayed for you, ever since we heard about you. We ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will, with all the wisdom and understanding that his Spirit gives. 10) Then you will be able to live as the Lord wants and will always do what pleases him. Your lives will produce all kinds of good deeds, and you will grow in your knowledge of God. God works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure is also a scripture I'm missing but says it's point, but more on faith. In 2 Thessalonians 1:11 we read: 11) That is why we always pray for you. We ask our God to make you worthy of the life he has called you to live. May he fulfill by his power all your desire for goodness and complete your work of faith. Key words here are work of faith. We've already posted all of these including the scriptures saying that we are saved by faith, not by works lest any man should boast. If faith is a work and we aren't saved by our works, what does this mean? The answer was already posted where God works in us salvation. He makes us to live a life pleasing to Him. Quote: 16) All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living, It would almost seem that you didn't select this scripture because nothing is in Italics. Might want to read it again because it says all scripture and not just what Jesus spoke on earth. Quote: 17) [i]so that the person who serves God may be fully qualified and equipped to do every kind of good deed.[i] My point exactly ... Again, seems your picking and choosing what you want to hear from God's Word by italicizing this whole verse, but can we serve God on our own terms? His Word says we can't from what has been posted sad to say, but don't trust what I say. Read the Bible and check it out for yourself. God is the ultimate source of truth, not what I point out. Quote: The Bible is the Christians source book of truth. It founded our faith and can't be added to or taken away from. I disagree. The bible didn't found our faith. God did! A writing is nothing without the belief behind it. In Romans 10:13-17 we read: 13) As the scripture says, "Everyone who calls out to the Lord for help will be saved." 14) But how can they call to him for help if they have not believed? And how can they believe if they have not heard the message? And how can they hear if the message is not proclaimed? 15) And how can the message be proclaimed if the messengers are not sent out ? As the scripture says, "How wonderful is the coming of messengers who bring good news!" 16) But not all have accepted the Good News. Isaiah himself said, "Lord, who believed our message? 17) So then faith comes from hearing the message and the message comes throught preaching the Word of God. Also in John 1:1 & 14 we read: 1) In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14) The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he had received as the Father's only Son. The Word of God is Jesus and faith comes from the Word of God. The writing is everything because it is God's Holy Word. Remember in Romans we read that no one seeks after God or worships Him. Let God be true and every man a liar. No one will come to Jesus unless the father draws him. We need to hear the message in order to believe. pquote]well, I hope I haven't rained your parade or anything. It wasn't my intention to come across as elitist, or whatever I might have come across. All I'm voicing is my opinion. I hope you didn't find it offensive or anything. I'm sorry if it did. Same for me my friend. More then just my opinions, I hope God can breathe some clearity into our discussion. I hope and pray that the scriptures we post here will bring light into the darkness. May God add His blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. - Bail - _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: ...isent that nice no wonder why people went to church more in the old days they were scared In 2 Thessalonians 1:3-7 we read: 3) Do not let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until the final Rebellion takes place and the Wicked One appears, who is destined to hell. 4) He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God. {My king James version says he will be worshipped as God I believe.} 5) Don't you remember? I told you all this while I was with you. 6) Yet there is something that keeps this from happening now, and you know what it is. At the proper time, then, the Wicked One will appear. 7) The Mysterious Wickedness is already at work, but what is going to happen will not happen until the one who holds it back is taken out of the way. Other scriptures which I'm too tired to find but have posted in the past show that Satan as the power to show himself as an angel or messenger of light and his followers ministers of righteousness. It would be no marvel to me if this so called thing (being the Holy Spirit) holding the Wicked One back has indeed been taken out of the way. The church of our day seems to be a little short on some of the key elements of worship if you ask me. This fear that you pointed out is a big part of worshipping God from what I read in the Bible because can destroy both body and soul in everylasting damnation. God constantly talks about how so many will be blind or out of the way when He returns to judge the world. This is frightening language because we all could be so very very far from the truth and never know it. The only light that we have to find our ways through the darkness is God's Word and that is only if God gives us eyes so that we may see it. If this message was being preached in the churches today, you could bet anything that I would be there every possible time, 1) to hear as much of His Word as possible and 2) to learn more about our condition and how God can save us. Fear wouldn't be my driving factor, but it would play a part. The motion of going to church isn't what saves somebody, but God's Word and His mercy is. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: Depends, I believe using the scriptures is all fine and good if it help your beliefs, but many people believe the scriptures may also have almost poetic meanings rather than to be taken literally, I study Religious Studies, I’ve been taught, that, say for instance, for 1st few chapters (believe up to 11) of the Old Testament are “myth” as in, people trying to explain unexplainable things at that time (e.g. how the world was created, why people have different languages). In Matthew 13:10-17 we read: 10) Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked him, "Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?" 11) Jesus answered, "The knowledge about the secrets of the Kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12) For the person who has something will be given more, so that he will have more than enough; but the person who has nothing will have taken away from him even the little he has. 13) The reason I use parables in talking to them is that they look, but do not see, and they listen, but do not hear or understand. 14) So the prophecy of Isaiah applies to them: 'This people will listen and listen, but not understand; they will look and look, but not see, 15) because their minds are dull, and they have stopped up their ears and have closed their eyes. Otherwise, their minds would understand, and they would turn to me, says God, and I would heal them.' 16) "As for you, how fortunate you are! Your eyes see and your ears hear. 17) I assure you that many prophets and many of God's people wanted very much to see what you see, but they could not, and to hear what you hear, but they did not. Here, these scriptures would agree with your views on poetic meanings. This states a well known fact that Jesus spoke in parables. In Hebrews 13:8 we read: 8) Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Seeing scriptures like this and ones posted earlier, it is most likely that most of the old testament if not all of it is symbolic language. In Daniel 12:4 we read: 4) He said to me, "And now, Daniel, close the book and put a seal on it until the end of the world. Meanwhile, many people will waste their efforts trying to understand what is happening." This scripture shows us that God has a time table set up for the understanding of His Word. Many thing, especially in the old testament, will make no sense or be understood until God removes the seal and reveals His teachings. As far as believers in Jesus are concerned, some things in God's Word must or should be taken as a parable while other things could quite possibly be literal and shouldn't be thought of anything less unless the Bible reveals otherwise. Everything else like our history and so called actuate geological studies should not influence our beliefs on the scriptures. If you think about it, we have God's Almighty Word full of truth in front of us. A book that stood up to the test of time. Others can have outside sources to cloud their vision. I'll happily stick to the Bible and just the Bible. May God add His blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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God sounds like an insane lunatic in some parts of the Bible, I mean I love the Lord dont get me wrong, but the vengence has always made wonder just what really was going on. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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VirusD - Student
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Quote: 15) But if you disobey the LORD your God and do not faithfully keep all his commands and laws tha I am giving you today, all these evil things will happen to you: Quote: 27) The LORD will send boils on you, as he did on the Egyptians. He will make your bodies break out with sores. You will be covered with scabs, and you will itch, but there will be no cure. ...isent that nice no wonder why people went to church more in the old days they were scared _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. This comment was edited by VirusD on Dec 15 2004 09:36pm. |
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Aayla Secura - Ex-Student 
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Depends, I believe using the scriptures is all fine and good if it help your beliefs, but many people believe the scriptures may also have almost poetic meanings rather than to be taken literally, I study Religious Studies, I’ve been taught, that, say for instance, for 1st few chapters (believe up to 11) of the Old Testament are “myth” as in, people trying to explain unexplainable things at that time (e.g. how the world was created, why people have different languages). Though I believe what’s happening here is healthy since you are trying to help people in your own way. I know there are also negative points about taking a liberal view, but since this is a “Bible study” trend just thought you should take all people views on bored, rather than this exclusive stance I get a feeling is going on (not that its happening on a massive scale). Just wanted to make a little comment. _______________ IN UR FACE I'M NOT BLONDE! This comment was edited by Aayla Secura on Dec 15 2004 08:17pm. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Bail you are not offensive at all. You are entitled to you beliefs. The only thing I think everyone should be doing in this thread is posting scriptures to back up the beliefs that you post. The purpose of this thread is so that we may all come to truth. We can all sit here and write our beliefs and thoughts on what Gods salvation plan is, etc. But our beliefs should not come from our own minds, but by God and his word. Our minds are so simple compared to God! And I think it would be foolish to assume that we all know and believe that we know the truth. So please read all the scriptures posted with an open mind. Forget about what you believe and just soak in the scriptures. Post your own scriptures as well! My $.02 _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: These scriptures tell us that Jesus is the Word of God and to only believe in a part of Jesus wouldn't really be believing now would it? These scriptures also tell us how the Word is the source of life which is parallel to the salvation that is only possible by Jesus. I never said I only believed in only a part of Jesus. I believe in Jesus, and everything that is recorded in the New Testament, but I find this to be sufficient. Why? Not because I don't believe in The Old Testament, but because through Jesus, I believe in God, and it made me pray. Yes, I pray, I try to live a good life, try to harm no one, and try to live as Jesus told me to. I believe in his death, and in his rising, and I have complete faith that Jesus will lead me to salvation. Quote: Again we read that mankind can't live on bread alone but by God's Word. All of God's Words. Jesus is also known as the bread of life and this is also parallel to what we read earlier in the parable. Believing in the dead rising from the grave (Jesus) won't be enough to save someone. I'm not saying I will be saved simply because I believe that Jesus came back through death to life, I'm saying that I believe, and live like I should, according to Jesus. Quote: 15) and you remember that ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16) All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living, 17) [i]so that the person who serves God may be fully qualified and equipped to do every kind of good deed.[i] My point exactly ... Quote: We actually have ancient writtings in the form of the dead sea scrolls, (I'm not sure if there are any more), that show us that our text today is extreamly close to those. I know those exist. The problem is, they are kept in the Vatican. Should they have altered it, they would never release the real scriptures, but altered ones, or incomplete ones. Quote: The Bible is the Christians source book of truth. It founded our faith and can't be added to or taken away from. I disagree. The bible didn't found our faith. God did! A writing is nothing without the belief behind it. well, I hope I haven't rained your parade or anything. It wasn't my intention to come across as elitist, or whatever I might have come across. All I'm voicing is my opinion. I hope you didn't find it offensive or anything. I'm sorry if it did. - Bail - _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I just want to share some of God's Word with everyone. I remember back to when I read this the first time, I was like whoa. It has been brought back to my attention in a study and it is pretty long so bear with me. Maybe just read a few verses at a time and come back to the rest later. No real need to read it all at once. In Deuteronomy 28:15-68 we read: 15) But if you disobey the LORD your God and do not faithfully keep all his commands and laws that I am giving you today, all these evil things will happen to you: 16) The LORD will curse your towns and your fields. 17) The LORD will curse your grain crops and the food you prepare from them. 18) The LORD will curse you by giving you only a few children, poor crops, and few cattle and sheep. 19) The LORD will curse everything you do. 20) If you do evil and reject the LORD, he will bring on you disaster, confusion, and trouble in everything you do, until you are quickly and completely destroyed. 21) He will send disease after disease on you until there is not one of you left in the land that you are about to occupy. 22) The LORD will strike you with infectious diseases, with swelling and fever; he will send drought and scorching winds to destroy your crops. These disasters will be with you until you die. 23) No rain will fall, and your ground will become as hard as iron. 24) Instead of rain, the LORD will send down duststorms and sandstorms until you are destroyed. 25) The LORD will give your enemies victory over you. You will attack them from one direction, but you will run from them in all directions, and all the people on earth will be terrified when they see what happens to you. 26) When you die, birds and wild animals will come and eat your bodies, and there will be no one to scare them off. 27) The LORD will send boils on you, as he did on the Egyptians. He will make your bodies break out with sores. You will be covered with scabs, and you will itch, but there will be no cure. 28) The LORD will make you lose your mind; he will strike you with blindness and confusion. 29) You will grope about in broad daylight like someone blind, and you will not be able to find your way. You will not prosper in anything you do. You will be constantly oppressed and robbed, and there will be no one to help you. 30) You will be engaged to a young woman-but someone else will marry her. You will build a house-but never live in it. You will plant a vineyard-but never eat its grapes. 31) Your cattle will be butchered before your very eyes, but you will not eat any of the meat. Your donkeys will be dragged away while you look on, and they will not be given back to you. 32) Your sons and daughters will be given as slaves to foreigners while you look on. Every day you will strain your eyes, looking in vain for your children to return. 33) A foreign nation will take all the crops that you have worked so hard to grow, while you receive nothing but constant oppression and harsh treatment. 34) Your sufferings will make you lose your mind. 35) The LORD will cover your legs with incurable, painful sores; boils will cover you from head to foot. 36) The LORD will take you and your king away to a foreign land, where nither you nor your ancestors ever lived before; there you will serve gods made of wood and stone. 37) In the countries to which the LORD will scatter you, the people will be shocked at what has happened to you; they will make fun of you and ridicule you. 38) You will plant plenty of seed, but reap only a small harvest, because the locusts will eat your crops. 39) You will plant vineyards and take care of them, but you will not gather their grapes or drink wine from them, because worms will eat the vines. 40) Olive trees will grow everywhere in your land, but you will not have any oil, because the olives will drop off. 41) You will have sons and daughters, but you will lose them, because they will be taken away as prisoners of war. 42) All your trees and crops will be devoured by insects. 43) Foreigners who live in your land will gain more and more power, while you gradually lose yours. 44) They will have money to lend you, but you will have none to lend them. In the end they will be your rulers. 45) All these disasters will come on you, and they will be with you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the LORD your God and keep all the laws that he gave you. 46) They will be the evidence of God's judgment on you and your descendants forever. 47) The LORD blessed you in every way, but you would not serve him with glad and joyful hearts. 48) So then, you will serve the enemies that the LORD is going to send against you. You will be hungry, thirsty, and naked-in need of everything. The LORD will oppress you harshly until your are destroyed. 49) The Lord will bring against you a nation whose language you do not know. They will swoop down on you like an eagle. 50) They will be ruthless and show no mercy to anyone, young or old. 51) They will eat your livestock and your crops, and you will starve to death. They will not leave you any grain, wine, olive oil, cattle, or sheep; and you will die. 52) They will attack every town in the land that the LORD your God is giving you, and the high, fortified walls in which you trust will fall. 53) When your enemies are besieging your towns, you will become so desperate for food that you will even eat the children that the LORD your God is given you. 54-55) Even the most refined man of noble birth will become so desperate during the siege that he will eat some of his own children because he has no other food. He will not even give any to his brother or to the wife he loves or to any of his children who are left. 56-57) Even the most refined woman of noble birth, so rich that she has never had to walk anywhere, will behave in the same way. When the enemy besieges her town, she will become so desperate for food that she will secretly eat her newborn child and the afterbirth as well. She will not share them with the husband she loves or with any of her children. 58) If you do not obey faithfully all of God's teachings that are written in this bgook and if you do not honor the woderful and awesome name of the LORD you God, 59) he will send on you and on your descendants incurable diseases and horrible epidemics that can never be stopped. 60) He will bring on you once again all the dreadful diseases you experienced in Egypt, and you will never recover. 61) He will also send all kinds of diseases and epidemics that are not mentioned in this book of God's laws and teachings, and you will be destroyed. 62) Although you become as numerous as the stars in the sky, only a few of you will survive, because you did not obey the LORD your God. 63) Just as the LORD took delight in making you prosper and in making you increase in number, se he will take delight in destroying you and in bringing ruin on you. You will be uprooted from the land that you are about to occupy. 64) The LORD will scatter you among all the nations, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you will serve gods made of wood and stone, gods that neither you nor your ancestors have ever worshiped before. 65) You will find no peace anywhere, no place to call your own; the LORD will overwhelm you with anxiety, hopelessness, and despair. 66) Your life will always be in danger. Day and night you will be filled with terror, and you will live in constant fear of death. 67) Your hearts will pound with fear at everything you see. Every morning you will wish for evening; every evening you will wish for morning. 68) The LORD will send you back to Egypt in ships, even though he said that you would never have to go there again. There you will try to sell yourselves to your enemies as slaves, but no one will want to buy you. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Dec 15 2004 11:47pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: My whole point was that life (and thus especially Jesus Christ's) is more important than your day of birth. If you go on to read the scriptures following the one i quoted in Ecclesiastes, you can see it emphasised again. Since these verses are mentioned but not posted, I would like to take a look at these myself. In Ecclesiastes 7:2-4 and 8 we read: 2) It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart. 3) Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better. 4) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth. 8) Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit. I would be an interesting study to go through these verses slowly searching the Bible for the meanings behind every sentence, but with the ones shortly following the one you posted and the one I believe you were refering to that highlights you point are posted. Now we can see exactly what God has in view here. In the 2nd verse we see that the house of feasting which could/would be a direct result of someones birth is worse the the house of mourning because of someones death. Why? Because we don't carry on in our vanity thinking when we ponder death and the serious issue that follows it. Sure, celebrating a baby is nice and congratulations is in order, or is it? I say nay because it doesn't show God any honor or glory having a bunch of people carrying on about what they think they have accomplished. Verse 3 strengthens this because it is when our hearts are brought low before God that we are given that all important image of how much we really need God. It is a very wise thing for us to never lose sight of the fact that God saves His people. We can save ourselves or pay for our own sins. In verse 8, if we were to search the Bible we would see that in the end of this mysterious work that God has set into motion, whether for salvation or destruction, it is all going to glorify Him. We can patient await our death hoping on God's wonderful mercy to save us, or we can be proud of the things that go on around us here in this world with the patient being better. I could be wrong and I invite others to shine light on these if they see something different/that I left out, but this is what the context of these verses speak to me. Quote: who really are you when u are born? nothing. You have not yet developed a mind capable of diserning right from wrong, or giving God glory or bringing salvation to his name (I acknowledge the fact that life in itself does do this). That scripture thus shows how God values what you did in your life and what you stand for- thus we should do the same. This I'm afraid I have to highly disagree with. God is not a respecter of persons as we can see in Acts 10:34 where we read: 34) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: Reading on to verse 35 we might try to disagree with this because it reads: 35) But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. Now I can make this a huge long list of scriptures working this out so that we can better understand this, but I'm sure we all know that we are saved by faith, not by works. 1 Thessalonians 1 and 2 Thessalonians 1 shows us that faith is work and Hebrews 11 shows us that our faith can be evidence that we have become saved. Also, if we turn to Romans 9:7-15 we read: 7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all childred: but, IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED. 8) That is, They which are the childred on the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the childred of the promise are counted for the seed. 9) For this is the word of promise, AT THIS TIME WILL I COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON. 10) And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth  12) It was said unto her, THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER. 13) As it is written, JACOB HAVE I LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED. 14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15) For he saith to Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION. The whole package of salvation also being neatly summed up in a few scriptures in John 1: 12 and 13 where we read: 12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Quote: Granted, we should rememebr the miracle that was Jesus Christ's birth. But he is a King, not a baby. Memorialise his life, not his birth. His birth did not give us forgiveness of our sins, but his life and his death did: 'but we behold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels, crowned with glory and honour for having suffered death, that he by God's undeserved kindness might taste death for every man.' (Hebrews 2:9)'Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.'(Matthew 20:28) Here, I would have to agree with what Smily posted. Also, I would like to add that in Luke 2:8-20 we read a little into Jesus' birth and the angel of the Lord coming down with His Glory shining all around the shepherds with a multitude of the heavenly host praising God. Jesus' birth was a true marvel! One which the focus is still on God and our need for Him and to say one part is more important or has more meaning then the next is just dangerous thinking if you ask me. Jesus from a very young age read and preached in the temple and those witnessing there were amazed with Him. It is my belief that Jesus' as a child wasn't anything less then the adult. Just food for though. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Dec 14 2004 07:50am. |
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