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Jul 01 2004 01:41am

Koyi Donita
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Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible.
Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing.

I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth.

May God bless us all through his wonderful Word.

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Thank you Darth Mobility.

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So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
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This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm.

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Dec 12 2004 11:05pm

Smilykrazy
- Retired

Ok just a comment but Jesus had to be born to live the life he did and to die. The significance of that day is remarkable. On that day God came out of his holy kingdom to begin his journey to save his people. He was born a lowly human being so that he can live among us sinners and save his elect. Why is it we shouldnt celebrate his birth? Seems like a special day to me.

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Dec 12 2004 10:38pm

Kaz
- Student

My whole point was that life (and thus especially Jesus Christ's) is more important than your day of birth. If you go on to read the scriptures following the one i quoted in Ecclesiastes, you can see it emphasised again. who really are you when u are born? nothing. You have not yet developed a mind capable of diserning right from wrong, or giving God glory or bringing salvation to his name (I acknowledge the fact that life in itself does do this). That scripture thus shows how God values what you did in your life and what you stand for- thus we should do the same. Granted, we should rememebr the miracle that was Jesus Christ's birth. But he is a King, not a baby. Memorialise his life, not his birth.
His birth did not give us forgiveness of our sins, but his life and his death did: 'but we behold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels, crowned with glory and honour for having suffered death, that he by God's undeserved kindness might taste death for every man.' (Hebrews 2:9)'Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.'(Matthew 20:28)

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Dec 12 2004 03:24am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Could we please try to keep this thread for what it was intended for? I would really appreciate that. Thank you.

Dec 11 2004 04:42pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
- Student

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Same goes for Danish and German (minus the gramamr part), yet they're still two completely differenty languages. Trust me, Dutch is way different from German, except for some similarities.

you know Dutch, Jacen? Didn't know that

We should talk in Dutch sometime

and yeah, they are way different. Pronounciation isn't anywhere near at some points. Some words may seem the same, but you have the same thing with French and Dutch, and Italian and Dutch, and so on. That's probably because they are somewhat (more or less) based on the same primal language ...

That's cool.

Btw, English and Dutch are very similar too at points

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Dec 11 2004 03:47pm

Jacen Aratan
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Same goes for Danish and German (minus the gramamr part), yet they're still two completely differenty languages. Trust me, Dutch is way different from German, except for some similarities.

Dec 11 2004 02:12pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

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And of course the Dutch say:

13 Du sollst nicht töten.

Just thought I'd let it be known that the above sentence is German, not Dutch.

you do realise that dutch and german are very similar? almost identical grammer and very many similar/same words

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Dec 11 2004 10:46am

Wolfwood
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Did someone just say something german and pretended it was dutch?...... BLASPHEMY I SAY!!!

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Dec 11 2004 10:26am

Jacen Aratan
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And of course the Dutch say:

13 Du sollst nicht töten.

Just thought I'd let it be known that the above sentence is German, not Dutch.

Dec 11 2004 06:26am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Truely! My eyes have been opened to some good scriptures.

The one from Ecclesiastes though seems to be a little out of context for the point that was being made. I could be wrong though.

Another thing is with the commandment Thou shalt not kill, there are a number of other sciptures that help to draw a clearer picture of what God had in mind there. I'll try to dig those up and post them a.s.a.p. as time allows. You know, the Israelites of old slaughter man, woman, and child as they went into the promised land that God gave them. They murdered those people simply because it was God's will for this to be done. That is why further light should be shined on this subject to really get a clearer picture rather than what the hebrew text actually says.
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Dec 11 2004 06:32am.

Dec 11 2004 12:20am

Smilykrazy
- Retired

awesome posts DM!!!

I didnt know all that about history.

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Dec 09 2004 11:14pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

great DM, thanks

you just saved me from learning hebrew

Dec 09 2004 11:06pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Geez, sorry man....i am really tired, alright the origanl hebrew states:

lo tirtzach

Regarding your question, lo tirtzach means "Do not murder," not "Do not kill."

-DM-
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This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Dec 09 2004 11:06pm.

Dec 09 2004 10:59pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

cool, thanks guys

Dec 09 2004 10:54pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

hehe, sorry....that was attempt at humor. lol, but you got me anyways, lol.

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Dec 09 2004 10:53pm

Kaz
- Student

back in the Hebrew times, whether u murdedred or accidentally killed someone it was both ways very serious. However, one you urself could be killed for (murder), the other you would be allowed to seek one of the 'cities of refuge' which were cities scattered around that people who were truly repentant could go and live in until the high preist died and they were allowed to return.

that scripture (Do not murder/kill etc) was meant for the Jewish people so killing would have practically been the same as mudering in the sense that both carried very heavy penalties (one you died from though)
however, christians believe that Christ made up a new covenant that stopped the mosaic covenant. Although the 10 commandements are very important, we have the new covenant to follow if you understand what i mean. Either way though, murder and accidental killing is still very very serious today.

This comment was edited by Kaz on Dec 10 2004 07:27am.

Dec 09 2004 10:51pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

well, the dutch means not to kill, and the chinese also not to kill (i read both, a bit

) however, it xdiffers in the englisjh translations and i was hoping someone read hebrew and could read the jewish original

thanks though DM

Dec 09 2004 10:49pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

I actually like the Chinese Version

Exodus 20:13 不 可 殺 人 。

Ukranian Bible says:

13 Не вбивай!

And of course the Dutch say:

13 Du sollst nicht töten.

But as for God, I beleive he was referring to MURDER.

-DM-

Feh Kaz, Sorry my brain hurts now.

I celebrate Christmas because I like too, not cause I am commanded to. I like the idea that we reserve it for family, giving, worshiping together, and most of all to teach my kids that Christ is the reason for the celebration, not Gifts. SO, my celebration is Human, not spiritual, however my family and I always bake a birthday cake and sing happy birthday to Jesus. Just what we do.

...and thanks for the cookie.

-DM-
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This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Dec 09 2004 10:52pm.

Dec 09 2004 10:47pm

Kaz
- Student

yey DM XD u get a cookie

so, do u not feel that if it is not mentioned in the bible we should celebrate it?

Ecclesiastes 7:1 says "A name is better than good oil, and the day of death than the day of one's being born.'

Just to briefly break that scripture up a bit, the 'name' of course does not literally mean John, or Mike, but what that name stands for, i.e the sort of person he/she is/was, what he or she did, and the sort of 'name' so to speak he or she made for themselves.

So then, with this in mind, the rest of the verse falls into place. 'and the day of death, better than the day of one's being born'. A born baby is realy nothing. Granted, the scriptures do say that God truly values that baby as something precious, but, the point is, that baby has not made a name for itself. On the day of your death though, people reflect over your life and see what you have done, and remember you. Your life is what is important, not ur being born.

In the case of Jesus, his birth meant nothing in comparison to his death. Why keep remembering Christ Jesus as a helpless child? This does not give him the fully glory and respect that a kind deserves. Whenever refering to christ in heaven, we get the image of an extrmemly wise king, not some helpless baby in a manger.

Now forgetting christmas as christmas, and merely refering to it as a birthday, no where in the bible does it report favourably of people celebrating their birthday. It is a pagan festival like Christmas which Christians have never been commanded to uphold. There is infact, 2 examples of birthdays in the bible. 1 at Genesis 40:20-22 (pharoah's)and one at Matthew 14:6-10 (Herod's) and neither are viewed favourably.

Jumping a bit to the history of birthdays, the gving of gifts and presents and the congratluating the birthday person was all part of 'protecting the celebrant from the demons and to ensure his security for the coming year- superstitous attitudes, and the bible does condemn all things linked to superstition
On a final note, the later Hebrews viewed the celebrating of birthdays as a form of idolatrous worship.

So overall, how can celbrating of Jesus birth be right? Birthdays are stooped in superstition, christians were never told to celebrate them, and infact, birthdays were once viewed as an idolatrous form of worship- something that God most deffiently forbids.

Dec 09 2004 10:37pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

I have a question. in the ten commandments, is the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' or 'thou shalt not murder' the different editions that i read say different things. which translation is right, as the difference in the words meanings is pretty significant.
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Dec 09 2004 10:28pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Oh, and to just quickly address the whole, "Bible was written by man so it is failable" theory.

Here is my opinion.

Lets just say for the sake of argument that the ORIGINAL TEXT was the "True Word of God". And now people say that man has jacked it all up and now it does not resemble the true text and that man has changed it to suit thier own agendas.

Here is my problem with that:

If the Bible is supposed to be the Word of God, and it was written to give all of us Christians in the future a guide on how to live and contained in that text was written the way to be saved and what he wants us to do, then in my opinion, there is absolutely NO WAY that God would let man, ( whom he created ) screw all that up for the rest of us.

ABSOLUTELY NO WAY

See, the Word says God is Just and Fair. There is NO WAY I am going to stand in front of him one day, and he says to me, "Well sorry Moby, the Bible you studied was wrong cause some jack ass back 300 years ago screwed it all up, SORRY"!

No way, it would not happen. In addition, I have the greek inner-linear Bible that has the greek on one page and the NIV on the other, then there is the translation, and every page that i have viewed is the SAME, just translated in to more modern WORDS, thats it. So this argument really holds no water with me, cause I doubted it myself years ago until I did the study.

If you have never doubted anything, you have never really beleived it, so this is a good exercize, for sure, but do not let it cloud Truth.

-DM-
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Dec 09 2004 10:14pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
- Student

Edit: My post was written at the same time as Darth Mobility's, to clear up any confusion

first of all, I don't think there are any (probably wrong of me) scriptures that say this.

I think we celebrate Christmas as a sign of banning out the darkness, a day of Hope, in which a beacon of light was lit during the darkness. I don't think we have to, but I think we do to remind people that there is always hope, no matter how bad the situation.

Am looking forward to this discussion

Oh and Koyi, I'll post my thoughts about our last thing a bit later, don't have time now

Note: They are not offensive, so forgive me if I sounded like they would be or something

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Dec 09 2004 10:11pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Kaz,

There is no Biblical warrant, precedent, nor precept for remembrance of the day of Christ's birth as a day of special religious celebration. This is not to say that we shouldn't remember Christ's birth and its significance, but for religious commemorations or celebrations, we must have Biblical command or precedent! The fact of the matter is this -- the early church did not celebrate Christ's birth, but such celebration only came into the church with the "Christianization" of pagan rites as Catholicism was made the state religion by Constantine in the fourth century A.D. Since the Word of God does not support the tradition of Christmas, a Christian's conscience ought not and must not be bound.

December 25th was particularly important in the cult of Mithras, a popular deity in the Old Roman Empire.

Prior to the celebration of Christmas, December 25th in the Roman world was the Natalis Solis Invicti, the Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun. This feast, which took place just after the winter solstice of the Julian calendar, was in honor of the Sun God, Mithras, originally a Persian deity whose cult penetrated the Roman world in the first century B.C. ... Besides the Mithraic influence, other pagan forces were at work. From the seventeenth of December until the twenty-third, Romans celebrated the ancient feast of the Saturnalia. ... It was commemorative of the Golden Age of Saturn, the god of sowing and husbandry.

In order to make Christianity palatable to the heathen, the Roman Church simply took Saturnalia, adopted it into Christianity, and then eventually many of the associated pagan symbols, forms, customs, and traditions were reinterpreted (i.e., "Christianized"

in ways "acceptable" to Christian faith and practice. (In fact, in 375 A.D., the Church of Rome under Pope Julius I merely announced that the birth date of Christ had been "discovered" to be December 25th, and was accepted as such by the "faithful." The festival of Saturnalia and the birthday of Mithras could now be celebrated as the birthday of Christ!) The pagans flocked into the Catholic places of worship, because they were still able to worship their old gods, but merely under different names. It mattered not to them whether they worshiped the Egyptian goddess mother and her child under the old names (Isis and Horus), or under the names of the "Virgin Mary" and the "Christ-child." Either way, it was the same old idol-religion (cf. 1 Thes. 1:8-10; 5:22 -- Paul says to turn from idols, not rename them and Christianize them). Roman Catholicism's Christmas Day is nothing but "baptized" paganism, having come along much too late to be part of "the faith once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3).

Kinda disturbing really, but I am "Christianized" I guess, but remember Christs Birthday is still important to me and important to my family. So whether or not he was or was not born on the 25th does not matter to me, the rememberance is what is important, IMHO.

Sardonius,
Yes, I was referring to Satan.

-DM-

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This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Dec 09 2004 10:21pm.

Dec 09 2004 09:46pm

Kaz
- Student

A bit of a topic change I know, but its aproaching that time of year, so why not throw a spanner in the works?
In this short post, i challenge anyone to post scriptural evidence that supports the idea that Christ's birthday should be celebrated, that He was born on December 25th and that God actually asks us to remember it. Because i think u will find that there is only one thing that God asks us to celebrate annualy, or actually to put it better, to remember, - and it isn't his birth but his death.

heh, just want some people's thoughts on this

(Cookie to the best response

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Dec 08 2004 10:39pm

Koyi Donita
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What do you mean by "the enemy"? Other religions?

This struck me as a bit elitist. Correct me if I'm wrong. I hope you mean Satan or something.

Yes, I'm almost 100% positive that he meant Satan. He is after all the anti-Christ and seeks to be worshipped in God's place. Throw around a few loose ideas that anyone can wrap themselves in and you got self made salvation plans made easy where you love God and God loves you and all is safe and secure. But are these thoughts real? Is it really God you serve or the devil? The pharisee's had it all wrong and Jesus identified them with Satan. This could be all around us and we could be extremely blind to it as the people were, (being both the pharisee's and the people of worship.)
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

Dec 08 2004 11:37am

Bubu
- Hubbub

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The Pastor's statement is the "New Age", "Politically Correct" way to say it. By saying that, he is saying that no matter what your religon, you will still go to heaven. God will still save you. That is the biggest lie ever conceived by the enemy. Please recognize it, because it is easy to beleive.... "God wont send good people to hell"...."The Bible is failable because it was written by man"......these statements are a LIE from the enemy spoken to deceive and lead astray God's Children...

What do you mean by "the enemy"? Other religions?

This struck me as a bit elitist. Correct me if I'm wrong. I hope you mean Satan or something.
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