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Jul 01 2004 01:41am

Koyi Donita
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Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible.
Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing.

I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth.

May God bless us all through his wonderful Word.

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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
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Dec 08 2004 04:06am

Smilykrazy
- Retired

I will start attending one as soon as I find one and as soon as my life actually becomes my own.

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Dec 07 2004 10:31pm

Cloaked Thunder
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This is def reason number 5,687 why I go to a non denom church.

Reason 5,687:
None of mans Opinions, just the Word of God.

-DM-

I am non-denominational as well.
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Dec 07 2004 03:37pm

Koyi Donita
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I just wanted to say again that if you know of any scriptures from the Bible that may or do not agree with what someone posts, by all means please post them so that we can look further into God's Word together. It's the only way we can start to piece things together.

Thank you and God Bless.

Dec 06 2004 08:12am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Bail, I've carefully read what you have written and it tears me so. Let me offer some scriptures to you my friend in hopes to shine a little light on your beliefs.

First I would like to look at the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.
In Luke 16:19-31 we read:
19) There was once a rich man who dressed in the most expensive clothes and lived in great luxury every day.
20) There was also a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who used to be brought to the rich man's door,
21) hoping to eat the bits of food that fell from the rich man's table, Even the dogs would come and lick his sores.
22) The poor man died and was carried by the angels to sit beside Abraham at the feast in heaven. The rich man died and was buried,
23) and in Hades, where he was in great pain, he looked up and saw Abraham, far away, with Lazarus at his side.
24) So he called out, 'Father Abraham! Take pity on me, and send Lazarus to dip his finger in some water and cool off my tongue, because I am in great pain in this fire!'
25) But Abraham said, 'Remember, my son, that in your lifetime you were given all the good things, while Lazarus got all the bad things. But now he is enjoying himself here, while you are in pain.
26) Besides all that, there is a deep pit lying between us, so that those who want to cross over from here to you cannot do so, nor can anyone cross over to us from where you are.'
27) The rich man said, 'Then I beg you, father Abraham, send Lazarus to my father's house,
28) where I have five brothers. Let him go and warn them so that they, at least, will not come to this place of pain.'
29) Abraham said, 'Your brothers have Moses and the prophets to warn them; your brothers should listen to what they say.'
30) The rich man answered, 'That is not enough, father Abraham! But if someone were to rise from death and go to them, then they would turn from their sins.'
31) But Abraham said, 'If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone were to rise from death.'

And now in this day, Jesus has risen from the dead and it will mean nothing to a believer if they don't listen to Moses and the prophets. When you look into the nature of the Word of God, you begin to understand this.

In John 1:1-4 & 14 we read:
1) In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) From the very beginning the Word was with God.
3) Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him.
4) The Word was the source of life, and this life brought light to people.
14) The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son.

These scriptures tell us that Jesus is the Word of God and to only believe in a part of Jesus wouldn't really be believing now would it? These scriptures also tell us how the Word is the source of life which is parallel to the salvation that is only possible by Jesus.

In Matthew 4:1-4 we read:
1) Then the Spirit led Jesus into the desert to be tempted by the Devil.
2) After spending forty days and nights without food, Jesus was hungry.
3) Then the Devil came to him and said, "If you are God's Son, order these stones to turn into bread."
4) But Jesus answered, "The scripture says, 'Human beings cannot live on bread alone, but need every word that God speaks.'"

Again we read that mankind can't live on bread alone but by God's Word. All of God's Words. Jesus is also known as the bread of life and this is also parallel to what we read earlier in the parable. Believing in the dead rising from the grave (Jesus) won't be enough to save someone.

In Romans 10:17 we read:
17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Again, this scripture fits into what we've been looking at.

In 2 Timothy 3:15-17 we read:
15) and you remember that ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16) All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living,
17) so that the person who serves God may be fully qualified and equipped to do every kind of good deed.

In 2 Peter 1:21 we read:
21) For no prophetic message ever came just from the human will, but people were under the control of the Holy Spirit as they spoke the message that came from God.

Now I'll would be ready to agree with anyone claiming that the translations might be flawed. Infact, God warns us about that in the book of Revelation and other books as well. But knowing that God is Almighty God, I'm sure as Jesus was protected in His days from the pharisees and keepers of the law, so would the Word be protected. We actually have ancient writtings in the form of the dead sea scrolls, (I'm not sure if there are any more), that show us that our text today is extreamly close to those. The Bible is the Christians source book of truth. It founded our faith and can't be added to or taken away from.

I hope and pray that these scriptures and our discussion help and benefit those who read it.
May God add His Blessing to the reading of His Word.

Amen.
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Dec 06 2004 08:13am.

Dec 04 2004 11:16pm

solitude
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Sure, ill go and read back at the old posts

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Dec 04 2004 11:12pm

Smilykrazy
- Retired

Sol err exar,

we have been through this alot and we all kinda disagree on that. My only suggestion to you is to read the bible and pray. That really is all we can do. God must do the rest.

EDIT* If you read back you will see a lot of back and forth between Koyi and DM. Koyi being for the fact that God has to choose you to be saved, and DM being for the fact that we can do something to become saved.

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This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Dec 04 2004 11:14pm.

Dec 04 2004 11:11pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

I was of the opinion that if you followed the Bible as bset as you can, and tried to love God and your neighbours as best you could, that was what mattered. The fact that you try to live a good life is the important thing. Or am i wrong?
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Dec 04 2004 11:08pm

Smilykrazy
- Retired

Actually Bail the bible teaches that the church age is over. So I am with you in your belief on the church. I wish I could post the scriptures to back up this statement but I dont know where they are. I will ask Koyi if he can help me. It is actually suggested that you go to a non-denominational church so that there is only God. No man can corrupt anything by doing so. I do not believe that there is one religion out there that has it right when it comes to the bible or God. I do believe however that if you are one of Gods elect that you will come to know God through the bible. There are alot of hidden messages in the bible. You can not take one verse and interpret it to mean one thing. You have to take each verse and compare it to the rest of the bible to get the full meaning of things. The original 10 commandments that God gave Moses was the old law. You are right, there is a new law in which we are supposed to live by. I only ask that you dont judge everything by what it seems, for a lot of what is written is a picture or example for us to see. When Jesus came to earth, he spoke in parables, stories to give us a view of what he actually means. The bible is alot like that. You have to study it hard and compare verses before you can judge it.

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Dec 04 2004 10:22pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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Hmmm ok Bail. You say you are a christian but you dont believe that the bible is accurate? Just making sure I understand you.

I do not believe that the Bible at itself is the key to belief. Just as the Church is not the cornerstone of Christianity.
The cornerstone of believing is ofcourse believing at itself.
I believe God exists and I try to live a good life, and I try to do nothing wrong, even though I fail most of the time...
But personally, I do not follow all of the 10 commandments, since they represent the bond between God and the Jewish People (or the Israelian people, however you would like to call them)

Even Jesus Christ only gives 8 commandments to follow, he leaves out two.
Don't have a New Testament handy, but it's where a priest walks up to him and asks what he should do to get eternal life in Heaven.
Jesus only says 8 commandments to follow. (not sure about the number, been some time since I last read it)

I follow (or try to) the life Jesus Christ wanted us to have. A life without all too many sins, practically a good life, in which we are nice to one another, love our neighbours and ban hatred from our hearts.

I am inclined to be sceptical towards the Bible (Old Testament) because it's too old. it's far older than 2000 years, who can tell if it hasn't been changed?
Sure, the same line can be drawn towards the New Testament, I agree. But in the New Testament, I don't remember seeing: "Go to Church, or go to hell" (might be wrong, but I don't think I am, but I am unsure nevertheless)

Personally, seeing as priests take a vow of celibacy (which isn't right in my opinion either, but that's a different subject) and a vow of poverty, I don't get why the Vatican has it's own country, more wealth than some countries, and why the Pope gets a Ferrari for free...
Because of all this, I am less inclined to believe everything in the Old Testament, since some of it is pure propaganda in favour of the church, in my eyes.

I'm sorry if I seem insultive to your beliefs Smily and Koyi, for I don't mean to be, but this is just how I feel about the Church these days ...

Feel free to disagree

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Dec 04 2004 10:09pm

Smilykrazy
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Hmmm ok Bail. You say you are a christian but you dont believe that the bible is accurate? Just making sure I understand you.

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Dec 04 2004 09:53pm

Smilykrazy
- Retired

Yeah the pastor at my church is an idiot. He hits on my mother, tells her he loves her, then preaches on Sunday about how we have to obey Gods will. Hes married with a kid as is my mom with 2 (grown) children. He makes me sick. I want him removed from my church right away. Only reason I still go there is because of my obligations, the music im involved with, and for some of the people ive been very close with. I really want to attend a non-denominational church.

To answer your question, no our church has nothing to do with family radio. All that is, is a station that comes in near us. My church doesnt preach what the station does. Its the quite opposite actually. The reason I love family radio so much is because it makes you think hard about the scriptures, where the church just preaches the same things all the time. I just like to have a vast knowledge of everything and I like to keep my eyes and ears open to all.

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Dec 04 2004 09:06pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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no offense intended because I am a Christian, but this reminds me of Hans Teeuwen, who said:

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And how do you know that what is written is also true?
... Because that's also written...

Quite true in my opinion
saying something that was written is right, because it was written that it was right, doesn't make it right

I could write: "Steven rules, and this is right!" but that does not mean that Steven rules, and it does not mean that is an accepted truth.
I could also write: "Steven rules, because God says it to be so!"
... same story. You can write out of free will, and there are absolutely no limits to what you can write.

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these statements are a LIE from the enemy spoken to deceive and lead astray God's Children...

ain't that great... I'm an enemy already
and all I ever did was believe in God... jeez

** Edited for obvious reasons **

well to be honest, I bet Muslims think exactly the same way. "I am right, they are wrong, everyone else, is Satan!"
(overdramatisation, you get my point)

Edit2: And another thing. You (everyone who believes) sure the Bible isn't edited? I find that hard to believe since:
The Pope in the middle-ages twisted arond the words of Jesus Christ by saying:
"It's not a sin to kill, as long as the victim isn't Christian"
(I'm very serious...)
How do you knwo the Bible hasn't been edited then?

I'm sorry if I'm insulting all of you, but I'm insulted by you.
I hope this won't turn into a flame-war

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Dec 04 2004 06:26pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

This is def reason number 5,687 why I go to a non denom church.

Reason 5,687:
None of mans Opinions, just the Word of God.

-DM-

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Dec 04 2004 06:23pm

Cloaked Thunder
- Student

Koyi, I would definetly never go back to that church. That man should have all preaching duties revoked! Dude is whacko.
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Dec 04 2004 05:54pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
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Wow Koyi, I would RUN from that church.

JESUS SAYS in John

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

The Pastor's statement is the "New Age", "Politically Correct" way to say it. By saying that, he is saying that no matter what your religon, you will still go to heaven. God will still save you. That is the biggest lie ever conceived by the enemy. Please recognize it, because it is easy to beleive.... "God wont send good people to hell"...."The Bible is failable because it was written by man"......these statements are a LIE from the enemy spoken to deceive and lead astray God's Children...

I REPEAT...

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The Pastor is right about one thing Koyi, man is failable, including him...please don't take the word of a man over the Word of God. There is no way one can win.

What kind of church is this again? Do they promote Family Radio?

-DM-

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Dec 04 2004 06:45am

Koyi Donita
- Student

An interesting thing happened to me the other day and I just wanted to throw it up in the air and see where it lands.

I'm currently attending a intense (In their eyes) Bible study program at the church that I go to and the Pastor of the church put down the validity of the Bible. He said things like, "Who are we to judge the peoples and their religions of the worlds. With God, all things are possible and I believe that God saves them through their faith as he does through ours. After all, out of all the scriptures that have ever been written, how can we be sure that we have the right ones? Men wrote the Bible and put it together so it is most certainly flawed."

My jaw hit the ground! Then I started pointing out scriptures like, "All holy scripture is givin under the inspiration of the holy spirit" and "holy men of old spoke as God the holy spirit moved them". (I will post the actual scriptures and where they are found at a later date if anyone is interested.) Then he asked me if I believed that the Bible is truely from God and I said in it's pure forms, yes, that is what I believe. He asked me what are it's pure forms and I told him that the Bible written in the Hebrew and Greek languages unchanged, uncut, and nothing added to it is God's holy Word and that the translations of them can be found to be flawed. He said that I should be careful in believing something like that because God is too wonderful, to magnificent to be confined into one little book and that there is so much we don't know and never will know about God.

Again, I don't have the time or my Bible handy to post the accurate scripures, but the Bible does tell us that there is no other name under heaven by which a man can be saved. It tells us that Jesus is the Word of God. It tells us that faith (which can be shown to be the Lord Jesus) comes by the hearing of the Word of God. It tells us that all holy scripture is good for instruction, etc... It is sealed by God in the book of Revelation where He tells us no one should add or take away from His Holy Word.

We also bumped heads with the subject of predestination and mans will having nothing to do with their salvation. Just wondering what some of you might think about this.

Dec 03 2004 03:24am

Koyi Donita
- Student

I'll repost the scripture on this subject.

In Matthew 5:27 & 28 we read:
27) You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'
28) But now I tell you: anyone who looks at a woman and wants to possess her is guilty of committing adultery with her in his heart.

I like the example of the cigarette and I will throw out another one. Imagine that you have a weapon of some sort and a group of people are ridiculing you breaking both your mind and body with a relentless physical and psychological assault. Now even if you did or didn't lash back, physically or mentally, would it be to God's glory? Would it be done in faith? That's the ultimate question after all because what isn't of faith is sin. It is quite possible to restrain oneself from lashing back both mentally and physically, and still it would be sin if it were not done in faith according to the Bible. Food for thought.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Dec 03 2004 03:25am.

Dec 02 2004 05:15am

Smilykrazy
- Retired

I agree 110% with CTs post. That is exactly how I feel. I do believe that inpure thoughts are sins regardless of whether you do it or not. I love the convo thats happening though here. Its so cool how we can all study the bible together.

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Dec 02 2004 01:43am

Cloaked Thunder
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The fact that the thought occurs is not a sin,

If the thought crosses your mind about undressing a chick in your mind then that is commiting fornication in your heart. Which in His eyes is just as bad as actually commiting the act. I dont remember the verse but I will find it, I just read the chapter on friday.

This is of course a different scenario than the cigarette thingy.

Jesus never had the thought cross his mind, he was pure and we strive to be just like him... Being tempted is different from thinking on the act.
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Dec 01 2004 11:30pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
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Let me see if I can put this into perspective.

Only some of our temptations to sin come from the devil. Other temptations come from ourselves, our wounded nature, or from other persons and things about us.

When I want to do what is right, evil awaits me, for although I agree with God's law in my inmost self I can see that there is another law in my bodily members which wars against the law of my reason and holds me captive to the law of sin in my bodily members.
Rom 7:21-23

Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry." We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. We should not test the Lord, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes. And do not grumble, as some of them did--and were killed by the destroying angel.
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come. So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall! No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
1 Cor 10:6-13

No one experiencing temptation should say, "I am being tempted by God"; for God is not subject to temptation to evil, and he himself tempts no one.
Rather, each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
James 1:13-14

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Dec 01 2004 10:49pm

Kaz
- Student

yey ploo! a man after my own heart

Dec 01 2004 10:22pm

Llomar Kroyd
- Student

Yes Kaz, that is what I am saying, sorry if I'm not being clear. The fact that the thought occurs is not a sin, that is the temptation, the act of someone tempting you. Not the next step which is where you think about it and say 'Hmmm maybe thats not so bad an idea' Temptation is split into someone or something tempts you (no sin) and then you respond to that temptation in a positive (sinful agreeing) way (sin). Am I making sense? So to think the initial thought of sinning is not a sin in itself, thats just satan doing what he does, its when you hold that thought and respond to it in the wrong way.

Having said all this Jesus did die for all of our sins, so even in the areas we are not sure of, we are still forgiven by a true and loving Lord, we only need to ask.

Dec 01 2004 09:33pm

Plo Koon
- Student

Cigarretes are temptation ? who in gods name would want to inhale sut? I mean seriusly there disgusting

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Dec 01 2004 09:11pm

Kaz
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u miss my point

. for example, if u were to offer me a cigarette, my instant reaction would be not to take it. I would not be tempted by it. It is indeed an obstacle, a temptation, but i would not be tempted by it. If an imperfect man like myself can hold on to small values like this without thinking twice, then Jesus, as a perfect man, would find it far easier. Granted, as adam and eve showed us, perfection does not mean we cannot sin, we have free choice. But my point is, although the devil went out to tempt Jesus, he was not tempted by it.

Dec 01 2004 07:23pm

Llomar Kroyd
- Student

Temptation is in essence the devil offering you things and telling you to do wrong.Each offer was preceded by Satan telling Jesus to worship him and then he would..... This is all that happens when we think 'Maybe I should take that money that has been left lying around who will miss it?' 'Maybe I should hit that annoying kid' 'Church is boring, maybe I shouldn't attend' Being tempted is exactly this and it is important scripturally that Jesus did go through the being tempted to prove how he was seperate from us, yet like us. I will look at my Bible and find the evidence to back this up, as I wouldn't want to be teaching falsely.

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