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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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Post no. 300. _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
Recipient of comment no. 1000 and heart-warming words from Ataris!
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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I wanna get this forum fired up again. I've been very busy as of late, but I will try to invest more time into posts. The question refering to the people born before Christ can be answered through the scriptures which I will post in a short while. The healing power of the cross was made available from before the foundation of the world. Even though there was a shift in the focus of the covenents, they all point towards Jesus and God as our savior. Before I get carried away with this, I will look up the verses for discussion. And for those who may have never read through this thread, I invite you to go back to the very beginning and read what you can taking breaks if needed and reading more until your up to speed with where we are at. Please feel free to question verses or ideas in a constructive manner or perhaps asking questions of your own or placing scriptures on the table that you feel are relevant to our converstations. May God bless all of us through the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Jade - Student 
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Nice one DM....nicely put.... Jade _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Ozz, There are seperate covenants before and after Jesus. Before Jesus, there was God and God's law. One of God's laws was that you had to sacrafice an animal for your sin as part of antonement. Those who followed this law along with some others were considered saved. Then Jesus came and paid the ultimate sacrafice. He gave his life so that we might be free. When he did this, new convenants were made. ( I can do the study and get all the scripture for you if you like ). Part of the new convenants were that you no longer had to sacrafice animals for your sins, seeing as though the ultimate sacrafice covered all of us. See when Jesus died, it was not because he was a heretic, and because the religous leaders hated him. He knew what he was doing because it was part of the plan. Even though his flesh did not want to do it, he knew it had to be done. When he was on the cross, we were all on his mind. He was wounded for OUR transgressions, BRUISED for our iniquities. And BY HIS STRIPES, we are healed. Wow, Praise God! Hope that helps Ozz. I would be happy to discuss and study this further if you like. Koyi, Yes the boy you discribed from Mark was possessed. There are many instances where Jesus cast out demons from people. There are many instances today where those with Authority in Christ still cast out Demons. People like Bob Larson. ( be warned, if you google him, you'll find mad pages bashing him, but I have seen him first hand, i have seen the writhing, smelt the stench of sulpher in the air during one of his many runin's with the enemy. ) I beleive he is truly a man of God with all the authority that goes with that. Also, regarding people worshiping the devil in church. Absolutely it is possible, but not as cut and dry as you think. See, before I mentioned the religous leaders, those who persecuted Jesus and were most responsible for putting him to death. Make no mistake, there are absolutely Demons of RELIGON. These demons cloud the minds of man by putting more emphasis on the Ritualistic Rites and Subtle Nuances that take the focus off of Jesus and place it on the RELIGON. See, Jesus never said, "Follow this Religon" he said, "Follow ME". That is why I dont subscribe to religon and that is why I am raising my family in a non-denominational church where the focus is JESUS and the WORD. NO RELIGON INVOLVED. Jesus himself looked at the religous leaders of his time and called them a den of snakes and vipers. Satans greatest trick is to convince a man he saved because the man is GOOD and follows the RELIGON, but I am here to say that if the do's and don'ts do not coincide with the Bible, than they are strategicly placed to mislead the people of God without them even knowing it. Of course this is my perspective and my opinions, Thanks for Reading. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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I dunno Koyi i just dunno. But I have a question: Some christians say that you must believe in Jesus and become a Christian to be saved (ie. go to heaven). What does that mean for people that lived and died before christ? Do they get reincarnated and get another chance? Or are they doomed to exist in the eternal torment of hell just because thay were unlucky enough to be born in the wrong age?  Personally I believe that whatever religion you belong to (if indeed you do belong to one) it is more important that you follow your own beliefs, and live a life that is always striving to do right. But thats just me. _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I was just wondering if anybody thinks it is possible that Satan may be worshipped in the churches and congregations. One of the last scriptures I posted kinda points to that. Your thoughts? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Plo, It is always an interesting thing to hear about other religions and peoples thoughts. Here in this thread it isn't very productive towards the topic at hand. In Psalm 94:11 we read: 11) The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are {vanity}[futile]. That verse would suggest that we are all waisting our time in a sense. Then we have other scriptures telling us that God saves His elect through the hearing of His Word and that it is sent into the world and will accomplish the task in which it was sent. May God Bless us all. DM, That is interesting what you posted, but read Mark 9:14-29. Here you will read about a boy which was tearing at himself, foaming out the mouth/gnashing his teeth, throwing his to the ground and into both fire and water trying to destroy him because of a spirit. I don't really believe that the boy wanted to do this. What do you think? I've got to run for now, but very interesting posts. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Plo Koon - Student 
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There is no NormalI met a monk who was tortured for 20 years and when he talked about it you could not believe how they made his body bend in the most horrible positions,and he is the most peacefull loving and compassionate man i have ever met. we have to accept the good and the bad together.the Budha has given me more enlightement and thought even after my brothers death then the almighty smightier of smiters...god.Irespect your religion and i respect everything except Evil and communism but remeber what Socrates said before he died... "I have devoted to my life to good and if I die,and there is a place where i can keep doing what i do i can keep making myself feel happy and help others but if there is nothing it will be like a dreamless sleep" going to church and hear this man chant foreeeveeeerrrhhhh and eeveerrrhhh when i was younger was too weird and funny,i slept most of the time,now i see that church to me is a place to hide from the bad and supossedly "know my brothers loving in heaven" but you cant make something seem alright and thats why the Budha has given me more thought of love and compassion and respect for every living creature.Compassion for all living beings = "Aum Mani Padme Aum". There are Good things and Bad things,people who go running around saying there's nothing but good try to blind the fact that there is bad and sad things out there...and the people who go running around saying that everything is bad and it sucks or are always complaining dont know the truth,how good they have it or their 12 year old greifer punk kids. Accept the bad and accept the good as a whole and see that in life there will always be bad,sad,and terrifying moments and that there will be Beutiful,loving,compassionite,happy and caring moments.You can see it as there are Terrifying things and there are Beutiful things.  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Sep 18 2004 02:57am. |
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Duffman - Student 
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im amazed to find a place online that has ppl expressing thier faith en mase!!!! and in a place for gaming!!!!! rock on!!! _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Koyi, real quick i am short on time. Satan is the Lord of the Earth. He def has influence here. Even those of us who are Christians, we still are tempted. The Bible says the devil is like a roaring lion waiting to devour us. (i can look up the scripture later) His ultimate goal is to drag us down to the pit with him. He knows his days are numbered, (he can read too). There is a big difference between "OPRESSION" and "POSSESSION". My personal experience and the things I have seen. Satan still cant control you unless you open your mind to it. But the blood of Jesus is a sword and a shield that we have at our ready. He can not touch a child of God. He can tempt, but the spirit of the Lord raises up a standard against him and no weapon formed against us shall prosper. PRAISE GOD. So powerful. Satan is an idiot, in fact the Bible says that in the end when all of us beheld Satan, we were startled and amazed at how SMALL and WEAK he actually is. (i will find that scripture)... conclusion: he only has the power we give him and only has the credit we give him. As a blood bought child of God, to me, he is small and pathetic and I give him no credit because my right is to call on the name of Jesus, and he must flee. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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You know something, I was meditating on the Word yesterday and it suddenly hit me that Satan can play more of an active role in controling people's lives. Remember the boy who was throwing himself into the ground? The same who tried to burn and drown himself I believe. No normal person would do such a thing and when Jesus removed the devil from him he was cured. That brings me to another scripture where God commanded Satan not to touch the grass of the field which I believe was in revelation. It almost seems to me that Satan has full power over the flesh and mind of man so long as that person isn't a true child of God. I will look up the scriptures today and post them later. Sorry about that mistake.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Wow DM. The first scripture you posted in Isaiah I have read before, but not the second. I'm currently reading through the Psalms very slowly taking glimpses into other parts of the Bible that relate and I hope to finish soon because I have never read through Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, or any of the other prophets from start to finish. So much I don't know. I see how the language is very simular with the casting to the ground and there is a strong sense that this is refering to Satan, but I would like to be cautious with this one. I haven't studied the subject of Lucifer/Satan/the devil very well, but I would like to throw out a few scriptures pointing us towards certain truths about him. In John 17:11, 12 we read: 11) And now I am no {more} [longer] in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost [destroyed], but the son of {perdition} [destruction]; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Also in John 6:66-71 we read: 66) From that time many of his disciples went {back} [away], and walked no more with him. 67) Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68) Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69) And we believe and {are sure} [know] that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. 70) Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 71) He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. With these two verses, we know that Judas is being refered to as a devil or the son of perdition. The devil or Satan can be shown to be the son of perdition. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9 we read: 3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5) Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6) And now ye know what {withholdeth} [is restraining] that he might be revealed in his time. 7) For the {mystery} [hidden truth] of {iniquity} [lawlessness] doth already work: only he who now {letteth will let} [restrains will do so], until he be taken out of the way. 8) And then shall that {Wicked} [Lawless One] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the {spirit} [breath] of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, Okay, so with these verses we know that God was/is well aware of Satans workings even around Christ. Jesus very well could have easily been killed by Satan at anytime being in the person of Judas since Jesus did die on the cross. Why didn't Satan do it knowing that Christ came into the world to do God's work having perfect opportunity to frustrate God's will? Two things come to my mind which my not be truely accurate or missing information. 1 - The character of Satan is that of a tempter. He leads those who are suseptable to his wiles, not forces them. I'm not really sure how he does this but we have the examples of the Garden of Eden, the story of Job, and Judas to look at for some information. 2 - He is the father of lies. Great is his illusions toward making us believe that what we are doing is good, okay, or acceptable. It's hard to picture what God's relationship to Satan is at this moment in time if there is any at all, but we know that God has ultimate power over all. Other scriptures that I will post at another time will show us that God uses Satan as a tool to achieve certain things. Just some food for thought. May God add His Blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Sep 16 2004 12:13pm. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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yay! /me cheers DM on!!! Understood sared. Awesome question btw! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Satan’s fall from heaven is described in Isaiah 14:12-14 [i]Isaiah 14 12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! 13 You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. [1] 14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." [/i] and Ezekiel 28:12-18. Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. {13} Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. {14} Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. {15} Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. {16} By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. {17} Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. {18} Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. These passages describe why Satan fell, but they do not say when the fall occurred. What we do know is this: the angels were created before the earth was (Job 38:4-7) [i] 4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone- 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels [1] shouted for joy?[/i] , Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden (Gen 3:1-14). Satan’s fall must have occurred somewhere after the time the angels were created and before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Whether Satan’s fall occurred a few days before he tempted Adam and Eve in the garden or a few years, Scripture does not specifically say. Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God. Notice the many "I will..." statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Anyways, that is what I see that the word says about that bastard. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Sared - Retired 
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Your in TS frequently, talk to me on there sometime, lot easier than on a message board. Otherwise, please keep it on-topic. SK: I KNOW that Koyi can pull all the answers right out for us, I just want to see if anyone else can/will. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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so you say all the sadness,hatred,and killing and all evil stuff in the world is caused by our sins? like how those little russian children sinned so much to get took up by terrorists,seeing there teachers get shot through the brain,drinking there own pee so they weren't thirsty....for over 3 weeks held by the al Qaeda.sure those little children sinned so much uh huh yeah...  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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I think satan was a fallen angel. Don't ask me where in the bible it says that though. How come you don't want Koyi to answer ya? I am sure he has the answer for you right out of the bible. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Where exactly in the Bible is this info? |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I've always learned it was the Angel Michael who fought Beëlzebub and threw him to the earth... might be wrong though _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Iceman - away- - Student |
His name was Lucifer. He wanted more power and wanted to become God. Other angels joined him but God banned them to Earth. (A long time since I read it last time so might be wrong on some points) |
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Sared - Retired
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Alright, you might want to shoot me if this gets out of hand, but it IS a valid subject of discussion. The Devil. He is alive and well. He is the prince of the air, and has real power in this world. Where did he come from? The Bible says that he was the Angel of Light, and the director of music in heaven. How did he go from one to the other? I am looking for someone other than Koyi to answer that one.  (no offense mate ) _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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love ya koyi! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Wow. It's been awhile since this thread has been used. I never really feel like I have complete truth when it comes to some of the subjects in the Bible. So much of the scriptures I have posted point in one directions while yet others confuse me. With that stated, I was wondering where we are with the subject of "Salvation"? Is anybody any doubts to the truths they hold to other then me? Also, I started a study on the words that Jesus spoke concerning gaining your life and losing it, but losing your life and gaining it. It was going pretty good when I misplaced the papers so I will search for those again. I miss hearing from you guys. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Wow this forum has died. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Jade - Student
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I'll back that one too Smiley. That was an Excellent parable. Good to remind us that God wants us to be humble. Well done and nice one again Koyi Jade _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" |
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