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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: It gives no samples of Christians who belong to the "universal church" but have no link with a local church. Church Pwnz0rz... -DM- This will be something of great interest to study and actually ties in with Satan who I've wanted to do a good study of. Satan ties into idol worship for it is he that is the temptor. He may be able to control people, but I think for the most part he just hangs that apple (troubles and sin) out there right in front of our faces leading us but not forcing us to do it. I know that Jesus is God and maybe that is what saved Him from the devils, but it makes me wonder why any of them didn't try to force Him to do anything by possession. After all, He too was a man. I wonder if a devil actually possesses someonee into doing something very bad, if that person is held accountible for it. Alot of questions that I would like to search out and will get too after I post the rest of my study so we can discuss it. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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When you become a Christian, you are called into a relationship with God. 1 Corinthians 1:9 "God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord". But I John 1:3 makes it clear that we enter a fellowship that goes two ways: with God and with other Christians. I John 1:3 "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ." The New Testament never divides Christians into the church members and the non-church members. All the way through, it assumes that everybody participates in their local assembly. It gives no samples of Christians who belong to the "universal church" but have no link with a local church. Wherever Christians are within range of each other in the New Testament, they meet. Every time the apostle Paul comes to a town in the book of Acts where there are no Christians, he wins a few converts and immediately organizes them into a small group - a little church. Acts 20:7 reveals the practice of the early church: "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached to them." For Christians in every location, regular gathering was a part of life. It's illogical to say that you are merely part of the worldwide, universal church, yet refuse to gather with the segment of that universal church that exists in your geographical area. It would be like claiming you have a car, when the right fender is in Phoenix, the engine is in Tucson, and the wheels are in Paradise Valley! You don't have a car; you have the beginning of the inventory for a junkyard. It just won't function until the pieces are put together. The church must be together to carry out many of its purposes. Here are some irreplaceable pieces of the Christian that cannot happen when you live in isolation from the church: 1. USE OF SPIRITUAL GIFTS I Corinthians 12 makes it clear that God has given spiritual gifts to every Christian. And verse 7 states unmistakably that these abilities are not provided to make you feel good; they are abilities to minister that should be used for the common good! I Peter 4:10 commands us to use spiritual gifts to help each other. 0 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. The same passage makes it clear that we meet with other Christians so they can use their gifts to strengthen us. God's gift of a preacher or teacher is wasted if no one comes to hear them speak. 2. MUTUAL MINISTRY The church is pictured as a body in I Corinthians 12, and Paul explains that each part of the body exists to meet the needs of other body parts. In the same way, God intends each of us to meet the needs of other believers, using our strengths to help in their areas of weakness. I Corinthians 12:21 expresses it this way: "The eye cannot say to the hand, I have no need of you." Neither can a Christian claim to be self-sufficient today. The New Testament is full of "one another" commands. We are to comfort one another (I Thessalonians 4:18), build up one another (I Thessalonians 5:11), confess our sins to one another (James 5:16), pray for one another (James 5:16), and many more. How can we obey these directives if we stay away from the gathering of believers? My main focus on church is to ONE, raise my kids in the truth so in the end they won't depart from it and TWO, be obiedient and get strength to live right. Plus, I love worshiping God, The Bible says God inhabits the praises of His people (Psalm 22:3) and, In thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore(Psalm 16:11). In praising God we experience His presence and His presence makes our lives better and this world a more joyful place. Church Pwnz0rz... -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 22 2004 05:15pm. |
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FaDed - Student 
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Matthew 16:13-18 KJV 13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. what is this rock that the church will be built upon? the popular interpretation of this scripture is that Peter is the rock because of the greek origin of his name. Petros, the masculine form, is translated as 'small rock' while petra, the feminine form, is translated as 'bedrock.' in the greek bible, the form used is petra. why would the greek bible use the feminine form if Christ was talking about Peter, his senior apostle? perhaps Christ wasn't referring to Peter when he said, "and upon this rock I will build my church." if it's not Peter, what else could it be? in verse 15, Christ asks Peter, "But whom say ye that I am?" Peter replies, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." it is in verse 17 that we find our answer when Christ said, "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Peter did not know the answer to Christ's question because man had told him, but because it had been revealed to him through the Father's spirit. Christ's church wasn't built upon men, but upon revelation. for the scriptures came to men through revelation and it is by revelation that the church Christ established was directed, even after his death. it may be asked then, how is it that the gates of hell did not prevail if revelation has stopped? the apostles prophecied that there would be a time of darkness, where the keys of the priesthood given to them would not be on earth. a time known as the apostasy. Isaiah 24:3-5 KJV 3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. 4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Amos 8:11-12 KJV 11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. Acts 20:28-30 KJV 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 KJV-JST 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled by ltter, except ye recieve it from us; neither by spirit, nor by word, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for there shall come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; the prophets knew about the apostasy and they prophecied concerning it. they knew that the church would fall away from what Christ originally established. this knowledge came by revelation, through the Spirit, and thus it is of God. the gates of hell have not prevailed against revelation because it was by revelation that these things were known. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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I just have to say its really nice to have this thread being used for bible discussion again. No disagreements or anything, just a good study/discussion into Gods word, the bible. Thank you guys for making this thread so great to read and be apart of! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Xanatos - Student 
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Jade - Student 
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Good work Koyi, Nothing to add, but to say thanks. Me's reading this and trying to learn. Thank you again...you have inspired me more to look at the scriptures...I have boughts eBible for my handheld so I can read on the train to and from work....  I am thankful to you all again!My God Bless You All! Jade _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Moving on. This next scripture has been posted quite a large number of times, but I feel it doesn't hurt to look at again. We are truely sinful creatures through and through. These scriptures prove it once we quiet our minds and listen to God. On our own, we are dead in our sins. In Romans 3:1-31 we read: 1) WHAT advantage then hat the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2) Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4) God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, THAT THOU MIGHTEST BE JUSTIFIED IN THY SAYINGS, AND MIGHTEST OVERCOME WHEN THOU ART JUDGED. 5) But if our unrighteousness comment the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6) God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? 7) For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8) And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. 9) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10) As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE: 11) THERE IS NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH, THERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD. 12) THEY ARE ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, THEY ARE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO, NOT ONE. 13) THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN SEPULCHER; WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY HAVE USED DECEIT; THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS: 14) WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS: 15) THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD: 16) DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR WAYS: 17) AND THE WAY OF PEACE HAVE THEY NOT KNOWN: 18) THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES. 19) Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the worl may become guilty before God. 20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29) Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30) Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. I just want to take a quick look at a few verses. In verses 21 and 22, we see that it is worded "righteousness of God" and "which is by faith of Jesus Christ". Verse 23 is a summery of verses 9-20. Verse 24 "justified freely by his grace" Verse 25 "Whom God hath set forth" and "through the forbearance of God" Verse 26 "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness" and "the justifier of him" Verse 27 shows us that it's all His work so we can say we did or do anything. Boasting is excluded. Verse 28 is the tricky one, but I have searched it and will be revealed hopefully. Patience please. "a man is justified by faith"Verses 29 and 30 tells us that God is God over all in a world wide sense, both saved and unsaved. Our faith is work. We can't be justified by it at any time because we aren't saved by works. This was in view quite some time ago. In 1 Thessalonians 1:3 we read: 3) Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; In 2 Thessalonians 1:11,12 we read: 11) Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: 12) That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. We are justified by our faith being that it is proof that we have become saved full of good works through the Spirit of God. So the scriptures posted earlier are true because we are justified, but the whole picture wasn't quite in view. Alot more to come, but I must go for now and don't want to make this exhaustingly long. (hopes that it isn't already) May God add His Blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: I have also read the scripture posted by Koyi, it is definitely worth reading (what isn't when it comes to the Bible ) but this particular piece talks about how Christians should live our their lives: it's not who you know, but who you are and what actions you take that matter most, and Paul says that 'the Day of Judgement will make it seen' (v13). I'll leave it at that, for I'm interested to see what Koyi says about this passage. First of all, Hello and welcome. It is so wonderful to have you joining us in these discussions. I have just updated the scripture I wanted to share earlier and I hope that answers you question. I'm also in the middle of a study and will be posting more scripture very soon. Quote: Edit: And one last thing. I see that the #ja-cu thread has just started, but it isn't very active. I thought that perhaps we could organise live discussions on some RL topics, Bible passages or just simply a time for a meet. If any of you have any ideas, or want to help out with it, PM me and maybe we could organise something.  There's a thread! I must be blind. Nevertheless, if there is I think this would be a great idea. My schedule is a little wacky, but would love to be there. At the very least, could someone record the juicy discussions for me to read if I am not present? Once again, hello and welcome Quesi. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Smily, Sorry it took me so long to post. Been real busy lately.  That Psalm I believe is more true now days than even back then. The trials and tribulations we go through to day are not the same as those back then, but we still go through them. It should always be a practice to hand difficulties over to God and let him deal with them. It relieves a burden and feels so good to call out to God. He always listens to us and is faithful and just to help us out and give us the strength to get through any of lifes hardhships. GREAT POST SMILY!!!!!! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Quesi - Student 
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Just a little note to start off: Hi all, first time I've posted in this thread. I'm new(ish) to the academy, and I just want to say that this little post here is a great idea you can see me idling in the #ja-cu thread if you want to talk. May our understanding be furthered by the truths of God's words that are posted here Smily, I've looked at your posted Scripture and thought about it for a while. Forgive me if I post scriptures different to your own, as I use a different translation. I agree with you: David was in a very stressful situation, and his prayer is simply the acknowledgement of God's existence. Sometimes this is all we need to do in our prayers and David does just that. He praises the Lord just for being there, for 'The Lord protects those who truly believe' (v23). I think this is a great message for anybody in desperation or anyone encounters difficult situations. God is always there for us, through thick and thin, as David says 'You are my rock and my protection' (v3). Even in the toughest times, when David is surrounded by hostile enemies, his complete faith in God is what preserves him as he says 'Lord, I trust you. I have said, 'You are my God'. My life is in your hands.' (v14-15) You are in no way wrong what-so-ever to relate this to nowadays, it is as relevant now as it ever was. God has a plan, so we need not worry about anything that comes our way. This message doesn't just apply to those in difficult situations, but to all of us: how we should put all our trust in God, affirm our faith, and pray that he will deliver us from harm. Thankyou for posting it I have also read the scripture posted by Koyi, it is definitely worth reading (what isn't when it comes to the Bible ) but this particular piece talks about how Christians should live our their lives: it's not who you know, but who you are and what actions you take that matter most, and Paul says that 'the Day of Judgement will make it seen' (v13). I'll leave it at that, for I'm interested to see what Koyi says about this passage.May God grant us understanding of these readings. Amen. Edit: And one last thing. I see that the #ja-cu thread has just started, but it isn't very active. I thought that perhaps we could organise live discussions on some RL topics, Bible passages or just simply a time for a meet. If any of you have any ideas, or want to help out with it, PM me and maybe we could organise something. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great This comment was edited by Quesi on Jul 21 2004 02:46pm. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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No one has anything to say on my scripture? Awwww I was hoping to get some feedback hehe _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: Jeff explained me that humanity is doomed and that God only can save a part of it. I can't accept this idea, not only because it doesn't suit me, but just because I believe some people are just gold, and some others are dirt. Hey, this kinda reminded me of a scripture and I just want to post it really quick. In 1 Corinthians 3:11-20 we read: 11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, prescious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14) If any man's work abide which he hath build thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17) If any man difile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 18) Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19) For the wisdom of this world is follishness with God. For it is written, HE TAKETH THE WISE IN THEIR OWN CRAFTINESS. 20) And again, THE LORD KNOWETH THE THOUGHTS OF THE WISE, THAT THEY ARE VAIN. The first verses are the talking of building God's temple which is His people. Gold, silver, and precious stones can not be harmed by fire and will be the elect of God while the wood, hay, and stubble will burn away in unquenchable fire. I believe that this could a picture of the churches now a days. In them, you have true believers and those who believe that they are saved. Another thought is the work of men bring the gospel. Some will be saved through the hearing of God's Word, and some will not. As we continue the study, hopefully it will illustrate how a true believer takes on Christ in his body and lives according to God's commandments. Now some try to do these things tripping on the stumbling stone of offense which is Christ or God's Word using their own reasoning to come to belief. Others may try to be more Christ-like and put on an image of what would seem to be a true Christian, but without God's Spirit they will burn away too on the day of Christ's return. The other verses are just some good humbling words full of knowledge. We don't know anything. God must teach us and it would be best for us to take our earthly thinking (which is our persona's that can't just be cast aside for we are who we are) and do away with in listening very carefully to what God has to say. Once again and doesn't hurt to repeat, we know nothing. May God add His Blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Sorry for the late reply Jade Thanks for your kind comment. However I don't think I'm lost nor to be called 'poor Odan-Wei' Searching is something I enjoy even though is might be frustrating sometimes. I can't honestly say I believe in God nor that I really need to name Him. I just know inside of me that no scientific theory will ever be satisfying because there must be something more than a random and improbable event that created the universe we live in. That's my only strong belief for now, call it a sign or a proof of God's existence if you wish. So, don't worry because I haven't found my way yet Jeff explained me that humanity is doomed and that God only can save a part of it. I can't accept this idea, not only because it doesn't suit me, but just because I believe some people are just gold, and some others are dirt. Why is that? I don't know, but my aim is to never become dirt and instead shine like gold, hoping that the path I follow may positively influence the people I met and will meet. But thank you again Jade for your kind words _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here This comment was edited by Odan-Wei Belouve on Jul 20 2004 05:27pm. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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I have a questiong about psalm 31. What is it saying to you guys? I am trying to relate it to nowadays and maybe I am wrong for that, but for some reason it is speaking to me as so. Thoughts? Heres Psalm 31. (KJV) 1)In thee, O Lord, do I put my trust; let me never be ashamed: deliver me in thy righteousness. 2)Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be thou my strong rock, for a house of defense to save me. 3)For thou are my rock and my fortress; therefore for the name's sake lead me, and guide me. 4)Pull me out of the net that they have laid privily for me: for thou art my strenght. 5)Into thine hand I commit my spirit; thou has redeemed me, O Lord God of truth. 6)I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the Lord. 7)I will be glad and rejoice in thy mercy: for thou hast considered my trouble; thou hast known my soul in adversities; 8)And hast not shut me up into the hand of the enemy: thou hast set my feet in a large room. 9)Have mercy upon me, O Lord, for I am in trouble: mine eye is consumed with grief, yea my soul and my belly. 10)For my life is spent with grief, and my years with sighing: my strength faileth because of mine iniquity, and my bones are consumed. 11)I was a reproach among all mine enemies, but especially among my neighbors, and a fear to mine acquaintance: they that did see me without fled from me. 12)I am forgotten as a dead man out of mind: I am like a broken vessel. 13)For I have heard the slander of many: fear was on every side: while they took counsel together against me, they devised to take away my life. 14)But I trusted in thee, O Lord: I said Thou art my God. 15)My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me. 16)Make thy face to shine upon thy servant: save me for thy mercies' sake. 17)Let me not be ashamed, O Lord; for I have called upon thee: let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave. 18)Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievousously against the righteous. 19)Oh how great is thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; which thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men! 20)Thou shalt hide them in the secret of thy presence from the pride of man; thou shalt keep them secretly in a pavilion from the strife of tongues. 21)Blessed be the Lord: for he hath showed me his marvelous kindness in a strong city. 22)For I said in my haste, I am cut off from before thine eyes nevertheless thou heardest the voice of my supplications when I cried unto thee. 23)O love the Lord, all ys his saints: for the Lord preserveth wardeth the proud doer. 24)Be of good courage, and he shall strenghten your heart, all ya that hope in the Lord. To me this sounds like David was in a real stressful situation, and this shows how he felt during this time. It sounds a lot like life is today sometimes. So stressful that it overwhelms you. I just thought I would post this so if anyone is stressed out or depressed, etc, read Davids words. I can totally relate and I thought it might help. Also if you have any thoughts on this psalm and its meaning please post it. I am very interested in knowing what you think about it. Edit: I found it really interesting to see Davids words here. They arent like some people are nowadays when in pain or trouble. They are just prayful words, praying for the wicked, and humbling to God as well. Makes me think about how I feel and pray sometimes when I feel I really need God in my life. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Jul 20 2004 06:51am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Faded. That's a great question. I would like to point back to Romans 9:4-33. This has alot of get info. on God's salvation plan. He created men, both for grace and wrath to show the sides of His nature. How He is a perfect God fully just in His judgements and full of righteousness. I think that if it had been Adam who defected first, the result would have been the same although there is a spiritual lesson to be learned by the womans being is subjection to man for her error. The true believers are to be the bride of Christ and they are always under Him. If man defected first, who knows how that would play out in the mind of God. Perhaps the man would be under the woman and God may have chose to present Himself as a woman to us. Interesting thought. Satan is God's tool as I see it. He's used Satan throughout history to achieve some of His goals, lessons, and purposes. He is the tempter and the father of all lies. I do believe that God could have made this whole thing a perfect existance, but how better to show His creation His awesome power, love, mercy, and of course His anger and wrath then the salvation plan He has set up for us all. He takes away iniquity and pays for sins, a punishment equivalent to spending eternity in hell. For each sin and we all are full of them. One person saved is a billion (I don't know if this is an accurate number) lifetime or eternities spent in hell and He is going to save a number followed by a great multitude. WOW. God is truely Amazing and Almighty. I pray that each and everyone of us make it there into His heavenly kingdom where we call all stand in awe of His awesome presense and glory. Glory be to God on high. May God add His Blessing to this thread as we earnestly search for truth. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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FaDed - Student 
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here's a new topic that i would like to discuss. the events surrounding the temptation and the fall of adam. in the Bible it explains that Eve was first tempted and ate the fruit, then she brought it to Adam and he ate. Genesis 3:6 KJV 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gae also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. now i wonder, why is that the fall of man is attributed to Adam when Eve was the first to be beguiled and transgress God's commandments? i would like to know your view surrounding the fall, what would have happened had Adam and Eve obeyed God's law, and what is Satan's role in the fall and also in God's plan of salvation. |
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FaDed - Student
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i would love to discuss these contradictions with you in the other thread. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: it contains the same teachings, the same lessons, the same prophecies, but as you said, it brings a greater understanding to them. there are things contained in the Book of Mormon that you would not find in the Bible, but nothing that would be contrary to the teachings already established. also along with the Book of Mormon, we believe that our prophets bring even more light and knowledge because they are continually receiving revelation from our Heavenly Father. Sorry FaDed, but I cannot accept that. The Book of Mormon (and no, I'm not speaking out of no knowledge of it either) contradicts the Bible in many places. It is not all, as you say, in line with the Bible in every area. The Bible however, as was already posted, does say that nothing is to be added, removed or modified. The Book of Mormon adds, removes and modifies what the Bible says. So it is not only in breech of God's rules in one way, but in three. Don't take it as personal - beacuse its not. I'm simply stating Biblical facts and the Bible, and comparing them with the Book of Mormon. _______________ Website |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: You know what would be really cool James? If once we discuss the Bible to a point of where we all feel good about the scriptures and need an extra project, we could start a new thread where we post those lists and pull apart each and every contradiction through further study. Sounds exhausting, but you did a great job and would love to help you if I could. Don't know if I would be that well versed in the Bible to do that though. Yeah, that would be cool BTW, I'm just sitting around here and watching this thread - I just can't believe some of the stuff going on in here (not only bad stuff, but good stuff). So don't mind me if I don't post for a couple of days. _______________ Website |
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Shang Chi - Student 
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Another e-mail for debate EYES ON THE LIGHT _________________________ Colossians 3:1-14 (NRSV) So if you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth, for you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life is revealed, then you also will be revealed with him in glory. Put to death, therefore, whatever in you is earthly: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed (which is idolatry). On account of these the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient. These are the ways you also once followed, when you were living that life. But now you must get rid of all such things--anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive language from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have stripped off the old self with its practices and have clothed yourselves with the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of its creator. In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all! As God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience. Bear with one another and, if anyone has a complaint against another, forgive each other; just as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. _________________________ Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. - Colossians 3:2 (NIV) _________________________ THE car ahead cruised forward, and I followed, unaware that anything was amiss, until my husband said, "You ran the red light." Sure enough, the light was red. The driver ahead of us had run the light, and I had too. Content to follow the car in front, I had taken my eyes off the light that was supposed to determine my actions. It's easy to let those around us influence us. But as people "raised with Christ" (Col. 3:1), we are to set our sights on Christ rather than on other people or earthly things. If we don't keep our eyes fixed on Christ, our attitudes and actions will be determined by those on whom we do fix our eyes. And the truth is, everyone "runs red lights" at one time or another. Paul says, "Follow my example," but adds, "as I follow the example of Christ" (1 Cor. 11:1). It's wonderful to have Christians we can look up to, but we are to follow them only to the extent that they follow Christ. Prayer: Father, help us to keep our eyes fixed firmly upon Christ and to follow him faithfully as we pray, "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."* THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: If we take our eyes off Christ, we risk being led astray. -- Tanya Ferdinandusz (Colombo, Sri Lanka) _______________ Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Faded. What you just posted scares me. Thank you for the info. though. Let us continue this over on the other thread please. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I'm back with yet another limited amount of time so I will try to post what I can. Let us take a look into Romans for this book holds so much truth when it comes to God and His salvation plan. In Rom. 9:4-33 we read: 4) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED. 8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9) For this is the word of promise, AT THIS TIME WILL I COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON. 10) And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) 12) It was said unto her, THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER. 13) As it is written, JACOB HAVE i LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED. 14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15) For he saith to Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION. 16) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but God that showeth mercy. 17) For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, EVEN FOR THIS SAME PURPOSE HAVE I RAISED THEE UP, THAT I MIGHT SHOW MY POWER IN THEE, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE DECLARED THROUGHOUT ALL THE EARTH 18) Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20) Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21) Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor? 22) What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24) Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25) As he saith also in Hosea, I WILL CALL THEM MY PEOPLE, WHICH WERE NOT MY PEOPLE; AND HER BELOVED, WHICH WAS NOT BELOVED. 26) AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID UNTO THEM. YE ARE NOT MY PEOPLE; THERE SHALL THEY BE CALLED THE CHILDREN OF THE LIVING GOD. 27) Isaiah also crieth concerning Israel, THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, A REMNANT SHALL BE SAVED: 28) FOR HE WILL FINISH THE WORK, AND CUT IT SHORT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: BECAUSE A SHORT WORK WILL THE LORD MAKE UPON THE EARTH. 29) And as Isaiah said before, EXCEPT THE LORD OF SABAOTH HAD LEFT US A SEED, WE HAD BEEN AS SODOM, AND BEEN MADE LIKE UNTO GOMORRHA. 30) What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31) But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, have not attained to the law of righteousness. 32) Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone; 33) As it is written, BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STUMBLING STONE AND ROCK OF OFFENSE: AND WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT BE ASHAMED. These are great scriptures that help us to see that all of God's elect are preordained unto salvation, created unto His wonderful mercy. The rest were prepared unto dishonor and wrath to show His wrath for how can one truely know God's love without seeing His wrath that one is saved from? It's late and I have to get up early. I hope this sheds a bit more light on the beliefs that I cling to. I'm getting to justification through faith and of works. Almost there. Just need a good block of time. Until then.May God add His Blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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FaDed - Student
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it contains the same teachings, the same lessons, the same prophecies, but as you said, it brings a greater understanding to them. there are things contained in the Book of Mormon that you would not find in the Bible, but nothing that would be contrary to the teachings already established. also along with the Book of Mormon, we believe that our prophets bring even more light and knowledge because they are continually receiving revelation from our Heavenly Father. This comment was edited by FaDed on Jul 19 2004 06:10am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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That is an interesting point Faded. I'll look into that a bit myself and come back to ya. Thank you for your input. The only thing that disturbs me about this whole thing is the Bible warns about false prophets bringing false gospels. The Bible will tell us that Holy men of old spoke as God the Holy Spirit moved them. I even think Paul warned if any would bring a gospel outside of what he brings would be a lie or something to that effect. I'll have to look for these. One question I would have to ask is does the book of mormon hold additional lessons, teachings, or prophecies outside of the Bible or does it just expand on or bring more light to them? If it prophesied more, I would be most frightened of it personally. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Jul 19 2004 05:40am. |
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FaDed - Student
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concerning the verse in Revelation 22:18-19 where it states that no more may be added to the Bible, lest the author's name be removed from the Book of Life. i believe that this is the truth and that the Book of Mormon is in no way in violation of that. the Book of Mormon is to be used in conjunction with the Bible as a witness of Christ, his mission and his divinity. no where in the Bible does it say that the word of God ends with the Bible. it just says add no more to the Bible. that does not mean that God could not have given scripture to people elsewhere and had them write it down. Matthew 13:10-12 KJV-JST 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 for whosoever receiveth, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance; but whosoever continueth not to receive, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. i would say it behooveth us not to say, we have the Bible and that is all we need. according to this principle taught by Jesus, he says that to him that is given, he shall receive more. But if he says no more, i have enough, he will lose not only that, but also that which he has already been given. |
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