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Jul 01 2004 01:41am

Koyi Donita
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Koyi Donita
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible.
Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing.

I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth.

May God bless us all through his wonderful Word.

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For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE

The Bible Gateway

-DM-


Thank you Darth Mobility. :)
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. :D

This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm.

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Jul 19 2004 04:13am

SaberWeildinKow
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 SaberWeildinKow

Hey guys, sorry for the disturbance :/

Jul 19 2004 03:20am

Koyi Donita
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 Koyi Donita

Not really. I just searched that out not that long ago earlier on the thread and what you said reminded me of it. Happy to have helped you out.
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. :D


Jul 19 2004 03:03am

SaberWeildinKow
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 SaberWeildinKow

lol yea, I was planning on heading to James too, nice call :P

This comment was edited by SaberWeildinKow on Jul 19 2004 03:05am.

Jul 19 2004 03:02am

Koyi Donita
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 Koyi Donita

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Faith is fundamental, but careful, Christ did teach that we are Not saved by Faith alone, but by actions also. I'll look up a reference for that.


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In James 2:14-26 we read:
14) What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
19) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: and he was called the Friend of God.
24) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25) Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


I'm not sure if this is the scripture you were looking for Kow, but I think it is. :)
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. :D


This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Jul 19 2004 03:03am.

Jul 19 2004 02:55am

Koyi Donita
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 Koyi Donita

Jade. Thank you for your kind comments and your ability to try to keep all of our eyes on what's important.

My knowledge isn't anything great. All I try to do is compare scriptures with scriptures hoping that in this manner I can discover truth. I also try to remain as humble to the scriptures as possible. Look at the pharasies. These men were the trusted men who handled the gospel, but were so far from truth. They knew God's Word and could tell you scriptures, but they failed to see the true meaning because God never opened their eyes to the truths therein. Even the apostles when told that Jesus would die and raise again in 3 days never knew what He was telling them. So many illustrations are in the Bible were men have the truth right in their face, and they don't see it at all, even Jesus in their midst and they didn't know it was Him until He let them. We all have to be very carful because God gives us truth. We of ourselves are blind to truth. We should never think we know anything for sure. There could be a message as clear as day right in our faces in the Bible and unless God opens our eyes to it, we will never see it.

We know that God saves through His Word so all I would like for all of us to do is post as much of the Bible as possible and we can discuss it here to search for truth. Not saying we are on the road to salvation, not saying this is profitable, just saying that this is a good thing.

Thanks again Jade. :)
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. :D


Jul 19 2004 02:44am

SaberWeildinKow
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 SaberWeildinKow

Faith is fundamental, but careful, Christ did teach that we are Not saved by Faith alone, but by actions also. I'll look up a reference for that.



Jul 19 2004 02:15am

Shang Chi
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 Shang Chi

Just read this on e-mail. I have been reading all of everyone's posts. Great discussion everyone. Hope this will be relavent to this discussion. It always helps to start my day or end my day by reading these e-mails.


FAITH MAKES THE DIFFERENCE
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Hebrews 11:8-12 (NRSV)

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to set out for a place that
he was to receive as an inheritance; and he set out, not knowing where
he was going. By faith he stayed for a time in the land he had been
promised, as in a foreign land, living in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob,
who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he looked forward to
the city that has foundations, whose architect and builder is God. By
faith he received power of procreation, even though he was too old--and
Sarah herself was barren--because he considered him faithful who had
promised. Therefore from one person, and this one as good as dead,
descendants were born, "as many as the stars of heaven and as the innumerable
grains of sand by the seashore."

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By grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own
doing; it is the gift of God.
- Ephesians 2:8 (NRSV)
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IN reading the Old Testament stories about Moses, Abraham, and Jacob, I
often wondered how God could use them and love them when they had done
terrible things like deceive and murder. But when I reflect upon my
own life, I realize that in spite of my failures, God has used me.

The author of the Letter to the Hebrews helps to solve the mystery.
God didn't choose these people because of their good or bad actions; God
chose them because of their faith. God used them and they became
examples for us. In spite of their sins, they believed in God's power and
promises. Their faith made the difference.

And so it is with me and you. It is not what we have or have not done
that causes God to use us. It is our faith in God's promises as
revealed in Jesus Christ that leads us to obey God and love God and our
fellow human beings.

Prayer: Dear God, thank you for the stories of faithfulness we read in
the Bible. Show us how we, too, can live out our faith in your
promises. Amen.

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY:
God uses us not because we are perfect but because we believe.

-- Paul C. Burke (Mississippi, U.S.A.)

PRAYER FOCUS: For greater faith
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Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness.

Jul 19 2004 01:01am

Jade
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 Jade

Hi Guys/Girls

Me's lost track of whats going on here....:(

Sorry but I am only seeing conversations trying to prove that the book of Mormons is valid or not.....very dangerous! PLEASE lets not go there! This is likened to debating about whether divorce is acceptable (Catholism vs Church of England)....Too dangerous to go there....many many arguments are awaiting there.

As I mentioned earlier. Please dont let this become religion vs religion. As I mentioned in another earlier comment (and please dont get me wrong...I am not imposing this on you, but it was very personal to me)...."It is not the house that matters but the heart"

I have studied some of the Book of Mormon during my search for God and to be honest my eyes were opened a lot from it.

However, though I have learned a lot about the scriptures, especially about the two sticks....can that be taken to another thread as it was getting very interesting, but has stopped the flow of this study.

Example: Poor Odan-Wei. He posted (Jul 16) saying that he is interested in Religion, but he cannot find one to suit him....he is searching for God. He only received 2 replies - DM and FaDed. Can we pull together to help...!? Let us set a good example to him and show our unity in our love of God so that he may find his way safely and soon.


Odan-Wei: I remember very clearly when I was searching just like you. I too was interested in religion having Buddist parents, but christian feelings....I did not know where to turn and nothing really fit me too. This is the search or to seek God.

You should ask yourself only one question....do you believe in God be he called Fred, Bob or if you like Wilma...? The fact is if you do, then concentrate on that. Dont get too confused with the small detail as to what religion. Concentrate on befriending him. Talk to him daily, nightly etc... Start a relationship with him and then all will become clear. He is your friend...best friend you will ever have and will always help you. He will help you find the right religion for you if that is still what you want.

I am happy to help in any way, even if it is someone to talk to....email me if you wish and thank you for your bravery in asking this question - Good luck!

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I just want to finish with asking you all a question. How close have you been to God? We all pray, but how has he answered your prayers...? Or have you had any close experiences of him...I have but will answer later...just wanted to hear yours first...:)


Take care everyone and may God Bless you all.

Love

Jade

PS:// Koyi...you blow me away with your knowledge of the scriptures...its a pleasure reading them...me still learning - Thx!!!
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"You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!"

This comment was edited by Jade on Jul 19 2004 01:05am.

Jul 18 2004 10:24pm

SaberWeildinKow
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 SaberWeildinKow

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Are you seeking scriptures to back up my beliefs? After all, to attack my beliefs is just rude.


To be honest to me it sounded like you were attacking when you said Quote:
Sure, the scriptures you posted would be so wonderful if that was all that was written in the Bible, but they aren't.


So I drew my motivation from there and when you wrote Quote:
, it's just that I don't want to fool myself through my own works that somehow Christ has entered into my life and saved me when it was all by my will.


It seemed and seems to me that here you were saying something like "I don't want to be fooled into believing that Christ has saved me, and has taught me what I know because in actuality, it was all me."

So I went about addressing the latter first, using (surprise surprise) the Bible. Then I addressed the former (which requires some use of the Book of Mormon) and justified scripture other than the Bible.

Btw I knew that you were implying a work in progress, but I knew you were going to quote yourself saying something other than what I was responding to, so I posted the exact words which I had responded to.

James, what did I take out of context? Those words were not scripture. In my mind I was making a conclusion based on what I had written.

Koyi, in your post following James', you stated that I should show a little bit of doubt when I speak...why? Courtesy? What is a testimony without conviction? I don't have to know Everything to know something...right?

3th, sorry bro, I keep rereading what you said about me and I keep missing it for some reason. Mind just restating it for me? Sorry about that.

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Maybe at some point in my life He will Bless me with His Holy Spirit and I will begin to walk in His commandments, but not by my works.


It is stated in the New Testament that the Holy Ghost descended upon Christ after his baptism. What do you think of this? Shouldn't we all receive the Holy Ghost after baptism? Why do you think Christ was baptized?

SmilyKrazy, I had no intention of imposing anything on anybody, but to respond to Koyi I think you would agree that I had to say something about the Book of Mormon.


DM, I think in the craze this post was lost Quote:
DM, how do you interpret Matthew 16:18?

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it [emphasis added].

Just curious




oi vea, I don't know how to respond to this

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but let us purify this thread for what it was intended for. PLEASE!!! How many times must I ask for this?

Anyway, let us carry on.


This comment was edited by SaberWeildinKow on Jul 18 2004 10:25pm.

Jul 18 2004 09:46pm

Koyi Donita
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 Koyi Donita

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Anyway, I haven't really ever kept up with this board, but what do you all think of the purpose of prayer? I mean, if Heavenly Father knows the desires of our hearts, why must we pray? How must we pray?

Just a thought.


Your right, this was a little over looked and I'm sorry. As I stated earlier in the thread I'm trying to get other scriptures up and out first not trying to tie myself up in too many subjects. Yes, Almighty God knows the beginning from the end and yes, He knows every hair on our heads down to the most finite details. Why is prayer important? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think because He commands us to. I'm not really sure if or where I read the scripture that says God turns a deaf ear to wicked men or something to that effect, but I would believe if that scripture truely exists( which I think is in the Psalms or Proverbs) I would draw the conclusion that it is more or less for the true believers. And even then He says somewhere that the Holy Spirit knows what you need before you or something to that effect and asks for you. Other scriptures say something to the effect that someone that is truely saved will have no need to ask for anything for all will already be given to them. I'm not really sure and I can't search these out right now. Bring it up again at a later time after I have finished my study and we will discuss this if you like. (Just my view on the whole thing. No definite answer.)

Hope this helps a bit. Anyone else care to add anything? I know I didn't and I'm sorry but please try to use scriptures so we can search out truth. :)
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. :D


Jul 18 2004 09:17pm

Koyi Donita
 - Student
 Koyi Donita

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And Koyi, I used a Direct quote from your post to formulate mine, and you answered mine using a Different quote from Your post!
Thanks,

Mike.


Okay, let us straighten this out. When you quoted from my post, it was still a work in the making. Check the edit down towards the bottom of the post you just had to quote off of. IT WASN'T FINISHED YET. I'm sorry I didn't hang some type of message in it stating that it was currently under constructions or an unfinished work in progress, but the fact remains.

You stated something about my beliefs, but you Italicized the quotes where it had to do with my works. That is why I responded with a "What?"

Are you seeking scriptures to back up my beliefs? After all, to attack my beliefs is just rude. Do my beliefs differ from yours? You talk about unanswered scripture posted? How about in earlier discussions where you brought to the table the idea that babies that die don't go to hell? Remember that one? I studied that one for a day and a half and posted quite a few scriptures that clearly showed that they can and infact do, but I don't remember you answering me back on that one. Should we pull that one up onto the table again to be discussed? Perhaps later because I'm too tied up in trying to clear an old issue which has caused alot of drama here in this thread.

HEY. Guess what? I open another thread!!! w00t w00t. :D

Now all literature can be discussed, but I kindly ask not here. Why the Lord hasn't moved you to respect my feelings and my wishes is above and beyond me. If these are the materials you want to post, why should I have to open a thread for it? Anyway, bring your additional material to the table over there where it can be discussed and we all can search for truth on that thread with those types of things, but let us purify this thread for what it was intended for. PLEASE!!! How many times must I ask for this?

Anyway, let us carry on. :)
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. :D


Jul 18 2004 08:35pm

Smilykrazy
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 Smilykrazy

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As far as your two sticks theory is concerned and the Book of Mormon being the other half of the Bible, I don't agree with that. Let us look at Ezekiel.

After the two sticks scriptures which have already been posted, we read in Ezekiel 37:20-22:
20) And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21) And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22) And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

In Ezekiel 37:16 we read:
16) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

These are the two sticks which you believe to be the Bible and the Book of Mormon. But let us look closer at the language. The first stick, for Judah, and the children of Israel his companions. The Jews, God's chosen people of the old testament. The second stick, for Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions. The house of Israel? The children and the house. What does God have to say about Israel?

In Romans 9:4-8 we read:
4) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED.
8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

God here is speaking of others who are considered Israel that aren't of Israel. Further study in the Bible will show that the promises of the old testament wasn't to the blood of the Jews, but to the Jews which were one inwardly.

In Romans 2:28 & 29 we read:
28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose prise is not of men, but of God.

So in the two sticks we have the children of Israel and the whole house of Israel. The first the believers out of the blood descendants of Abraham, God's first chosen people (which were a picture of all who would come to believe in Him) the Jews. The second, the Israel that are all not Israel, the believers of the whole world, the gentiles. The old testament written by Moses and the prophets for the Jews of blood, and the new testament written for the whole house, the entire world full of true believers not of the Jews but of the Gentiles too. These two books were sealed in Revelations which I quoted and you requoted for nothing should be taken away or added to these two books in one book. The so called prophet later to come with his visions or dreams or whatever claiming to have additional revelations from God is in direct violation to what is recorded in the Book of Revelations. He added unto the prophecy of the Bible after it was already completed and sealed. This is what the scriptures tell me. I'll be glad to admit that I'm not saved and would never want to believe that I hold the total truth or that I did an extensive study on these scriptures. I could very well be wrong, but how can you openly call God a liar when He in His own power sealed His Word in Revelation?

18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

It's pretty clear to me. Please open another thread to discuss this issue further if you want to. I would love to see the scriptures of both books, both the Bible and the Book of Mormon, that validate the Book of Mormon being additional revelation sanctioned by God for further reproof, correction, etc. It's not something that needs to be discussed on this thread. I remember a scripture that I am far to tired to look up where it states if the gospel isn't received of the people to shake the dust of your sandels and leave. And another about not casting priceless pearls into the swine to trample them. I have asked kindly before and will do so again, Please leave the LDS addition out of this discussion. It isn't welcome here because this thread wasn't started with the purpose of searching it out. With that, follow the scriptures I just made referance too and take your gospel to others who will listen please. I might even be apart of that discussion which may be profittable if sound and you will have another brother in me.


Kow,

How can you say after this whole two stick theory that koyi didnt pay attention to your post or try to answer it? It looks to me that he did and that you are the one not answering to this.

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I have done both of these things in separate posts. I have put on the table a Biblical truth, that the Book of Mormon is the Word of God. It is a Biblical truth because it is prophecied of in the Bible. Faded has shown that Prophecy in Ezekiel. You respond with Revelations. Then I merely showed that the Book of Mormon prophecies of the same things which the Bible does. Of course this required some parallels to be drawn. But then, using Only the Bible we can see how the Book of Mormon satisfies the Prophecy and the Law. I guess you could say I am seeking the fulfillment of the Prophecy made in Ezekiel. Is this contrary to the purpose of this thread?


This is what you wrote in response. Now without being rude I ask you, did you read any of what koyi wrote? I think he responded well and has asked politely to please keep this a bible study thread. Its his thread so please respect his wishes. You are more then welcome to study the bible with us and scriptures as long as its from the bible. You are welcome to believe in the book of mormon. No one is trying to stear you of that, just please dont base your opinions here on that book. You say that you have stated clearly and biblically that the book of mormon is the second part of gods word, however koyi has written biblical scripture as well stating thats its not in his view. Its not fair of you to say that he hasnt responded to you. And maybe, I cant speak for some of the others, but maybe they just arent interested in hearing what the book of mormon has to say. You never know, so you shouldnt assume that people have nothing to say to you. This is a bible study thread. Use it to study the bible and the bible only. I hope this clarifies things some. :)
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RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11

This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Jul 18 2004 08:55pm.

Jul 18 2004 08:23pm

Smilykrazy
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 Smilykrazy

ROFL JJ!! :D
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RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11

Jul 18 2004 07:44pm

 
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And Koyi, I used a Direct quote from your post to formulate mine, and you answered mine using a Different quote from Your post! Without being rude I ask, do you wish to try again? You seem to feel the responsibility to keep this thread in check, what better way then to follow the guidelines You set forth?

Everyone else, no one has made an effort to address what was put on the table, care to address it?

Thanks,

Mike.


No. I'M Mike. :D

Jul 18 2004 06:57pm

SaberWeildinKow
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 SaberWeildinKow

And Koyi, I used a Direct quote from your post to formulate mine, and you answered mine using a Different quote from Your post! Without being rude I ask, do you wish to try again? You seem to feel the responsibility to keep this thread in check, what better way then to follow the guidelines You set forth?

Everyone else, no one has made an effort to address what was put on the table, care to address it?

Thanks,

Mike.

Jul 18 2004 06:46pm

SaberWeildinKow
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 SaberWeildinKow

Wow guys, I'm kind of surprised here.

I wonder if anyone can respond to what was posted, instead of just brushing it off because it contains scripture from the Book of Mormon. Did you notice that there was a Biblical reason for posting them?

And I feel the need to post this, because I know we all have a tendency to do this...did anyone read the post in its entirity?

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If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing.


I have done both of these things in separate posts. I have put on the table a Biblical truth, that the Book of Mormon is the Word of God. It is a Biblical truth because it is prophecied of in the Bible. Faded has shown that Prophecy in Ezekiel. You respond with Revelations. Then I merely showed that the Book of Mormon prophecies of the same things which the Bible does. Of course this required some parallels to be drawn. But then, using Only the Bible we can see how the Book of Mormon satisfies the Prophecy and the Law. I guess you could say I am seeking the fulfillment of the Prophecy made in Ezekiel. Is this contrary to the purpose of this thread?

Twice I have been brushed off, earlier I asked for your view on prayer. Does anyone remember reading it? Or did only one person have to read the post so the rest could follow the leader? Did Anyone read the post in its entirity?

Also, someone went on the tangent of taking scripture out of context, could someone please inform me exactly of where that occured? The only scriptures I used were cited.

Jul 18 2004 06:41pm

Koyi Donita
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 Koyi Donita

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Yes he did, and I disproved 11 of the 141 he posted. I just scanned through the rest and couldn't be bothered to sort out the incompetance displayed in the other 130 :)


You know what would be really cool James? If once we discuss the Bible to a point of where we all feel good about the scriptures and need an extra project, we could start a new thread where we post those lists and pull apart each and every contradiction through further study. :D Sounds exhausting, but you did a great job and would love to help you if I could. :) Don't know if I would be that well versed in the Bible to do that though. :)
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. :D


Jul 18 2004 06:37pm

Koyi Donita
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 Koyi Donita

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Maybe at some point in my life He will Bless me with His Holy Spirit and I will begin to walk in His commandments, but not by my works.


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This is God's salvation plan in action. He sends His Word into the Word, people hear it and those of which He had chosen from before the foundation of the world He gives them the gift of the Holy Spirit and saves them.


Koyi,

I am not sure of something and need to clarify. Do you feel his Holy Spirit is within you? Or are you saying that he will give you his Holy Spirit once he has chosen to Save you?

-DM-


I would hate to answer this now because I would really like to post all of the scriptures in my study first, but want to answer it at the same time in the limited amount of time that I have. God's has aready chosen me either unto salvation or unto eternal damnation. At some point in all true Christian's lives, God has a time set for that person to where they will receive His Holy Spirit. Look at Paul in acts for an example. Here was a man who destroyed believers in Christ and sought them out, a very wicked man against God. Then Jesus came to him and saved him. His views and beliefs changed in an instant and he followed Christ.

This isn't to say that God could chose to save a child from birth. Not saying that all babies are saved as they aren't, but God gives us great examples in Jeremiah and in John the Baptist.

As for myself, I still sin. Cursing dayly, bitter at my foes, angry against wages received, etc. as most men do. This is clear evidence that I am not saved as of yet. I may have been chosen by God. Who knows? But I have not as of yet received the gift of His Holy Spirit. I hope this is the answer that you seek my friend and I will be posting good scriptures very soon to give some light to what I am saying here. Please be patient with me and God Bless. :)
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So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
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Jul 18 2004 06:09pm

JamesF1
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Bandit made a whole post full of contradictions in the Bibile. It was really long too...


Yes he did, and I disproved 11 of the 141 he posted. I just scanned through the rest and couldn't be bothered to sort out the incompetance displayed in the other 130 :)
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Jul 18 2004 05:41pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
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 DaRtH-MoBiLiTy

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Maybe at some point in my life He will Bless me with His Holy Spirit and I will begin to walk in His commandments, but not by my works.


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This is God's salvation plan in action. He sends His Word into the Word, people hear it and those of which He had chosen from before the foundation of the world He gives them the gift of the Holy Spirit and saves them.


Koyi,

I am not sure of something and need to clarify. Do you feel his Holy Spirit is within you? Or are you saying that he will give you his Holy Spirit once he has chosen to Save you?

_3th,
Yeah, the Assemblies of God really has been the only semi-organized church that I have liked. They just teach the Word and that is it. No Religous stuff. I really like it. I think it is a great place to raise my Kids so that they will recieve JUST the Word and nothing more.

As far as contradictions, yes there are people out there who make it thier lifes ambitions to proving the Bible contradicts itself. If you !google Bible contradictions, you'll find plenty. I have done this. People post tidbits of scripture to bend and make it seem like it is contradicting, but in all cases, in my study, once you read further and fully understand what the Bible was talking about in that Chapter, or the significance of the time in which it was written, and what laws applied, you'll find that it does not. Now that takes a great deal of study, but it is worth it. These people that do that crap had an agenda and of course would not post the rest of the scripture or include and more important rationales. IMHO

Jade,
Yes my brother, I agree with you man. Thanks for humbling us down again. I know I have to work on my patience. We are all here for one reason. BIBLE STUDY, not imposing views. Thank you man.

-DM-
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This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 18 2004 05:49pm.

Jul 18 2004 04:55pm

VirusD
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 VirusD

jade u rock :D

just had to say that :P
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Jul 18 2004 11:39am

Jade
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 Jade

Hi Guys,
I dont have much time at the moment, but I am compelled to add a comment.

Please, PLEASE can we all be patient with each other. I think the post started as a mutual study. Remember, there is no ONE person who has the definitive view. Can we please try to continue in this way as I sense some frustration creeping in.

We are all brothers and sisters here and as mentioned in all my other posts, I love you all. Please lets keep it together and study the truth together. We should not lead this thread into....this religion vs that religion or your view vs my view.

We are all doing really good things here, but we are all on different parts of the path to salvation and to God....each of our paths are different so we will slightly disagree....this is okay.

I have to go now, but will edit this and add some more.

I love you guys/girls so keep it together

Love

Jade


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Jul 18 2004 11:09am

Flash
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 Flash

Bandit made a whole post full of contradictions in the Bibile. It was really long too....

Jul 18 2004 10:40am

3th
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 3th

does the bible ever contradict itself? i've heard that it does. but i have no examples.

related to this discussion is the idea of context that Kow brings up. context to me implies meaning. and meaning implies some level of translation or interpretation. and TRUTH is buried under all of that. so how can you take literally word for word what comes from the bible and say it is truth? (how many times has it be translated/rewritten to get to your king james version?)

i do believe that there is TRUTH in the bible, namely the teachings of jesus. but IMO like any good teacher, his words are not truth in and of themselves. rather his words contain the truth. seek and ye shall find. or something like that. can y'all dig that vibe?

i noticed you said you were AG Moby, my grandparents were AG missionaries. hardcore like. my dad was almost an african by birth :)
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Jul 18 2004 09:57am

Koyi Donita
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We must make sure we read EVERYTHING from the Bible in context, otherwise it can be 'made' to support anyone's views.


Very true and I couldn't agree with you more. :D This is a Bible study. Let us please stick with the Bible. If you really want to post scriptures that will lead us to others outside of the Bible that is fine as long as said outside materials aren't posted here. We can discuss these verses in there context and search for their true meanings. Not saying that we will find them, but at least we can try without saying, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH and that is why I'm right. How about an I could be wrong or what do you guys think once in awhile? Could show a little bit of humbleness and keep things to a simmer rather then letting them boil over. I openly admit that I don't believe for a second that I hold the truth or know it all, but the scriptures that I quote or say that I have read and will soon post need to be examined. Justification by faith is a great lesson and almost got me believing in what most believe when I started studying it, but when I come to other scriptures which say more on the matter, I pull back and say, "See, there I am again". This is supposed to be a discussion, a Bible discussion with more scripture then our personal words and our higher thoughts. Let the Lord speak to us that we may hear His Word. I hope I've been doing a decent job at keeping my scriptures in context, but sometimes I just try to highlight what is in view when I don't have much time. I invite all (and all should be doing this without asking) to read the full chapter of whatever is posted to gain the full context behind what is being quoted out of the Bible. That way, we can bring up points missed or further discuss the issue with added light. :D
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. :D


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