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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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This is exactly my point Moby: where am I going to put my Faith in ? The current answer is I don't know. Christianism doesn't fit my view on the universe we live in. Neither does any religion I've had the opportunity to discuss. I'm probably more like a wanderer, gathering teachings and knowledge from various sources, as there is one thing I take very seriously: I do not believe a 'single' source can hold the truth, nor do I believe a million human sources do. But picking things from the greatest number is less risky in my eyes than putting all my faith in a single thing. I would be to afraid of what it could mean if I would ever be disappointed by it. Does it make sense ? _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife!  - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Odan-Wei, That is a very good question. My answer is this: The Bible says it is the word of God. The scripts from this word are some of the oldest scripts in history. Because the Bible says that it IS the Word of God, I have chosen to put my faith in it. ALot of people say the original greek was the real Word of God and over the years people have mistranslated it. My feeling is ths, if the Bible is supposed to be the Word of God, and God knows that this is the only thing that us Christians have to go by, then in my opinion, there is NO WAY he would let man, whom he created, screw that up for the rest of us. That would not be just or fair and above all else I know he is Just and Fair. Also, they do have Greek Innerlinear Bibles that have the original Greek on one page and the three differnet translations on the corresponding pages. People that study this say that the only real differences are the fact that words and numbers had alot more meaning than they do to day, but the translations were still written to account for those differences. Bottom line, it takes Faith to believe anything that can not be proven. The question is, where are you going to direct your Faith? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student
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Alright, as a little disclaimer, I am not a religious person although I have intimate convictions that there must be 'something' bigger than us 'somewhere'. I've had a very interesting conversation with Koyi about a week ago I think. There is one question I wish to ask to the people in here. It is about the Bible itself. I do not deny the fact that It holds precious teachings as most western culture is strongly based on those. But as someone mentioned in this thread before, the Bible has been modified several times over the course of centuries. So, my question is: Why do christians (in general) believe that the Bible, written by human hands, does hold the Word of God ? Religions do interest me as means to find my own path, but not as sets of 'rules' to follow. My parents decided not to baptized me as they wanted me to have the choice of my faith. I chose none, probably because I felt that none of them corresponded me truly. But maybe I'm wrong and a religion is something you have to adapt to your life, not the opposite? I'd be glad to hear your thoughts about my question and the following comment I made.  Odan-Wei _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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I love your humblesness Jade. It is very refreshing to have on this thread as we seek gods truth. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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skankerkid - Student 
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being jewish, i found this post very interesting and i learned a few things, most about how christians can veiw what they are here to do in the world. Infact there is a person who goes to my high-school who has the exact oppostie and who says the exact opposite if what you preach. and if anyone is interested, please visit my talmud study thread if you would like to learn more about the customs and laws according to the old testimate (or the tanach as it is refered to hebrew). _______________ Shout out to DJ Sith cause he's my big bro. Shout out to Debbie because she's my sister in-law. Also it aint cool if aint skewed. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Jade, All I can say is, "Wow". I so appreciate your post. After reading it four times, I realize that your absolutely right. The things we are bringing to light and the scriptures we have been studying have been such a blessing. Just getting into the Word together is fantastic. In my heart I know that he comes to those that are desperatley seeking him. We will all surely make it if we dont stop seeking him. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Jade - Student 
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Shame...shame..VirusD....though I saw some humour in your comments. However, this is a post about the Bible, God and something very personal....peoples journeys to try to find the path to God and happiness. There have been a few personal accounts of struggles and experiences are being shared here. Therefore, for me I dont mind the slight humour, but please remember to be tactful in your comments as to not upset people. Thats that over with. FaDed: WOW! Much much respect for your comment. Very clear - Thank you...I have much to learn! DM: Great posts earlier - sorry for not commenting on them as I have been busy working through the night on a project. Anyway, thanks for sharing your journey and I guess like me, a lot has been learned I guess the hard way. What I am starting to realize here is that the path to salvation is a journey. We may all be on different points of that journey and through our experiences, we may also have slightly different paths hence, why we may have slightly different views. However, all will not be easy and we will have challenges either early or later on the path. What is definite is that our faith will always be challenged in some way (for me daily through temptations and I guess to some point self thoathing). The scriptures show us the answers to our questions, but it is also through prayer that show us the truths in the scriptures...it is God who shows us the light...it is God who opens our eyes to the meanings of the scriptures. Here is something from my personal experience: I was baptised when I was 26 and was against my parents religeon - buddism (they did not object though). I did not come to this decision very easily. What I knew was that God was always there, through all troubled and all happy times. I knew I was a Christian because I knew I was talking to Jesus most nights. What I did not know was what church I belonged to. It was soooo confusing...Catholic, Methodist, Church of the Latter Day Saints etc....I tried them all...even Gospel. I was still none the wiser though. Anyway, in my desperation and confused stupor, I prayed and prayed. I remember this night very clear. I prayed for a long time starting from confused babble to something more calmer and eventually silence. In the silence I had no words, only feelings. I knew God was there with me because I felt the deepest warmth in my chest (something I feel when my faith at its strongest...I miss it at the moment though). In the absolute silence came this message...strong, bold and clear...I felt its meaning rather than recognised the sound. "It is not the house that matters but your heart". My point here is that I dont believe that I nor each of us could agree 100% to each others views here. This is definitely not a bad thing because our enlightenment or the gift of sight is given to us by God. Things are revealed to us gradually by God as and when it is appropriate to us. Just by having this thread is possibly one of these gifts, because I am here commenting and also understanding most of what is been written. I believe through all of your comments you have opened my eyes again and more and more things are becomming clearer....Thank you. DM, Koyi and everyone else. Please dont feel upset or frustrated if our views are not totally in line with each others. We are all on different parts of the path to salvation and so will be at different points of enlightenment of the scriptures and Gods word. The main thing to remember is that we are all looking in the same direction......to God. God Bless You All! Thank you all again for teaching me through your comments. Jade _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" This comment was edited by Jade on Jul 16 2004 01:21am. |
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VirusD - Student 
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never done that i just say i aint interested... thou they always dont leave still and sry for disrepect lol sry to moby specially lol _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: Lol ill tell you a secret your right , i am having fun and your right i have no respect against the bible or anything related do it I dident disprespect others hmm i hope atleast heh. Well if u got offended in anyway then ups Its just i mean ur damn posts make me think wierd of you and i always picture u as the guy who comes to my freaking door claiming he has comed to spread the word of god ...damn annoyers lol.Ok ok i dident mean disrepect against any1. That right there shows disrespect virus. You are disrespecting something people are believing in. And then you tell them they remind you of the people who come to your door. In case you didn't notice these guys want to have a discussion amongst themselves. They aren't going to your house saying they want to talk about it there. Consider this thread a group gathering that you don't want to be associated with and they're fine with it. So don't drive by yelling stuff and throwing water balloons at them. Because sooner or later they'll call the cops and file a complaint. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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VirusD - Student
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heh ok and dude i dident mean to flame but its just my nature to be agressive against things like this _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. This comment was edited by VirusD on Jul 15 2004 11:46pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Your welcome to post here VirusD if you can keep from flaming. But as for me, I wont be responding to your flames anymore. I also would appreciate it if you could refrain from using the Lord's name in vain on this thread. Just common courtesy no? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 15 2004 11:44pm. |
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VirusD - Student
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wow your fast lol nah kept posting here becouse i do have oppinion( god damn read the bible thou some time ago) but usually its lost becouse of editing yes i admit my posts turn to flaming AND i do try to fix that thou thats always dont work lol ed i love this line "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. This comment was edited by VirusD on Jul 15 2004 11:38pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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VirusD, If you have no respect for the Bible or anything in it and your merely posting flame in here because your bored, I would kindly ask you to please stop. If you want to post some crazyness, we have a place for that. This thread is not the place. Thank You. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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VirusD - Student
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lol omfg.I dident come here and say you GOT To , or yay satanism , i just ment that satanism aint about killing/destorying what some people keep saying to me ( no aint a satanist lmao) I aint cute  that hurted Lol ill tell you a secret your right , i am having fun and your right i have no respect against the bible or anything related do it I dident disprespect others hmm i hope atleast heh. Well if u got offended in anyway then ups Its just i mean ur damn posts make me think wierd of you and i always picture u as the guy who comes to my freaking door claiming he has comed to spread the word of god ...damn annoyers lol.Ok ok i dident mean disrepect against any1. _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. This comment was edited by VirusD on Jul 15 2004 11:31pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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VirusD, We all know your having a great time coming into our Bible study thread and telling us we should study satanism and rolling in with your one liners that you think are cute and clever. I think it is very disrespectful of you. And as far as narrow minded? I have studied in depth numerous religions and faiths. I have come to my conclusion based on these studys. It took me a long time to get here and if you want to call me narrow minded, then fine...but at least I tested the waters. This thread is about the Bible and our study of it. If you want us to check out satanism and post things like this, then start your own thread. And for the record, I was calling Satan an idiotic coward, not anyone else. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 15 2004 11:09pm. |
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VirusD - Student
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lol and damn ur narrow minded , i mean damn i respect ur belif in god but if you say everything else is idiotic etc then god damn you ( how u spell the minded thing ) _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. This comment was edited by VirusD on Jul 15 2004 10:59pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Thanks VirusD, I actually have studied Satanism along with numerous other new age belief systems. Nothing Shocking, it is all pretty ridiculous to me, but then again when you try to pit something that was concieved in the mind of a idiotic, coward against the pure, unadulterated Truth of Almighty God...how could expect any less? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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VirusD - Student
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me2 oh well i recomend you read about satanism 2 ( or how the hell u spell that in english ) you would get shocked not in bad way btw _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Quote: I feel like we are going in circles. LOL yeah it seems so. I dont want you think that I am not listening to your posts. All I am saying is that something in my soul is troubling me about everything here. Thats all. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Very Nice Colin, On the Salvation Aspect, I agree with you 100%. I am very glad the LDS believes in salvation as it is written. Well done! /me slaps Colin with a Bible with CTF engraved on the front. COME BACK AND PLAY WITH US!!!!!!!!! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 15 2004 09:02pm. |
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FaDed - Student 
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allow me to bring the LDS side to the table. it is true, we are saved by grace, for salvation comes through the atonement of christ and his resurrection. Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. 9 Not works, lest any man should boast. now let's break this passage down. it says by grace we are saved through faith. in the pre-existence we had faith enough in christ that he would do as he said he would, that is, he would come down and atone for our sins and overcome death through the resurrection. because of our faith, we followed him. salvation comes through the grace of God, salvation meaning we will all be resurrected. without christ doing what he did, there would be no resurrection. all would be lost. and so "it is the gift of God" that we are saved. every man and woman that has ever come to this earth, lived, and then died will be reunited with their body. and then the judgement comes... it is also true that we are not saved by our works. for if that were true, we would not need the atonement or christ because we would be getting ourselves into heaven. but works do play a vital role in the plan of happiness. Revelations 20:12-13 KJV 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. after we are resurrected, we will stand before God and we will be judged. we will be judged by our works. now how do we know what works are? works are such things as faith in christ, baptism, repentance, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. works are also the covenants we make with our Heavenly Father and the ordiances that we fulfill. by these things will we be judged and by these things it is decided what glory we will recieve. though, this is not all. as i said earlier, works will not get us into heaven, it is by grace that we are saved. this time salvation has another meaning, exaltation. once we are judged according to our works and if those works are all that we could do, meaning we held nothing back, but instead we gave our whole selves and lives to God, it is then that grace kicks in. because no man is perfect and it is impossible for us to become perfect on our own, christ's atonement makes up for what we lack. and so again, we are saved by the grace of God. in short, there are two phases of salvation. first, the gift of God being resurrection of all mankind. this is the freebie. second, salvation meaning meaning exaltation, where after we are judged according to our works, the grace of God makes up the difference for what we lack. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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I feel like we are going in circles. Quote: I have seen so many scriptures saying that by your own works you can not be saved, but by gods forgiving grace only may you have salvation. That is what I have been saying all along. Are we not debating the fact that we are saved by grace vs. God coming down from heaven and revealing himself to you before you are saved? To become, "Chosen"? The basis for this study keeps shifting and I am not sure what you guys are looking for anymore, lol. I guess I am missing something. I have posted every scripture I could find stating the fact that we are saved by grace not by works, lest any man should boast. We still have to keep his commandments because he commands us to. Is there another aspect I am just not getting? Do I need to refocus my study on a particular area that you guys are having trouble with? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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DM, Thanks for the post. I understand what you are saying. I really wish that just by accepting christ I could be saved. To do what he commands, to ask for forgiveness, etc. I admire your knowledge of the bible also DM. But something deep inside still troubles me greatly. I have seen so many scriptures saying that by your own works you can not be saved, but by gods forgiving grace only may you have salvation. Its so strange because as I read the bible I see your point of view and I see koyis as well. But something deep in my soul troubles me still. About the book you left DM, i appreciate the info on it, however books are written by the thoughts of men. The bible is written by god. I really want to just study that. Thanks though! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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I do have sinful thoughts sometimes. But like I said, i recognize it immediately (most of the time) and ask for forgivness. You see, there is also the human nature side of things. Alot of people confuse this with sin. Example: I am sitting out in my front yard and a beautiful woman walks by me on the side walk. Human Nature says: Wow, that is a beautiful woman! Sin says: Wow, that is a beautiful woman, then lets lust take over that thought. Also, let me clarify by saying, there are times when your thoughts come out of your mind or mouth before you have time to think. This is without a doubt my biggest problem and I have gotten in more trouble in my life over this one thing than you can imagine. But when I take a snapshot of where I was 6 years ago and I look at myself today, I can see the Baby Steps and the different exercises I have adopted such as, "Respond not React", that have made me better and have allowed me to control myself more. See what I am saying? I knew by what I posted prior that it would seem, "Moby is on a high horse". But the beauty of it is, I AM NOT. It is God who has helped me over come my struggles. Because I gave them over to him and told him I can't do it alone. I remind him of his promise that, "Ask anything in my name and it will be done". I remind him AND the accuser that I am a child of God and have the right to every promise he gave us. I RECIEVE those promises and give him the glory. Please don't get me wrong, I am not perfect and will never be. BABY STEPS = Continuous Improvement Hope that made sense....sorry I don't have the gift of saying what I mean sometimes. hehe Here is a good book on sinful thoughts -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 15 2004 02:08am. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Good question virus!! I think we need to study that! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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