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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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I would like to thank everyone for their input on fear. However I still think that we should FEAR, the bad fear, god! I grew up in a Methodist church. MY whole life I have been taught to love God, love jesus with all your heart and soul. Beg for forgiveness. Do your best to do gods will and follow his commandments. Take communion to be forgiven for your sins, etc etc etc etc! However I really feel that through a radio station that does a ministy here, my eyes have been opened to more truth then I have ever known. I have to ask this, im sure you all dont think this but do you honestly think that you can sin? Constantly rebel against god? Do as you wish and be forgiven just because you can say you are sorry for it? Just because in the long run you feel bad for your sins? God does love. He has enormous love!! I think its truly amazing that he saves any of us! NO ONE on this earth deserves to be saved. The proof of this is in: Romans 3: 9-12 9)What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved bothi Jews and Gentiles that they are all under sins. 10) As it is written, There is none righteous, No Not ONE. 11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after god. 12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable, there is none that doeth good, no not one. Also in Psalm 14:1-3 1)The fool hath said in his heart. There is no god. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none thgat doeth good. 2)The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand and seek God. 3)They are all gone aside, they are all together filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. So just from these two scriptures alone. It tells us that no one on this earth does good. No one deserves to be saved because we are all filthy. We are all sinners and all in rebellion to god. So here is my question. How can you not fear almighty god? We are all sinners! Its not as easy and being sincerely sorry and loving god. There is nothing we can do! We are all going to go to hell unless we are one of gods elect. Then and then only will we be saved and go to heaven. This is why I fear god. Because to me, at this moment in my life, I do not feel that I am saved. Ive been doing alot of thinking and I have come to that conclusion. So when the world ends, if I am not one of gods elect, I am going to hell. And there I will suffer Gods punishment and pay for all my sins. That is why I am petrified of God! Imagine being punished by the almight god and how awful that will be! And to suffer like that forever!!! I am scared to death. All I can so is pray for god to forgive me and to have mercy on me. That wont give me salvation though. Thats all for now. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Jade - Student 
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It is great to read that there are so many Christians here. I am happy, but also sad at the concentration over the Fear of God. It is right to fear God as his wrath is so great. However, if you Love God, then there is no need to fear. God is love and remember, we are all sinners. If we repent no matter how many times....he forgives us because there is no greater love than his...he gave up his only son for us! Smily: Much, much respect for you for what you said in your original comments about your fear....you are a far better person than I. Yes be afraid to sin, but if you do then repent...but do so not in words, but in your heart and only when your heart is ready....I will explain here:- I have no scriptures for this, but only my own experiences. I sin, always have and most likely always will. I repent after sinning saying I am sorry God for sinning please, please forgive me. This was taught to me...this was fear, this was guilt. However, I recently found myself feeling increasingly sad and lost....deeply sad as though from my core. This carried on until one evening I found myself uncrontrollably sobbing like a baby. I could not stop and could not understand why. In my mind I prayed and begged for forgiveness, but for what?...I could not say what for...how could I repent for something I did not know I had done wrong? This, I eventually and shamefully owned up to God saying I am sorry but I am so blind and my mind so clouded that I dont even know I have sinned...This was the biggest sin of all...I had repeatedly repented in the past by words but not truly in my heart. That evening was my heart finally opening up to God for all the sins in the past...there were no words, no promises and no excuses...only pure sadness. From that day on, I have never felt that way and truly feel God has forgiven me for those sins. My message is this: I am a sinner. I will always be a sinner. If I was free from sinning then I would be perfect...I would be God. This is my belief. Perfection is not possible, but it is the attempt to be perfect that warms Gods heart. The fact that we quietly suffer in Gods name, the fact that we beat ourselves up inside for making a mistake or sinning. This is what makes God love us. If you have a son or daughter and they are truly sorry for doing wrong, can you turn your back on them? No! Neither can God. He is our Father and we his children. His compassion is far far greater than ours so he will always be there, he will always forgive and he will always love - unconditionally. These are my words, not taught, but learned the hard way....through experience. Yes, fear God. Know his wrath, but no matter what, remember to Love. Take care everyone and God Bless you all. _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" This comment was edited by Jade on Jul 05 2004 03:54am. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: Alright, I'll post something anyway. I usually don't join the religious discussions (even though I am religious), so this is the first time I actually post something. Quote:
Quote: Fear, as I've said before, has two separate meanings. We are not meant to fear God in the sense of being scared of him. We are meant to fear God in the sense of respecting him (respect is the alternate meaning of 'fear'). James can you give me some examples of how fear relates to respect in real world terms? Im having a hard time understanding it. The "fear" for God as described in the Bible can be seen as "being in awe of God, respecting him, a healthy fear of displeasing him". This kind of fear comes forth out (is that an english expression?) of respect and appreciation for all the good things he has done and the love he has shown, knowing that He is the almighty, and has the RIGHT and POWER to destroy the ones who disobey him. There are basically two kinds of fears: The one I just described above, a healthy fear which does not "destroy your psyche or mood". ...and an UNHEALTHY fear. This is fear as most people know it. Being scared of something, sometimes to the point that you just "freak out" or let it consume you. This is NOT the fear that is ment in the expression "fear God". I hope that helps a bit Thanks for that Aron - that's what I meant. _______________ Website |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Okay, I'll quickly post one of the Psalms here as an example. Later, I'm going to purchase a concordance so that I can look up the original Hebrew and Greek words God chose to use for fear and we'll see how they are used throughout the Bible. I could be wrong and we all must let God tell us what He means. In Psalm 38 we read: 1) O LORD, rebuke me not in thy wrath: neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure. 2) For thine arrows stick fast in me, and thy hand presseth me sore. 3) There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin. 4) For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as a heavy burden they are too heavy for me. 5) My wounds stink and are corrupt because of my foolishness. 6) I am troubled; I am bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long. 7) For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease: and there is no soundness in my flesh. 8) I am feeble and sore broken: I have roared by reason of the disquietness of my heart. 9) Lord, all my desire is before thee; and my groaning is not hid from thee. 10) My heart panteth, my strength faileth me: as for the light of mine eyes, it also is gone from me. 11) My lovers and my friends stand aloof from my sore; and my kinsmaen stand afar off. 12) They also that seek after my life lay snares for me; and they that seek my hurt speak mischievous things, and imagine deceits all the day long. 13) But I, as a deaf man, heard not; and I was as a dumb man that openeth not his mouth. 14) Thus I was as a man that heareth not, and in whose mouth are no reproofs. 15) For in thee, O LORD, do I hope: thou wilt hear, O Lord my God. 16) For I said, Hear me, lest otherwise they should rejoice over me: when my foot slippeth, they magnify themselves against me. 17) For I am ready to halt, and my sorrow is continuallly before me. 18) For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin. 19) But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong: and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied. 20) They also that render evil for good are mine adversaries; because I follow the thing that good is. 21) Forsake me not, O LORD: O my God, be not far from me. 22) Make haste to help me, O lord of my salvation. I will comment on this further at a later date. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Aron - Retired 
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Some (hopefully) stuff on predestination: The original Greek word that was translated with predestination (or whatever it is called in English) is pro·gno´sis (pro = before, gnosis = knowledge). A Greek verb related to this word is pro·gi·no´sko, which is used two times in the bible (highlighted parts): The first time by Paul in Acts 26:4,5: Quote: So then, all Jews know my manner of life from my youth up, which from the beginning was spent among my own nation and at Jerusalem; 5 since they have known about me for a long time...... ..and the second time by Peter in 2Peter 3:17: Quote: You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, Note that these translations have been taken from http://bible.crosswalk.com, since I don't have an English bible at my place. It's logical that with the "knowing this beforehand" was not ment "in every detail". They did, however, know the "rough lines" of what was to be expected. The Greek word that is translated with "To predestine" is pro·o·ri´zo (Pro = before, orizo = to Mark out, to define, to limit). I will wrap this up soon, I'm tired Anyway, you could see this "to limit" as "setting boundaries". God has the ABILITY and POWER to fulfill EVERYTHING he has promised, so in that way, he can prophetize and set certain "boundaries" that won't be crossed, because he would prevent it. Wether God has the ability to see EVERYTHING beforehand is a good question, but almost impossible to solve. If you accept this theory, you will automatically find yourself facing some new problems. Imagine: If God would know EVERYHING beforehand, why did he say "let us create man" to his son Jesus, if he already KNEW it would not end up well? Anyway, I'm gonna take a rest now. I hope you find this a bit useful. |
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Aron - Retired 
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Alright, I'll post something anyway. I usually don't join the religious discussions (even though I am religious), so this is the first time I actually post something. Quote:
Quote: Fear, as I've said before, has two separate meanings. We are not meant to fear God in the sense of being scared of him. We are meant to fear God in the sense of respecting him (respect is the alternate meaning of 'fear'). James can you give me some examples of how fear relates to respect in real world terms? Im having a hard time understanding it. The "fear" for God as described in the Bible can be seen as "being in awe of God, respecting him, a healthy fear of displeasing him". This kind of fear comes forth out (is that an english expression?) of respect and appreciation for all the good things he has done and the love he has shown, knowing that He is the almighty, and has the RIGHT and POWER to destroy the ones who disobey him. There are basically two kinds of fears: The one I just described above, a healthy fear which does not "destroy your psyche or mood". ...and an UNHEALTHY fear. This is fear as most people know it. Being scared of something, sometimes to the point that you just "freak out" or let it consume you. This is NOT the fear that is ment in the expression "fear God". I hope that helps a bit |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Quote: Nothing like that at all If I make the choice to, let us say, go play tennis today. God knew beforehand that I would make that decision today. If I chose to make a different decision (i.e. to NOT go and play tennis), he would already have known that I would make it.He KNOWS what you're going to make, but doesn't CHANGE it. If you change your mind on something today, he knew you were going to change your mind. If he knows the outcome it isnt a choice! You had orginally thought you were going to play tennis, the your plans changed, God wasn't getting that live for channel 7 news, he new from the moment he created the earth ( and technically before that ) you would NOT go play tennis that day. So no you didnt have a choice. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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And its a hard one to explain too Smily. I can't remember where exactly (I'll try and find it later), but the Bible says about fear of God as a respect of God. I just can't think off the top of my head where it is. _______________ Website This comment was edited by JamesF1 on Jul 04 2004 08:20am. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Quote: Fear, as I've said before, has two separate meanings. We are not meant to fear God in the sense of being scared of him. We are meant to fear God in the sense of respecting him (respect is the alternate meaning of 'fear'). James can you give me some examples of how fear relates to respect in real world terms? Im having a hard time understanding it. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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wow! That was an awesome way of putting it! So then I guess its a good thing that I fear god. I look forward to the scriptures on fear. I would look them up but you have your bible right now and mine doesnt have the concordance thingy. James I have seen scriptures in the bible that tell you to fear god. Hopefully either me or Koyi can post some for you to look into if your interested. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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ioshee - Student 
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Based on 2nd Peter 3:8-10 the world could have been made in 6 days, 2,191,500 days or 0.0000164 days. Since it states it goes both ways. I've always thought it's a weird thing to have a problem with. If you can believe that an all powerful being can create a universe, why does he have to be limited to our current understanding of science? _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Personally, I would have to disagree with James F1. I think we should be terrified of God. I mean come on, this is The Almighty God we're talking about here. Perfect, Righteous, Holy, Merciful, and as straight edged as anything can be. With the Bible and the commandments and statues of God present with us, we can very easily determine that we are all sinners and are held accountible to sin. Yes, Jesus did come to save sinners and yes, Jesus did go to the cross and paid for the sins of the world, but only those which the father gave them. The names that they chose from before the foundation of the world, the elect of God. God makes it very clear to me in the Bible where He says over and over and over and over again, If you don't follow my commandments you don't love me. If you don't keep my commandments I am not in you or you are not in me. With those basic teachings that we can't just simply ignore or sweep under the carpet, I see clearly that I'm on a run away train heading straight for hell and Jesus is my only chance of getting off. If God would have mercy on me, I wouldn't be living a life of sin because that's what His Word says. {again, my opinion with no scriptures present. I'll work on a study and post it here when I have something to back this up} The people of Israel are a classic example. They continually turned away from God to follow the lusts of their flesh and He destroyed them! He laid to ruin the holy city. He destroyed them in the wilderness. He destroyed them at the mountain when they were disobediant. He will have no problem destroying sinners because God hates sinners. There are a number of Psalms that were written by some of the most God fearing kings and they knew salvation was theirs, but whenever they sinned it tore them apart. Read the psalms. They were inwardly destroyed that they rebelled against God even though they were chosen by Him and were loved greatly by Him. This is the fear of the Lord. I should have remembered to look into those scriptures and now will. Fear does come with respect, don't get me wrong but as someone is guilty of a crime has to face the punishment, that someone doesn't respect his upcoming death, he fears it. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Jul 04 2004 04:47pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Fear, as I've said before, has two separate meanings. We are not meant to fear God in the sense of being scared of him. We are meant to fear God in the sense of respecting him (respect is the alternate meaning of 'fear'). _______________ Website |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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yeah my eyes were going nuts after a while.  Hmmm ok koyi. You know I dont understand the king james version of the bible. So all of that stuff on fear REALLY confuses me. Can you sum it up in english for me? Im sorry I just cant understand the language for some reason. I read it three times and I still have no idea what I read. /cry  _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Koyi: Your lack of line breaks makes that a little hard to read, but still - great post _______________ Website |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Quote: (Jedi)Obi-JK The '6-days' 'thing' is used by God as an illustration. God lives outside of time, so - as such - he is not limited by it. It makes it easier for us to understand. I tend to think of it more as 'six phases split into days for ease-of-reference'. And your life is not predetermined. God KNOWS what's going to happen, that doesn't mean he is controlling your mind making your decisions for you. He KNOWS what decisions you will make even before you make them, it still is your choice to make them. God KNOWS what is going to happen, but its still my choice? How does that work? That would be like watching your favorite movie and all of sudden the ending changes Nothing like that at all If I make the choice to, let us say, go play tennis today. God knew beforehand that I would make that decision today. If I chose to make a different decision (i.e. to NOT go and play tennis), he would already have known that I would make it.He KNOWS what you're going to make, but doesn't CHANGE it. If you change your mind on something today, he knew you were going to change your mind. _______________ Website |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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It continues. The Awesome Power Of God's Word. In Deut. 8:1-3 we read: 1) All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers. 2) And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 3) And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Deut. 8:6 reads: 6) Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him. These are a few verses that demonstrate that man lives by God's Words. He commands up to do His will and fear him. Now I'm getting a little off the subject by searching out fear, but it was mentioned earlier and it does tie into what I'm sharing so let us hear what God has to say about fear. A really good example of God fearing people can be read in Genesis chapter 20 where Abraham dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, sojourning in Gerar. There, he told his wife Sarah to tell the inhabitants to tell the people that she was his sister because he felt that the fear of God was not in that land and they would be quick to kill him to lay hold of his wife. {Gen.20:11} His life was spared in this way, but his wife was taken the king of Gerar, Abimelech. Let us look at a few verses here to see this mans fear of God. In Gen.20:3-7 we read: 3) But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife. 4) But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, LORD, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation? 5) Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this. 6) And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her. 7) Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine. These passages show that this king in a foreign land was a God fearing man and didn't want to do anything to upset God, but notice how God suffers the man not to sin. In verse six He says {for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.} Sarah was in his presents and very well could have had his way with her not having the knowledge that she was married, but God stopped him. This is interesting too. Psalm 34:9-18 we read: 9) O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him. 10) The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want[lack] any good thing. 11) Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD. 12) What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? 13) Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. 14) Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. 15) The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. 16) The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. 17) The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. 18) The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Psalms 111:10 reads: 10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. A paralellel scripture can be found in Proverbs 1:7, 20-28 were we read: 7) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. 20) Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: 21) She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying, 22) How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? 23) Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you. 24) Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; 25) But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: 26) I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; 27) When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. 28) Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: In Hebrews 11:7 we read: 7)By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. In Hebrews 12:28-29 we read: 28) Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29) For our God is a consuming fire. I could keep exploring the scriptures, but let me get back onto the subject at hand. Back to Deut. 8:6 where it said {Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.} Do any of us do this? Do we fear God Almighty or keep His commandments? Probably not for most if not all. I fear God, not truely, but intellectually. My soul waiteth for the Lord {Psalm 62:1 and 130:6} and if/when He chooses I will become indwelt with His Holy Spirit becoming a new creature in Christ and then I may be able through Him to do these things. This may show us our lot and our problem and it can be brought to better understanding through the reading of Romans 3:9-20 for God clearly declares that no man fears or seeks after God or follows His commandments. Some may want to argue that the God of the Old Testament was different or things changed when Jesus came to us, but God will tell us differently in Heb. 13:8. Also the first chapter of John gives us knowledge that Jesus Christ is The Word of God and He created the world. Through all of this hopefully we know that God's Word is the power that was creation, the power that is Jesus, and is also the power of salvation and life. Romans 10:17 reads: 17)So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. This is the purpose of this forum. For us all to come forward to discuss God's Word so that all of us can be in the environment where we might become saved. Not of our own will can we work salvation nor can we know God's truths by merely reading. God has to give spiritual ears to those He plans on saving so they can hear the Gospel. Rom. 11:8 reads: 8)According as it is written, GOD HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT OF SLUMBER, EYES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT SEE, AND EARS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HEAR; UNTO THIS DAY. The pharisees dwelt in the Word and knew it well but never were given God's Spirit. They never saw the true meaning behind the scriptures as I will honestly say that I may not as well. All I would like to do is circulate the Bible and it's scriptures and our ideas so we all can search for truth. May God bless us all in the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Quote: (Jedi)Obi-JK The '6-days' 'thing' is used by God as an illustration. God lives outside of time, so - as such - he is not limited by it. It makes it easier for us to understand. I tend to think of it more as 'six phases split into days for ease-of-reference'. And your life is not predetermined. God KNOWS what's going to happen, that doesn't mean he is controlling your mind making your decisions for you. He KNOWS what decisions you will make even before you make them, it still is your choice to make them. God KNOWS what is going to happen, but its still my choice? How does that work? That would be like watching your favorite movie and all of sudden the ending changes _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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<opinion> Alot of Christians say, A day with God is 1000 years in our time based on (II Peter 3:8-10, NIV) But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. A number of points need to be made. First, it is perfectly true that the first section of this chapter refers back to Creation and the Cataclysm of Noah's day. It those verses God condemns certain unbelievers, "scoffers walking after their own lusts" who deny Creation and the Cataclysm. But simply read the passage above. Verses 8-10 refer, not back to the creation period, but to the unbelievers and God's desire to redeem them. The focus of the chapter is on unbelief, redemption and judgment, not the object of the unbeliever's scorn! Second, those who misinterpret verse 8 invariably quote the center section of the verse, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years" without including the end of the verse. This is because the spin they put on this phrase would immediately contradict itself and cancel out the first half if they applied the same hermeneutic to the latter part of the verse: "and a thousand years are like a day"! What sort of absurd hermeneutic interprets one phrase in one manner, and then immediately ignores or interprets the next phrase of the same sentence in a completely different manner?? If a day of the creation week was really a thousand years, what thousand years of time was compressed into one twenty-four hour day? And where do we obtain biblical warrant for such an odd event? This leads us to the third point. The sentence does not say (in either English or the original) "with the Lord a day is a thousand years" it says "is like a thousand years". The passage is a simile, that is, "a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as" (Merriam Websters Collegiate Dictionary). If the day in question really was a thousand years or some other long time period, it would in effect say "with the Lord a thousand years is like a thousand years," or "with the Lord a long time period is like a thousand years," either of which is basically meaningless. The sentence can only have meaning if in fact the word "day" does not mean a long time period in this sentence. So what does it really mean? Hopefully most of you can just read the passage above and see for yourself with perfect clarity what it is in fact saying. Remember, the focus is on the unbeliever and the justice of God. The phrase "with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day" is referring to God's patience in giving unbelievers ample opportunity to repent and turn to him. But when the time for action and judgment is come, he will not delay and will act swiftly. "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish". Where we would impatiently wait a day before giving up and passing judgment on the lost, God will wait a thousand years with the desire of reconciliation. "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness." This patience, beyond what a mortal would grant, is due to His love and mercy, not because He will not judge sin or desires to allow it to continue, or because of laziness or indifference. "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief." But when the time for judgment comes, He will move swiftly and without warning, where a mortal would act indecisively and take forever to accomplish the mighty tasks of the judgment. What would take nature (?) a thousand years to accomplish God will complete in a day. "The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare." Don't get caught by surprise. </opinion> -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 02 2004 07:14pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Jacen Most I remember, others I feel the need to look-up. Bail Jesus is 'part' of God - he is the character of God. He is described as the Son of God as he is a spirit who has imparted knowledge and revelation from God. It is a difficult concept to understand. God is usually described as part of the 'trinity' (with Jesus and the Holy Spirit being the other two), which means they are one, yet not one. Trinity isn't a Biblical term, but is the best way to describe God as humans with our limited understanding. Jesus is part of God (as said above), and as Jesus/God/Holy Spirit are SPIRITs, they can 'live' or 'be housed in' a body. Therefore, Jesus' spirit was present in a body when he was on Earth - making him 100% God, and 100% man. As he is part of God, he can forgive sins. Marcel Mandarijn There are two types of fear that the Bible conveys in relation to God. The first being 'scared' of God - this is not what God wants, he doesn't want people to be put off by him. The second is 'respect' - fear can have the same meaning as respect. I think what Smily was referring to was the latter - a deep respect for God. Smily As you know from our conversations on God and the subject, you know my views (which are, much the same as Darths) Darth Moby That is right on the nose dude. And is exactly what I believe (and what the Bible says)(Jedi)Obi-JK The '6-days' 'thing' is used by God as an illustration. God lives outside of time, so - as such - he is not limited by it. It makes it easier for us to understand. I tend to think of it more as 'six phases split into days for ease-of-reference'. And your life is not predetermined. God KNOWS what's going to happen, that doesn't mean he is controlling your mind making your decisions for you. He KNOWS what decisions you will make even before you make them, it still is your choice to make them. _______________ Website |
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VirusD - Student 
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hmm strange that all discusions about bible etc to end in flaming at the end _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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1.) About God creating the galaxy in 6 days. You dont interpret that metaphorically? If he/she/it is so powerful why did it take him/her/it six days? Being God has been around forever, ( which means before the begining of time, somehow ) what do "days" mean to him/her/it, again "humans" wrote the bible, either God put it terms we can understand or the person writing it, put it down on paper as best they could understand 2.) With so many people here who beleive in God, how about another Fun discussion with God as the center of attention. We have agreed ( at least I think ) that God is described with a whole lot of words that start with omni- The important one here will be. Omnicient - All Knowing ( at least I hope thats the right one ) All know, wow thats quite impressive, so if you think about time, God knows everything that has ever happened and everything that IS going to happen. Well that sucks, enjoy your predetermined life. Or enjoying trying to prove that hole "I beleive in God and that I still have free will" arguemet. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Koyi and Smily, We have had these discussions before on whether or not you are saved. Since those conversations I have done alot of research into that question. I have pages, which I sent you guys. I will highlight the most important issues here. Let me start my quoting scripture: But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Romans 5.8-10) I believe the following... 1. God is perfect, and He demands perfection. 2. I am a sinner. Romans 3:23 (KJV) says, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." I can try all I want to please God on my own by trying to be good, but I can never match up to perfection. I can never meet all the requirements of the law. The law condemns me to spend eternity in hell apart from God. But is the law bad? No, but rather, ". . . the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith" Galatians 3:24 (KJV). What else does the Bible say? 3. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one." Romans 3:10, 11, 12 4. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. Romans 3:21-24 5. It is ONLY because of the righteousness of Jesus Christ that I am able to confidently say I am going to heaven. When I accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, the righteousness of Jesus was applied to my "account." My slate was wiped clean. Jesus' righteousness was imputed to me. I am now righteous in the eyes of God. I am being sanctified day by day and becoming more like He wants me to be. But positionally, I am justified. The debt has been paid in full. 6. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8, 9 (KJV) See Smily? It is not that you CAN NOT sin. We all are sinners. The key is repentence and truly work towards getting rid of all the sin in your life. No man will achieve perfection. He does not ask us to be perfect. He just wants to see our continuous improvement and for us to give him the glory. These are my opinions of what the word says. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 02 2004 04:07pm. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I think religion is a dangerous thing. It can be a great source of comfort and hope, and often is a motivator for charity, but history has shown us many times that things can go horribly wrong if not every individual thinks for himself. Religion often has been and is an excuse for certain happenings, inspired by few leaders and their interpretation. Most world religions are based on a book, guarding the principles of the religion. To create unity, religious leaders use these books, like the Bible or the Koran. By creeds as the previous named Nicene Creed, religious leaders can secure their interpretation and often their power by claiming that their interpretation is the right one. Too often have leaders taken advantage of religion and the effect it has on their poor subjects. Too prevent this, every single person should think for himself, find his own religion within the existing one, interpretating eg the Bible in his own way. But this development causes the feared schisms in the religions, breaking the power of those who lead them. I think it's dangerous to try to find universal truths in these religious books, since every individual has a different interpretation, and the books, the ancient roots of the religions the believers believe in are not the same as the books we have today. The mentioned religious leaders, and of course time, have changed these books. One can say he believes in the Bible, but I always wonder what Bible that would be, since they were so often altered or influenced through the ages. Finally I wish to say that I'm always sad to hear how certain very nice people are in constant fear of God. In my eyes, should an entity exist that created everything, or unifies all creatures, or is the absolute truth, I would imagine it would consist of light, happiness, the good in general. Believing in God is for me believing in the good, and doing that what's good and in my eyes, if you do that you can't 'sin'. I can't imagine that the one thing that is altogether good, maybe like the Socratian idea of the ultimate good, would be capable of horribly punishing and scaring those he created. Of course this is in no way an attack on anyone's belief or way of life, since I respect every way of life that accepts the universal human rights and my own interpretation of good and justice, this i merely my view on binding yourself to old sources, the danger of creeds, and living in fear of a God. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Marcel Mandarijn - Student 
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Smily, try not to fear God so much, he loves you and wants you to love him but how can you love him when u'r so frightened of God? This comment was edited by Marcel Mandarijn on Jul 02 2004 11:49am. |
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