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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: (Jedi)Obi-JK The '6-days' 'thing' is used by God as an illustration. God lives outside of time, so - as such - he is not limited by it. It makes it easier for us to understand. I tend to think of it more as 'six phases split into days for ease-of-reference'. And your life is not predetermined. God KNOWS what's going to happen, that doesn't mean he is controlling your mind making your decisions for you. He KNOWS what decisions you will make even before you make them, it still is your choice to make them. God KNOWS what is going to happen, but its still my choice? How does that work? That would be like watching your favorite movie and all of sudden the ending changes Nothing like that at all If I make the choice to, let us say, go play tennis today. God knew beforehand that I would make that decision today. If I chose to make a different decision (i.e. to NOT go and play tennis), he would already have known that I would make it.He KNOWS what you're going to make, but doesn't CHANGE it. If you change your mind on something today, he knew you were going to change your mind. _______________ Website |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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It continues. The Awesome Power Of God's Word. In Deut. 8:1-3 we read: 1) All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers. 2) And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 3) And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Deut. 8:6 reads: 6) Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him. These are a few verses that demonstrate that man lives by God's Words. He commands up to do His will and fear him. Now I'm getting a little off the subject by searching out fear, but it was mentioned earlier and it does tie into what I'm sharing so let us hear what God has to say about fear. A really good example of God fearing people can be read in Genesis chapter 20 where Abraham dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, sojourning in Gerar. There, he told his wife Sarah to tell the inhabitants to tell the people that she was his sister because he felt that the fear of God was not in that land and they would be quick to kill him to lay hold of his wife. {Gen.20:11} His life was spared in this way, but his wife was taken the king of Gerar, Abimelech. Let us look at a few verses here to see this mans fear of God. In Gen.20:3-7 we read: 3) But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife. 4) But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, LORD, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation? 5) Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this. 6) And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her. 7) Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine. These passages show that this king in a foreign land was a God fearing man and didn't want to do anything to upset God, but notice how God suffers the man not to sin. In verse six He says {for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.} Sarah was in his presents and very well could have had his way with her not having the knowledge that she was married, but God stopped him. This is interesting too. Psalm 34:9-18 we read: 9) O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him. 10) The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want[lack] any good thing. 11) Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD. 12) What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? 13) Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. 14) Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. 15) The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. 16) The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. 17) The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. 18) The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Psalms 111:10 reads: 10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. A paralellel scripture can be found in Proverbs 1:7, 20-28 were we read: 7) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. 20) Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: 21) She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying, 22) How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? 23) Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you. 24) Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; 25) But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: 26) I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; 27) When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. 28) Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: In Hebrews 11:7 we read: 7)By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. In Hebrews 12:28-29 we read: 28) Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29) For our God is a consuming fire. I could keep exploring the scriptures, but let me get back onto the subject at hand. Back to Deut. 8:6 where it said {Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.} Do any of us do this? Do we fear God Almighty or keep His commandments? Probably not for most if not all. I fear God, not truely, but intellectually. My soul waiteth for the Lord {Psalm 62:1 and 130:6} and if/when He chooses I will become indwelt with His Holy Spirit becoming a new creature in Christ and then I may be able through Him to do these things. This may show us our lot and our problem and it can be brought to better understanding through the reading of Romans 3:9-20 for God clearly declares that no man fears or seeks after God or follows His commandments. Some may want to argue that the God of the Old Testament was different or things changed when Jesus came to us, but God will tell us differently in Heb. 13:8. Also the first chapter of John gives us knowledge that Jesus Christ is The Word of God and He created the world. Through all of this hopefully we know that God's Word is the power that was creation, the power that is Jesus, and is also the power of salvation and life. Romans 10:17 reads: 17)So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. This is the purpose of this forum. For us all to come forward to discuss God's Word so that all of us can be in the environment where we might become saved. Not of our own will can we work salvation nor can we know God's truths by merely reading. God has to give spiritual ears to those He plans on saving so they can hear the Gospel. Rom. 11:8 reads: 8)According as it is written, GOD HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT OF SLUMBER, EYES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT SEE, AND EARS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HEAR; UNTO THIS DAY. The pharisees dwelt in the Word and knew it well but never were given God's Spirit. They never saw the true meaning behind the scriptures as I will honestly say that I may not as well. All I would like to do is circulate the Bible and it's scriptures and our ideas so we all can search for truth. May God bless us all in the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Quote: (Jedi)Obi-JK The '6-days' 'thing' is used by God as an illustration. God lives outside of time, so - as such - he is not limited by it. It makes it easier for us to understand. I tend to think of it more as 'six phases split into days for ease-of-reference'. And your life is not predetermined. God KNOWS what's going to happen, that doesn't mean he is controlling your mind making your decisions for you. He KNOWS what decisions you will make even before you make them, it still is your choice to make them. God KNOWS what is going to happen, but its still my choice? How does that work? That would be like watching your favorite movie and all of sudden the ending changes _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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<opinion> Alot of Christians say, A day with God is 1000 years in our time based on (II Peter 3:8-10, NIV) But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. A number of points need to be made. First, it is perfectly true that the first section of this chapter refers back to Creation and the Cataclysm of Noah's day. It those verses God condemns certain unbelievers, "scoffers walking after their own lusts" who deny Creation and the Cataclysm. But simply read the passage above. Verses 8-10 refer, not back to the creation period, but to the unbelievers and God's desire to redeem them. The focus of the chapter is on unbelief, redemption and judgment, not the object of the unbeliever's scorn! Second, those who misinterpret verse 8 invariably quote the center section of the verse, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years" without including the end of the verse. This is because the spin they put on this phrase would immediately contradict itself and cancel out the first half if they applied the same hermeneutic to the latter part of the verse: "and a thousand years are like a day"! What sort of absurd hermeneutic interprets one phrase in one manner, and then immediately ignores or interprets the next phrase of the same sentence in a completely different manner?? If a day of the creation week was really a thousand years, what thousand years of time was compressed into one twenty-four hour day? And where do we obtain biblical warrant for such an odd event? This leads us to the third point. The sentence does not say (in either English or the original) "with the Lord a day is a thousand years" it says "is like a thousand years". The passage is a simile, that is, "a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as" (Merriam Websters Collegiate Dictionary). If the day in question really was a thousand years or some other long time period, it would in effect say "with the Lord a thousand years is like a thousand years," or "with the Lord a long time period is like a thousand years," either of which is basically meaningless. The sentence can only have meaning if in fact the word "day" does not mean a long time period in this sentence. So what does it really mean? Hopefully most of you can just read the passage above and see for yourself with perfect clarity what it is in fact saying. Remember, the focus is on the unbeliever and the justice of God. The phrase "with the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day" is referring to God's patience in giving unbelievers ample opportunity to repent and turn to him. But when the time for action and judgment is come, he will not delay and will act swiftly. "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish". Where we would impatiently wait a day before giving up and passing judgment on the lost, God will wait a thousand years with the desire of reconciliation. "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness." This patience, beyond what a mortal would grant, is due to His love and mercy, not because He will not judge sin or desires to allow it to continue, or because of laziness or indifference. "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief." But when the time for judgment comes, He will move swiftly and without warning, where a mortal would act indecisively and take forever to accomplish the mighty tasks of the judgment. What would take nature (?) a thousand years to accomplish God will complete in a day. "The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare." Don't get caught by surprise. </opinion> -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 02 2004 07:14pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Jacen Most I remember, others I feel the need to look-up. Bail Jesus is 'part' of God - he is the character of God. He is described as the Son of God as he is a spirit who has imparted knowledge and revelation from God. It is a difficult concept to understand. God is usually described as part of the 'trinity' (with Jesus and the Holy Spirit being the other two), which means they are one, yet not one. Trinity isn't a Biblical term, but is the best way to describe God as humans with our limited understanding. Jesus is part of God (as said above), and as Jesus/God/Holy Spirit are SPIRITs, they can 'live' or 'be housed in' a body. Therefore, Jesus' spirit was present in a body when he was on Earth - making him 100% God, and 100% man. As he is part of God, he can forgive sins. Marcel Mandarijn There are two types of fear that the Bible conveys in relation to God. The first being 'scared' of God - this is not what God wants, he doesn't want people to be put off by him. The second is 'respect' - fear can have the same meaning as respect. I think what Smily was referring to was the latter - a deep respect for God. Smily As you know from our conversations on God and the subject, you know my views (which are, much the same as Darths) Darth Moby That is right on the nose dude. And is exactly what I believe (and what the Bible says)(Jedi)Obi-JK The '6-days' 'thing' is used by God as an illustration. God lives outside of time, so - as such - he is not limited by it. It makes it easier for us to understand. I tend to think of it more as 'six phases split into days for ease-of-reference'. And your life is not predetermined. God KNOWS what's going to happen, that doesn't mean he is controlling your mind making your decisions for you. He KNOWS what decisions you will make even before you make them, it still is your choice to make them. _______________ Website |
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hmm strange that all discusions about bible etc to end in flaming at the end _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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1.) About God creating the galaxy in 6 days. You dont interpret that metaphorically? If he/she/it is so powerful why did it take him/her/it six days? Being God has been around forever, ( which means before the begining of time, somehow ) what do "days" mean to him/her/it, again "humans" wrote the bible, either God put it terms we can understand or the person writing it, put it down on paper as best they could understand 2.) With so many people here who beleive in God, how about another Fun discussion with God as the center of attention. We have agreed ( at least I think ) that God is described with a whole lot of words that start with omni- The important one here will be. Omnicient - All Knowing ( at least I hope thats the right one ) All know, wow thats quite impressive, so if you think about time, God knows everything that has ever happened and everything that IS going to happen. Well that sucks, enjoy your predetermined life. Or enjoying trying to prove that hole "I beleive in God and that I still have free will" arguemet. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Koyi and Smily, We have had these discussions before on whether or not you are saved. Since those conversations I have done alot of research into that question. I have pages, which I sent you guys. I will highlight the most important issues here. Let me start my quoting scripture: But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Romans 5.8-10) I believe the following... 1. God is perfect, and He demands perfection. 2. I am a sinner. Romans 3:23 (KJV) says, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." I can try all I want to please God on my own by trying to be good, but I can never match up to perfection. I can never meet all the requirements of the law. The law condemns me to spend eternity in hell apart from God. But is the law bad? No, but rather, ". . . the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith" Galatians 3:24 (KJV). What else does the Bible say? 3. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one." Romans 3:10, 11, 12 4. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. Romans 3:21-24 5. It is ONLY because of the righteousness of Jesus Christ that I am able to confidently say I am going to heaven. When I accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, the righteousness of Jesus was applied to my "account." My slate was wiped clean. Jesus' righteousness was imputed to me. I am now righteous in the eyes of God. I am being sanctified day by day and becoming more like He wants me to be. But positionally, I am justified. The debt has been paid in full. 6. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8, 9 (KJV) See Smily? It is not that you CAN NOT sin. We all are sinners. The key is repentence and truly work towards getting rid of all the sin in your life. No man will achieve perfection. He does not ask us to be perfect. He just wants to see our continuous improvement and for us to give him the glory. These are my opinions of what the word says. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 02 2004 04:07pm. |
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I think religion is a dangerous thing. It can be a great source of comfort and hope, and often is a motivator for charity, but history has shown us many times that things can go horribly wrong if not every individual thinks for himself. Religion often has been and is an excuse for certain happenings, inspired by few leaders and their interpretation. Most world religions are based on a book, guarding the principles of the religion. To create unity, religious leaders use these books, like the Bible or the Koran. By creeds as the previous named Nicene Creed, religious leaders can secure their interpretation and often their power by claiming that their interpretation is the right one. Too often have leaders taken advantage of religion and the effect it has on their poor subjects. Too prevent this, every single person should think for himself, find his own religion within the existing one, interpretating eg the Bible in his own way. But this development causes the feared schisms in the religions, breaking the power of those who lead them. I think it's dangerous to try to find universal truths in these religious books, since every individual has a different interpretation, and the books, the ancient roots of the religions the believers believe in are not the same as the books we have today. The mentioned religious leaders, and of course time, have changed these books. One can say he believes in the Bible, but I always wonder what Bible that would be, since they were so often altered or influenced through the ages. Finally I wish to say that I'm always sad to hear how certain very nice people are in constant fear of God. In my eyes, should an entity exist that created everything, or unifies all creatures, or is the absolute truth, I would imagine it would consist of light, happiness, the good in general. Believing in God is for me believing in the good, and doing that what's good and in my eyes, if you do that you can't 'sin'. I can't imagine that the one thing that is altogether good, maybe like the Socratian idea of the ultimate good, would be capable of horribly punishing and scaring those he created. Of course this is in no way an attack on anyone's belief or way of life, since I respect every way of life that accepts the universal human rights and my own interpretation of good and justice, this i merely my view on binding yourself to old sources, the danger of creeds, and living in fear of a God. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Marcel Mandarijn - Student 
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Smily, try not to fear God so much, he loves you and wants you to love him but how can you love him when u'r so frightened of God? This comment was edited by Marcel Mandarijn on Jul 02 2004 11:49am. |
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The fact that god created this whole galaxy in 6 days just totally baffles me! He spoke and it was made. That just shows how amazingly almighty god truly is. What scares me ALOT is just how bad god can punish you. How totally unbareable it must be. The suffering, the agony, the pain! If god can create all of this, everything we know, everything we are, in 6 days!!!! Then I cant even honestly imagine how awful his punishment must be!! I really wish I knew if I was saved or not. Some days I really want to believe that I am but others I feel that I am not. These are the reasons why I think I am: 1) I think of god everyday 2) I feel the urge to speak with him and pray to him. 3) I feel extremely guilty when I know I am committing a sin. 4) I have EXTREME fear of him. 5) I really want to follow his laws. 6) I really feel inside of me that he is there with me. Its hard to put into words exactly how that feels. Reasons I do not think I am saved: 1) I constantly sin. Even if I know that I am doing it. I just can not seem to stop myself. 2) I always seem to just do what makes me happy in life. Play games, curse sometimes, etc. Even though I feel guilty in the long run for it I still do it. 3) I know that saved people want to do gods will. They do not want to do anything to disobey god. IF they do something they shouldnt they feel extreme guilt for it. I feel guilt but is it just because I know I am doing wrong? Or is it because I am saved? I have so many questions, feelings, concerns, fears. They have been bottled up inside of me for so long. Im confused and very scared at the same time. I know that there is nothing I can do to become saved. I know that god has to do the work and save me. I just wish I knew at this time if I am saved or if I am not. I feel both ways and it really confuses me. Jeff if you could explain any of this to me please do. Ive wanted to talk to you about it but you know im not really good at explaining how I feel. I know you probably cant tell me if I am saved or not but what are your thoughts? Thanks love! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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For my post which I wish was earlier but I was too busy, I will post now. The Awesome Power Of God's Word. In Gen.1 God spoke and brought this amazing universe into being. The Earth alone is massive and it's complexity, it's mystery, it's beauty, and well balanced. The complexity of a leaf is truely baffling when studied closely with our science and it's just a leaf! Now think of the whole plant, to a field or some woods, to a whole forest, finally to the whole Plant Kingdom both known and unknown by us throughout the whole world. Think of small creatures, beautiful in their own way, complex with it's cells, tissues, organs, organ systems, behavior, instints, and it's knowledge and abilities to use offensive & defensive capabilities. Think of the whole Animal Kingdom from single celled organisms to all of the insects, fish, birds, and beasts both known and unknown. Think of the undiscovered space that is our oceans and how we know so little about them and what's in the deeps that we can't explore. Nature, weather, climates, and everything working with one another without totally destroying or creating unending chaos making up our great planet. The Earth is but a drop in the ocean that is space, the universe. How complex, beautiful, maintained, and balanced the universe is. One cannot truely begin to understand the greatness that creation is and The Creator, God, spoke and brought it all into being. His Words created it. more to come when I have more time......  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Badger Hat - Student 
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I beleive... Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, and by beleiving in him we can have life in his name. He was both God and man, 100% God and 100% man, which is a hard thing for us to understand, but he came to Earth to die for us, so we could have eternal life with Him. Not eternal life in hell. Wish I had more time, but for now that is all I have to say. Badger And about the verses, they come from The Bible, but sometimes they come from what we have memorized out of The Bible. _______________ RL bro to HawkJedi Chuck Norris pwns!(duh) Proud member of Yeah, it's a hat. This comment was edited by Badger Hat on Jul 02 2004 01:05am. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I was actually going to ask the same thing as Jacen. Also, another question: How do you view Jesus Christ? Do you believe him to be the son of God, the only son of God, or do you believe him to be a man who taught us to love each other, or one of the Angels who came down from Heaven? (These are just three statemements I have heard) And if so that you believe him to be 1) An Angel 2) A man then how did he forgive sins? It is said that the only God may forgive sins. Then how did he? He explains by saying something along the lines of: "I am the son of God, and I do as my Father does. Thus I have not only the ability, but the right as well". (I think it's in Matthew) However, I feel it was otherwise. I feel that by saying 'Your sins are forgiven', your sins are lifted away from you, but also transferred to Jesus Christ's body. So when he was crucified later on, the sins were forgiven by God, so that he really died for our sins. Somehow, this feels right to me. I know he died for us, for our sins. So this really feels right to me. I know this is highly discussable, but I think neither of us has the true answer to this question _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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This might be a bit off-topic, but I have a question concerning the things you write, and since it's basically about the bible, why not ask here.. When you do quotations, e.g., "And Jesus said etc etc" (Matt #:#), do you look it up in the bible itself, online, or do you just remember these things? Been wondering about it for a long time... |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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But for me, Christianity isn't about church. Yes church is a good place to go (providing the people and the teaching are in line with the Word), but its not what our lives should revolve around. Our lives should revolve around God and what he says in his Word. For me, that is the most important thing. I think an 'e-church service' would probably not end up giving God the respect and praise a church service should. Forgive me for shooting down the idea, but I have a feeling it wouldn't work very well _______________ Website |
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Woah-nice idea. A long time ago I thought it'd be neat to do a "Church Service" on sunday mornings or something. You know with a special map and teamspeak and all to sing and whatnot. When I first thought about it not only was I not sure if it'd work but I didn't have enough time to put something like that together. And now-I still don't have enough time. Just throwing this idea up for anyone who might want to consider it (or something like it.) _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Quote: EDIT: actually it's also wrong to say that u believe IN the catholic apostolic church, it's a common mistake, you believe IN god, but you believe the church Incorrect. Cathlolic means world-wide (all-inclusive). Apostolic means 'connected with the Apostles' teachings'. So what the Creed says is correct Yes, I believe in God, but I also believe in an (meaning, believe that the church should be) catholic and apostolic church _______________ Website |
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Marcel Mandarijn - Student 
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well wot I'm tryin to say is that we've already *met* b4, but it's been a while since i've been seriously active... But still, I look forward to our continued conversations too  |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Great to meet you Marcel Mandarijn. I look forward to our continued discussions. Oh and Koyi pwns....  -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Marcel Mandarijn - Student
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Steven Curtis Chapman - The Invitation That's right I hav nothing to add to DM's post, he's just right. EDIT: actually it's also wrong to say that u believe IN the catholic apostolic church, it's a common mistake, you believe IN god, but you believe the church EDIT2: btw, for those who might be wondering who I am: I'm just the terrible and annoying Maeglin :p, but don't worry, I've grown up.. a bit This comment was edited by Marcel Mandarijn on Jul 01 2004 07:51pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Just thought I'd post the Nicene Creed. Pretty much sums up what the Bible says about beliefs Quote: e believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. _______________ Website |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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I Believe in the Forgiveness of Sins In what ways do Christians claim to believe in the Forgiveness of Sins? Do we mean that it doesn't matter what we do because everything is forgiven? Not in the least. God calls his people to life of holiness, not of sin. Romans Ch 6:1-2 says "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" No, but God is, nevertheless, a forgiving God. God forgives the repentant sinner. There is a sense in which this is one of the central truths of Christianity. Without it Christianity would be a religion of despair, not of hope. For the Bible very clearly teaches us that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Rom. 3:23) It also says that "the wages of sin is death." (Rom. 6:23). Therefore, without forgiveness, there is no hope but death. Yet the glorious message of Christianity is that God is a forgiving God. The Bible makes it clear that the way to gain forgiveness from God is through repentance. Repentance is basically a changing of the mind. To repent is to accept God's viewpoint of an action. If we say that our actions are not sin but just mistakes or personal weaknesses or just the way we are made then we leave no room for repentance and, therefore, no room for forgiveness. To repent is to say, "I recognize this action (or lack of action) as a sin and I apologize to God for it and determine, with God's help to turn away from doing this again." Such a prayer God hears and is always gracious to forgive the sinful action. "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all iniquity." -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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I agree Marcel, however, the Prayer was intented for US, who DO live in time So that's where that thought was coming from _______________ Website |
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Marcel Mandarijn - Student
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Seeing God is not bound to time as we are, it doesn't matter where in the prayer you ask for forgiveness. Anyway, I think it's wrong to say that God doesn't LISTEN to you before you have asked for forgiveness, the real thing is that u can't enter the kingdom of God without having been forgiven for your sins. somewhat down in this thread I saw u guys talkin about God's love, that reminds me: Isaiah 54:10 - The mountains and hills may crumble, but my love for you will never end; I will keep forever my promise of peace. So says the lord who loves you |
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