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Dicemaster - Student  |
In lue of the recent events on servers
(over 10 people being kicked in the last week for misbehaving) i am wondering...Should knight password really be taken away? whats your people's opion's? let us know thanks _______________ Dicemaster |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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Could we get a council member to post here? give some reasons for taking it away or just say what your thinking? _______________ Dicemaster |
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Iceman - away- - Student |
I think that u should have forces so that you can solve fights and other problems |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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Allright, once more my personal opinion on this:
I always thought the knights were doing pretty well. We created a new system of handling the servers with those knight accounts. It was -efficient, because knights were higly motivated with their new status + they are online more often than JATs -quite safe, no "fun"-commands like slap or punish -extrem handy, with jkpsay, amsay wich helps ALOT in teaching and trials It SEEMED to me that everything worked fine, in fact there started something to build like an honour codex for knights. When one knight did something silly, others came and apologised for him (!). I thought we were about to be the nice guys you can always talk to and who have the last words in arguments or uncomfortable situations. I personally saw saw SOME knights that started to get a head about it, and that had to show their powers and acted just to get the respect. I havent saw any direct abuse of power or anything else, neither heared about it. So... WHY CHANGE A WINNING TEAM? And it WAS winning, or not? Correct me if I'm wrong please 
Lets just say the council is worried about some maybe-egos between the knights. Well, thats allright, but why change the complete system? Why not just take out the ones that disturb? Don't abolish a system when only small parts of it don't work. A second reason I've heared was that the abuse on the servers was decreasing. That's true. But again, why change the system when it runs well? The abuse didn't become less from miracle hands... To follow the councils' ideas: -more abuse -> activate knights -less abuse -> deactivate knights -more abuse -> activate knights ... Is that really smart?  Change the system every month, appoint new knights, trials, get them in their rank. No, come on, thats not a solution!
So what to do about knights, in my opinion? Simple: Give them the old powers (dont think they need more), get the the special knight-flair (when they feel special and are respected just for beeing knights, they dont need to do anything silly to get respect ) and select them carefully! Point out that most students will stay at Journeyman. The common goal is to become a knight... this may be nice, but I always thought that you have no "right" to become a knight like you have the "right" to become a j-man.
A good thing I would say is a test phase for knights. Look at a knights behaviour for about 2-4 weeks, look how he acts difficult situations, does he brag, does he stay calm, is he active etc etc. After that, discuss between knights, plus have a (anonym) vote on the knight. If the knights AND the students agree with the knight, he will get the admin powers and stay in his office. If not... he will become j-man again. What do ya say?
Oh and... IF you really stay with your decision to take the powers away, what is the use of the knights? I honestly don't understand it We can't teach cuz we cant keep the class calm+cant amsay with fellow teachers. We can't handle difficult situations cuz we cant discuss and can't sleep/silence. So... whats our use? To look good?
Thanks for reading this long story, feel free to correct me or add something if you feel like you want to. And to all JAKs, JATs and JACs (!): PLEASE DON'T IGNORE US! Thats the worst thing you could do. Would be really nice to hear espcially a JAcs opinion on this... I mean, they decided, so why not give us an idea why they decided like this
Have a nice day P.S. Don't like "specator kicks". A good ol' server kick is a must-have. An ultima ratio (the last step). If an idiot comes, there's sometimes just a need to kick. Don't worry, idiots are rare
Look: In all my time beeing a knight, I used jksleep maybe two or three times. I silenced once and kick NEVER. But people always knew I COULD do, so my word was enough
Get the knights a good knight-education and they won't have to use their powers at all. But the base, the foundation of their respect ARE theese powers. Even if they don't use them. Wee, I type too much  _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Kalheka - Student 
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I'm interested in hearing about new JAK powers as well, Chosen. What do you have in mind? _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Masterw/AMohawk[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=51&f_height=70&f_image=Masterwmohawk.jpg)
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Dice I totally agree, I'm sure the JAC's have heard of the incident the other day, whic lasted more than an hour. They had to use sleep just to get the guy to stop killing people talk to them, multiple times. And as Dice said, there is usually one or two JAK's around while seeing a JAT on the servers is really kind of by occasion...
I'm not saying give them the abiity to do special litte tricks or whatever, but I think crowd control is an important part of the knight's job. Let's face it, there's a problem on the server, you get on IRC, four knights show up, no JAT's in most cases, we need them to be able to help. _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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bubu, they just stopped posting the password for us.....i don't get it i confused _______________ Dicemaster |
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Dicemaster - Student
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chosen what powers?
if they help take care of server conduct i'd say go for it, but make sure oyu keep /jkpsay, and /amsay cuz both are very very useful thanks -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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ioshee - Student 
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Ok, totally acceptable (I should have never doubted my brother) carry on. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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i thought i was laughing WITH you..  _______________ make install -not war |
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ioshee - Student
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 Hey Bubu, don't laugh at your ignoramouse bro.
I don't have a valid opinion on the subject because I'm not a knight, but anything “new” done by Chosen One can only be a good thing. Trust the Chosen One. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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as i said on the other thread, what kind of commands? _______________ make install -not war |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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I was thinking of designing new commands just for the JAK's...What do you guys think? _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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rofl.. knights had their own admin login on the servers, and it was recently taken away... or was it? _______________ make install -not war |
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ioshee - Student
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What are "knight passwords?" _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Bubu - Hubbub
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funny thing.. last night, no more passwords.
this morning... back to normal... i have to quote DJ here: WTF? _______________ make install -not war |
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Dicemaster - Student
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that would be a very interesting idea
its kind of a different way to control them, kick to spectator/silenced. for like 1 min or something like that it would work i think -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Buzz - Student 
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That shouldn't be too hard should it? I've in some games where there was a clan guy running it and he turned into a prick not letting anyone but his clan buddies join beyond spectator somehow. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Dicemaster - Student
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i like acey's idea
this goes for all Trainers and knights instead of kicking out of server have a boot to spectator mood....good idea acey -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Acey Spadey - Student 
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i say still keep them but if further trouble keeps up. don't actually take away that power that the knights have..perhaps you could dull it down a bit...like for instance instead of them having a boot command(i dunno if they do or not), replace it with a command that kicks a certain player into spectator mode for a small amount of time. _______________ .Lag Bro to Xanatos. Adopted Twin to Bubu. Big-Brother to SmilyKrazy ---- JATSRAD Guru, JASE Member, JA SP Mod Staff ---- The Order of the Stick -- Big thanks to Mango for my avatar -- Quote: Sometimes you've got to specifically go out of your way to get into trouble. It's called fun.
Quote: (Random hella old quote) <Fizz of Belouve> .. in sovjet russia, cereals spit at YOU!
Quote: whats the point of growing up, if your not allowed to act childish!
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Datheus - Student 
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If it didn't actually get out of control, then why add then extra risk of admin abuse... we've had just as many problems with that as we have wiht unruly students |
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Buzz - Student
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well so far the journeymen have been chiming in. They're the ones closest to obtaining knight so you would expect them to want to keep knights having some admin powers. I agree with them though. Several times I've seen people's tempers start to escalate. There wasn't a trainer on either to attempt to calm them down and have them drop the subject. Nothing got out of hand those times but what if they had? The trainers can't be on all the time. Allowing the Knights to have some admin rights means that they can be better "keepers of the peace". _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg&f_odd=1)
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I say let the knights Have their power, there is almost always one on the servers unlike the Jats, and just yesterday a knight was able to control a situation that no one else was able to, I think it is necessary that we keep them in power so that they may keep the peace. _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Master Lew - Student 
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We need Power Rangers
A few Ranger Knights. _______________ Brick Assassin for Hire Here, have a brick!
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Power to the Knights! _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Kalheka - Student 
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I personally don't think so. There are players on the servers that are simply bent on messing with others. They don't do anything else but try to annoy others. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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