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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd  |
Well i was playing on the servers when i had what I personally think is an intersting idea. So listen up.  I have been around the academy for a while now, and while I still find it a ton of fun, sometimes i yearn for something more. Something to achieve by being here. A lot of people join here and set themselves the goal of being a JAK, even though we all know JAK is not a status symbol, but a responsibility and a job. However perhaps some members become dissatified in the knowledge that they will probably never be anything more than a JAS/JAP. They can't exactly just apply to be a JAK  . However it doesn't necessarily have to be that way.So heres my idea: What if we had a set of "certificates" to show that a student had achieved a level of skill or knowledge. For example we could have an award to show that a student had mastered the basics of red stance. Or that they had shown they understood CTF tactics. We wouldn't make it compulsary for students to attain these awards. However they would serve to show that by attending classes and practising they had achieved something. I think this sense of achievement may be just the thing to keep students interested. And to give anyone who wishes to try for them something to aim for, an objective from their time. The other important thing is that by someone achieving an award they don't have to uphold any special responsibilities like a ranked member would. Thay are simply recognised for their achievement. They don't have to be especially trustworthy, popular, or any of those special qualities of a knight. It would be a more open thing to all members. How would they be assessed? Well i have a few ideas as to how that could be done. But right now I'd rather get some feedback on what YOU the members think of this idea. So vote AND post, please.  --Just trying to improve the already great Jedi Academy  _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Squibit - Student 
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Quote: So the JAC print it out and use snail mail to post it to people ! no logistics problems with that I was acctualy being sarcastic , but now that i think about it maybe it wasn't too bad an idea _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Italian Ice - Student 
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eh... still that would encorage collectors, if ppl can see how may certs they have. would discorage them if you were the only one who could see it and know what it really ment _______________ It's funny how many people know they have the right to remain silent, yet never do. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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I didn't say about a perm post, I said a normal post. But a perm post works too. |
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Italian Ice - Student
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lol sete how dose that take back to permi's on profiles. im still thinkin about the certi bein mailed by the true post. _______________ It's funny how many people know they have the right to remain silent, yet never do. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I haven't thought the following idea through completely, so there will be errors What if we make kind of 101 classes For instance: Red Stance 101 - Swings You come to the class, you clearly show you know the basics to Red Stance, and the teacher clears you to come to 102, Combo's. Or something like that I've been thinking about this for our mapping class, kind of ... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Yes, and this brings us back to the idea of posting on the users profile. |
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Italian Ice - Student 
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how? im not thinking about any trials, im not thinking about any classes, im thinkin like all the JAC/T/K's notice one person who's standing out as a good member/duler but mabey dosent want the responsablity of being a knight. So they get a certi for Effort Duleing (now only the best people would get this) Dedication ect ect. not as complicated as (just first think that poped to mind) a Lvl 5 Red staff certif I'm thinkin much more general _______________ It's funny how many people know they have the right to remain silent, yet never do. This comment was edited by Italian Ice on Sep 17 2004 08:17pm. |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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In my opinion the academy is not a place for awards or student ranks. The academy an uber long time ago had ranks for students and they were gotten rid of because of so many reasons. Some of them were that there were trials like every second of the day giving the JAKs/JATs less time for classes and making them work their butts off with the points and crap. I think the awards are just like those ranks and are more of a hassle than anything. All it would be is another form of ranks. This comment was edited by Tallepyon on Sep 17 2004 08:05pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Quote: Ares - the fact that you're in it for fun is very respectable, and I admire that very much, as to me, it's mostly about fun, but also about providing a good service in the JA. However, some people seek glory and recognition in games like JK2/JK3... so, providing these kind of certificates tend to encourage competitiveness, which isn't what we really want to do here. Thanks -Mike  Agreed. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Quote: Ares - the fact that you're in it for fun is very respectable, and I admire that very much, as to me, it's mostly about fun, but also about providing a good service in the JA. However, some people seek glory and recognition in games like JK2/JK3... so, providing these kind of certificates tend to encourage competitiveness, which isn't what we really want to do here. Thanks -Mike I couldn't agree more. -End of line. _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Ares - the fact that you're in it for fun is very respectable, and I admire that very much, as to me, it's mostly about fun, but also about providing a good service in the JA. However, some people seek glory and recognition in games like JK2/JK3... so, providing these kind of certificates tend to encourage competitiveness, which isn't what we really want to do here. Thanks -Mike |
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Nitram - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Ares, we tried a similar system in the past, and people were more concerned with the ranks (or certificates in this case) than actually learning something. If you want to go get a rank, join a clan. Mike, I have a clan, with a lot of ranks, and I don't care about them. What I want is to have a nice game with friends, train and become better with friends, and to just have fun in the game. I think it's a nice idea, to keep motaviting people, but if it didn't work in the past well... Then it's maybe for the best. I don't care much what happends, it's what the members want. _______________ Please Lord forgive me, for I know now what I have done... |
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Italian Ice - Student
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i still think ppl are makeing this more complicated than it really needs to be. _______________ It's funny how many people know they have the right to remain silent, yet never do. |
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Ares, we tried a similar system in the past, and people were more concerned with the ranks (or certificates in this case) than actually learning something. If you want to go get a rank, join a clan. |
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Nitram - Ex-Student 
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I think the JAK+ will hate it, the JAS/JAP will love it. I've seen enough, very impulsive idea's who generally rule in theory but suck in practical use. However this idea is very nice imo. As probably 90% never will make JAK+ this still gives people something to motivate them to keep on going and to expand someone's horizen (other saber/force/guns etc.). It needs to be worked out in absolut detail, and of course the JAK's+ need to approve, but personally I think this is a gr8 way for the academy to get more active, fuller classes and for the students the will to keep on training. Ares _______________ Please Lord forgive me, for I know now what I have done... This comment was edited by Nitram on Sep 16 2004 03:06pm. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: I voted Yes. Nice idea!! I understand how people may feel they want a little recognition for how they have improved. Personally I just like to come in a have fun. Whilst i understand the logistics might cause a problem. I have a few Suggestions that may help this work. * Replace some classes with Cert Classes. Format - 4(or so) Students who enroll have a chance to pass a trial rated by the JAK(teacher). If they pass (They can add a Note to there profile E.g JA Red Stance Lvl 2, JA Guns Lvl 3, JA Yellow Countering Lvl1 *Simple objective can be set based on current class formats. * Time limits set on reapplying, if failed, and restrict the number of Certs classes a student can enrol in every month to prevent a few students monopolising Cert Classes. Just my ideas to add to Ozz nice post. MTFBWYA yeah, I see Roans point. Just as Mike, I remember the old days when the JAK+ had to trial/whatever u wanna call it/ people like 90% of their time. and that sucked. well, if some teachers would do this for their classes, why not ? They can limit the class to like 4 enrolled people and there you go. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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thedestroyer - Student 
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I got an idea:get someone to get a rank with no trial (new rank)that alows them to put up the sertificit on someones profile. |
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Squibit - Student 
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OK so we don't have global Jedi Academy certificates. All we need is one JAK (preferably JAT) who specialises in a certain area (Motrec usuing duals or aratan with guns springs to mind ) to offer a "class" once a week called "Dual saber trials" Get JAC approval of course, we know they already have the skills in the field as they are JAT. They make thier own system maybe 3 - 5 levels and trial those at the "class". People may then choose if they with to add to their sig or profile description "Passed level 3 of Motrec's Dual sabre trials" or what ever All this would need is four or five trainers to fine time to fit another hour session into their scheduals. I know that they do an awful lot for us already but im sure a few of you guys can find an extra hour to improve student moral _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Roan, we did have certification classes of sorts, back when there were multiple student ranks. However, JAK's and JAT's were so busy with trialing people for student ranks that we had no time to teach, or even train ourselves, or have any fun. We like to keep things simple at the JA, and not over-complicate things. Student certifications and whatnot are not necessary - but nobody said we can't commend students for their progress |
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Seth C. Belouve - Student 
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I'm with my brothers on this one...I vote yes, printable certificates is a great Idea. Its really memorabelia of your time here. Just something nice to have and whats to say people will join soley to get certificates...It won't do you any good. It can't elevate you to a new rank, its just something fun to get. And honestly anybody who cheats for a certificate is realy truely sad, if they want a desk full papers for things they didn't do and won't benefit them anyhow then I say let them have it.... whatever it takes to let them fall asleep at night and whats this "snail mail"  you mean there was something before e-mail... _______________ Look unto me for I possess the blue flag!! It is more beautiful then I ever imagined! You will now worship me as if I were a god! *smack, dies* I regret nothing, I lived as few men dared dream!! Red Guy from Red Vs. Blue Series |
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Roan Belouve - Retired 
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I voted Yes. Nice idea!! I understand how people may feel they want a little recognition for how they have improved. Personally I just like to come in a have fun. Whilst i understand the logistics might cause a problem. I have a few Suggestions that may help this work. * Replace some classes with Cert Classes. Format - 4(or so) Students who enroll have a chance to pass a trial rated by the JAK(teacher). If they pass (They can add a Note to there profile E.g JA Red Stance Lvl 2, JA Guns Lvl 3, JA Yellow Countering Lvl1 *Simple objective can be set based on current class formats. * Time limits set on reapplying, if failed, and restrict the number of Certs classes a student can enrol in every month to prevent a few students monopolising Cert Classes. Just my ideas to add to Ozz nice post. MTFBWYA _______________ *Bro to Vaxxla,Padawan of FiZZandOdan-Wei Part of the mighty Belouve Dynasty-Knight of Nippledom.Twin of Selphestal!**Proud Master to Kaelis and Acura Friend to anyone who would call me the same . Pic by the amazing Majno (merry)
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thedestroyer - Student 
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well i think that if you would get like 100 certificits you could take the trials for a new rank.and when you take a trial your certificit points go down (but still ses you have that number but every sertificit is 1 point).So every 100 points you can get a new rank or if you have points you don't want someone can answere a quezz of your chose and if they answere 100% they get the amount of points you are giving away.And the sirtificts would be posted on your profile. This comment was edited by thedestroyer on Sep 13 2004 01:05am. |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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I don't think they would have to monitor every student, just the ones who asked to try and get a certification. And I also don't see why people why bother to "cheat" to get their hands on a certificate? What is teh point of that? And some people are just going to do the whole collecting thing no matter what you do. I personally don't think thats a valid excuse. I mean why have JAK's if people are just going to treat it as a race to see who can get it fastest? That doesn't happen much does it? So why not have a little faith in your fellow gamer, eh? _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Italian Ice - Student
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THEN THEY SHALL FAIL!!! _______________ It's funny how many people know they have the right to remain silent, yet never do. |
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Lancer007 - Student 
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Well the idea is great giving out certificates showing them that they have acheived something.But if you start doing that then some of the players here would only try to participate to only get certificates and try to become more popular than the other. |
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