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Due to the amount of questions we receive at the JAC Q&A Sessions regarding Trials and Trial Procedures, I decided to write this FAQ.
I will add to it if more questions arise on the matter. 
------ What is involved in a Jedi Knight Trial? Jedi Knight Trials are very secret and only members of the JAK+ know exactly what is involved in one. The only information I will give out concerning what goes on, is that they consist of very precise and challenging tests of Skill, Morality, Mentality and Problem solving. Trials are skill specific, meaning that a Gunner won't be trialled, expecting to be highly skilled with a Lightsaber and/or Dueling. The Trials are engineered to be the ultimate test of an individual's specialty - IE. Gunning, Dueling, Full Force, etc. There are maps that have been built especially for the Trials and the maps themselves are built to test many of the prerequisites of being a Jedi Knight. Where are the Trial Maps and why are there no links to them on the site? See above. Jedi Knight Trials are very secret and mysterious. The only people who have these maps are the JAK+ and Students who are taking the Trials. The maps are sent to 'Trialees' via P2P (Peer To Peer) method (IRC, MSN, AIM, etc.) only minutes before their Trial starts, the maps are NOT uploaded to the website, nor can they be obtained via any hyperlink. Are Students allowed to watch other people being Trialled? No. Why all the secrecy? If everyone knew what was involved in the Trial procedures, the Trials would be made obsolete. People would train specifically just to pass the Trials, people would know about their secrets and answers and would render tests of morality, mentality and problem solving ineffective. Also, the Trials serve as a test of how people behave under extreme, stressful or nervous situations. There is a certain feel/atmosphere around Jedi Knight Trials and taking them which adds to the excitement of them. If everyone knew about them and what was involved in becoming a Jedi Knight - then all of this would be destroyed. The Academy would be made a little less exciting and we wouldn't be sure of the people we were promoting in respect to mentality, admin abuse, spirit and many of the other key things associated with being a Jedi Knight at the JA. How is anyone supposed to pass a Trial if they don't know anything about what is in them? I will not deny that the Jedi Knight Trials are very hard. But at the same time, if you are active in the JA and you attend Classes and/or Padawan sessions frequently, then you will be taught how to do many of the things that are involved in the Trials, we just don't tell you that you are learning Trial material. 
Not only do we teach you to be a better JK3 player, but we subtly teach you how to pass Trials. Each and every Class here at the JA has something different for you to learn about passing a Trial, you just won't know that you're learning it. 
Can you at least tell us about the procedure of Knight selection? That, I can do.
Students at the JA are constantly being evaluated by ranked members, even the freshly new recruits. Not in a very 'official' way, we're not spying on your every movement or anything - rather, we are merely watching how skilled you are, what you have learned from Classes/Padawan Sessions and how well you use the information you have learned. Your attitude and how you interact with other people is also a high factor in this procedure, how helpful you are and how you behave in some of those 'tricky' situations (Eg. When someone is laming, when someone is being offensive/annoying etc.). Don't be fooled by this, though, your input in these situations is neither required or requested - if a JAK+ is dealing with an offender, you are expected to carry on playing as normal - do not get involved. If there are no ranked members present, simply remind the offender of the rules in a diplomatic way whilst taking screenshots/condumps/demos of the offending actions and trying to contact a ranked member immediately. If your actions are found to be worthy of an opportunity for a Jedi Knight Trial, your name will be brought before the entire JAK+ body and you will be discussed. Factors that will influence this discussion are your attitude, skill, activity, your willingness to help others and your presence to most of the ranked members (The 'aura' you give). If, after this discussion, you are found to be a worthy candidate, you are then 'toggled'. What does 'Toggled' mean? 'Toggling' basically means "Your account at the JA has been flagged, opening it up to Trial information". There are four steps to Jedi Knight Trials, being toggled is the first. Once you are toggled, you can take the next step, which is the written exam. This consists of a list of questions for you to answer concerning the JA, the rules and/or policies, various in-game things, etc. Once you have submitted this exam, it is then discussed by the JAK+ and then graded by a JAC. If you get a 'pass' on your exam, you can then take the next step in the Trials.
How long are the Trials? If you mean 'How long are they from the day you are toggled, to the day you become a Jedi Knight', at shortest it can take two to three weeks to complete the entire process, in many cases, it can take a lot longer. There is a lot involved, especially for you.
What happens if someone fails a Trial? If, at any point during the process, a Trial is failed, then the potential Knight is given one more chance to get it right - A 'Re-Trial' is then scheduled no earlier than two weeks after the first initial failure. The potential Knight may not "pick up where he/she left off" ether, they must retake the entire Trial (Yes, I know, we are evil ).
If the re-trial is also failed, then the potential Knight is de-toggled and will remain a Student. This does not mean that this particular Student is discluded from Knight recommendations and discussions in the future, though. If someone who has failed a Trial is, over time, seen to have grown alot in skill and mentality, then they can indeed be considered to be toggled again. If a Student fails a Trial AND the Re-Trial, how long must he/she wait before being considered again? There is no time frame. It is simply a case of observation, just like any other Student. If that Student is seen to possess the skills required to pass a Jedi Knight Trial, then they will be discussed and toggled again. I really want to help this community by becoming a Jedi Knight, but so far, I have been unable to find a Master who can train me! Please do NOT be under the impression that "only Padawans are considered for Jedi Knights". This simply isn't true. We've had many Jedi Knights and Jedi Trainers in the past who have never had a Master at all. As long as you go to Classes, are active and are seen to be helpful and respectful, you will stand out to the ranked members. If you attend enough Classes here at the JA, you will learn what you need to learn.
------ - Virtue. 
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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A Lesson On Secrecy
Jedi Knight Trials These are secret, because if everybody knew what they were being tested on, they would train specifically to pass the tests themselves rather than training everything else as well. Troublemaker Details These are kept secret for two reasons. The first is that we want to keep the place as peaceful and seemingly trouble-free as possible. The second is that it would cause a lot of unnecessary flaming of them and degrade the community. Jedi Knight Requirements These haven't been particularly hidden or revealed; they are quite easy to see. Activity is a requirement - when knights are toggled they are active players in the community. Complaints These need to be kept private, again, to avoid a public rant and flame about it. There will always be problems and it is easier if you allow us to solve them professionally rather than in front of a demoralised crowd. Remember we are human as well. Anything Else That's Secret Anything else that's secret, is not particularly secret. We just try to preserve the mystery for new students and keep everything professional. This comment was edited by solitude on Apr 18 2009 11:08pm. |
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SaZ - Student 
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yay Sauce.
a person who doesnt try to go 'omg you noobs dont question our actions' and is honest. you JAK+ should really drop 90% of the whole UNNEEDED secrecy crap. would save you a lot of trouble 'answering' (most of the attempts to answer here are more like dodging anyway) questions like these. the cloud of coolness you are trying to create isnt helping. ofcourse now you might think 'of fuuuu...'. im just being honest. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Apr 11 2009 05:38pm. |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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btw
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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it is easy to see that the Masta was promoted because he'll be able to bring something new to the academy's curriculum. imo, his promotion was long overdue.
as regards to the student's question of whether activity is essential to being a jak+, the answer is clearly no. if you mean activity as in being on the servers on a regular basis, interacting, and guiding the students, the answer is self-evident. the reason saz and cactus keep responding is because of the jak+'s hilarious attempt of trying to redefine the word "activity" as we know it. i mean come on. just be honest. prolly only 3 of the 10 JAT/JAK's have been on the servers for more than 1 hr last week. Dash, Laz, and Setementor for those of you who are wondering. but with this said, i don't see how activity should be a requirement if the JAK+'s don't want it to be. l2deal n00bs. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: and... have YOU see him?
JAK+ is working as one unit ? Basically It means that we have 34 eyes... Can you image what you can see with 34 eyes ? Pretty much everything... eventhought It only needs two eyes and most certainly some eyes are active, always... _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Sauce - =^.^=
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rofl u guys are nerds. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: If the question is purely regarding activity - he is active.
even if i dont go to server to play, i still check whos on the server. i dont think i saw masta even once between these events: TIT, Red stance tourney, masta's ceremony. so basically i only saw him play his matches, played against him in two of those and then in the ceremony. maybe in mahers red stance class once as well. not much eh? if you asked around the students - im pretty sure their observations would not be as good as mine. as in... they see him even less often. Quote: Masta is active - just because you don't see him when it suits *you* doesn't mean he isn't around.
and... have YOU see him?
i cant even expect a honest answer to this question, because you are much less active than most of the students. even if you saw him... well read the end of the post for my theory about that. Quote: whether its right to be placed in public or better taken to a JAK+ privately.
im pretty sure that a lot of less... loud... members of this community, especially the new ones and ones that like to see the reason behind everything, had a simmilar thought in their minds. if they dont say it - that doesnt mean they dont think about this. hiding everything like that would just make everything worse. i think the best person for this question to answer would be... Sauce. why? he is the most active member serverwise imo. he would know the real answer, then again i dont think he would care to tell that. just a reminder, this matter is all about activity. not skill, not attitude. masta has those and we all know it. so... whats my theory? masta was toggled and since trials and all those things take a long time - YOU saw him pretty often. privately, in other servers (as far as i remember some of the JAK+ set up a server once in awhile in the past), etc. while thats cool and all - you see him active, but isnt JAK+ all about dealing with students? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Apr 11 2009 03:29pm. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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>_>
Fascinating... *takes his pills* *shivers* Much better... *bounces away* _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: If you have a criticism about the way things or done or why a certain action has been taken, maybe before posting you should take a step back look at what your thinking of posting and then think whether its right to be placed in public or better taken to a JAK+ privately. If its regarding the JAK+ then the council are always around somewhere, mainly on IRC or MSN.
Yes, there's nothing more demoralising and disruptive than a public rant, especially against all of the work we've put in next to our busy lives. Submitting it privately let's us deal with it without any disruption to the academy and people's morale. Note there will always be problems everywhere you go and ranting in public about them isn't very helpful to its staff. Quote: All these comments will probably get deleted since this thread won't be locked. You guys should probably email the council instead.
It's so incredibly rare for a post to be deleted at the academy and I wouldn't want it any other way. Quote: So, what Sete said was just his point of view? Do the other JAK+ share that?
It's the point of view that any JAK+ would take. In any case, I think you're all overreacting. Let us do our jobs and maybe you'll be happier. If you do have a complaint, take it to a staff member privately. |
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Kaelis - On Leave 
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Once again into the politics of the Academy.
@ZantuS As Solitude says many things happen behind the scene at the academy here. Most of which are not made public or the reasons why. This is how it is and how it has been for a long time, long before You, and I became members of the Academy. Again as Solitude says though, many of the members you see around may already be toggled, they may have not taken there trial yet, may not be ready or even have taken it and failed and are waiting to take the trial again. As for activity, I try to drop on the servers a couple of times a week, most people in the staff are active but they cannot be on the server 24/7 so it is highly likely that you won't be on at the same time as them. If you really want to see a staff memeber being active on the server then you can always get along to a class. And finally from me to Zantus "Don't get me wrong, I'm not jealous or anything. " hmmm if your not thinking about it in that way why drop that line in? @Ourselves
Maybe if its a general feeling that a lot of stuff is hidden behind the scenes maybe we should think about making some more news posts about the status of things? What are your thoughts? @Solitude - I've stolen your Winner
@All If you have a criticism about the way things or done or why a certain action has been taken, maybe before posting you should take a step back look at what your thinking of posting and then think whether its right to be placed in public or better taken to a JAK+ privately. If its regarding the JAK+ then the council are always around somewhere, mainly on IRC or MSN. _______________ Padawan of Roan Belouve, brother to Acura, Proud to be part of the Belouve Dynasty, Proud Owner of Jarhok's 430th comment, Dash Starlights 1600th comment, Saz's 5000th comment and Alex D'Kanas 2100 comment |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I don't know what's the big deal. So a communist became a knight, it's not the end of the world.
On a serious note, Masta seems like hes overdue for a knight spot. He has skill, dedication to this community and a good personality. Being a knight will give him more motivation to be active as we all know, this game can get boring over time if you do the same thing over and over again. All these comments will probably get deleted since this thread won't be locked. You guys should probably email the council instead. Despite this being a strange capitalist construct, I'm actually pretty ok with freedom of speech. It is worth noting though, if you want to bring something up in private, you will get a private answre. If you wish to air it in public, I will likewise answer here. I will not censor someone just for saying something I dislike - I will at least *try* to reason with them, up to a point anyway. Deleting comments here would serve no purpose - I will leave them here so readers have a full understanding of what the thread is referring to (unless porn or something is linked ...) Were unpleasant comments to be made, they are purely a reflection on the poster. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge  Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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@ Zantus
Quote: Right...so the activity isn't a necessity then.
If it had been, I'm sure some active and helpful people who could give more to this place as knights would have found it demoralizing to see an inactive member knighted. Even thought it may look like it, I am not referring to myself. Incorrect, again. JAK+ are active, Masta is active - just because you don't see him when it suits *you* doesn't mean he isn't around. I am going to make this very clear, these "active and helpful people who could give more to this place" who have not been knighted, have not been knighted for a very obvious reason. They have not passed their trials. Whether you like it or not, you have *no idea* what is going on behind the scenes. For all you know, these people you're thinking of might already be togged - it's not like they'll have a red flag pinned to their back. If a member has not been togged for the trial, this is for the very simple reason that they are not ready. The readiness of the candidate is determined by the JAK+ who have had contact with them and especially their master, if they have one. We do not toggle people who we think will fail. If you are not toggled, this is because you are likely to fail the trail. If there are further serious questions about this subject, feel free to post here or email fixtheja, or an individual staff member if you deem necessary. @ Saz Quote: i agree with you completely (zantus probably too). our whole point was this whole situation, not that masta doesnt deserve the knighthood or anything.
I'm not sure I understand your complaint - if you agree that Masta deserved it, what's the issue? If the question is purely regarding activity - he is active. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Right...so the activity isn't a necessity then.
If it had been, I'm sure some active and helpful people who could give more to this place as knights would have found it demoralizing to see an inactive member knighted. Even thought it may look like it, I am not referring to myself. _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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He has skill, dedication to this community and a good personality.
well i agree with you completely (zantus probably too). our whole point was this whole situation, not that masta doesnt deserve the knighthood or anything. Masta was knighted as he was toggled, pass his written exam, was seconded and passed his trials. The comments below will not be deleted, but I am at a loss as to what will actually make some people happy. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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ZantuS - Student
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Quote: How is it possible that Masta was made knight then? He hasn't been active on the servers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not jealous or anything. Could some JAK+ provide an answer for this? _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Moving on....
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Alternatively, in-game complaints about his position can be delivered to me, and I shall administer an appropriate response _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Masta won the Red Tourney some time ago and if I'm not mistaking the prize of the tournament was something like "the winner teaches us red stance" ... You get the point why he is a knight now.
haha if there is actual truth in your words then looks like i its all my fault lol Quote: He has skill, dedication to this community and a good personality.
well i agree with you completely (zantus probably too). our whole point was this whole situation, not that masta doesnt deserve the knighthood or anything. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Apr 05 2009 08:55pm. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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I don't know what's the big deal. So a communist became a knight, it's not the end of the world.
On a serious note, Masta seems like hes overdue for a knight spot. He has skill, dedication to this community and a good personality. Being a knight will give him more motivation to be active as we all know, this game can get boring over time if you do the same thing over and over again. All these comments will probably get deleted since this thread won't be locked. You guys should probably email the council instead. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Piccolo - Student 
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Masta won the Red Tourney some time ago and if I'm not mistaking the prize of the tournament was something like "the winner teaches us red stance" ... You get the point why he is a knight now. |
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ZantuS - Student
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So, what Sete said was just his point of view? Do the other JAK+ share that? I'm not saying that Masta is unfit, but why all of a sudden promote an inactive member?(talking about the servers here)
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SaZ - Student
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lol jeez. cant you answer the question so this matter is clear once and for all? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Thank you Saz and Zantus for your concern regarding the quality of the JA staff and it's decisions. Your remarks and suggestions are well noted and we are happy to guarantee you that our decisions are always well thought out and that we are not making promotions of members that we would think unfit for the jobs accorded to them. If you have any other suggestions, complains or remarks concerning the JA, it's staff or anything related to either, please do not hesitate to write us at fixtheja@thejediacademy.net or contact us directly on IRC #jedi-academy. Thanks! _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: How is it possible that Masta was made knight then? He hasn't been active on the servers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not jealous or anything. yeah that thought crossed my mind as well. also... he is still inactive so >.> <.< a new knight whos inactive right from the first days of his knightship sounds very weird and... unpromising i guess. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Apr 05 2009 07:38pm. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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It's those horrid KGB...they assassinated the TJA tops and appointed him as a knight. It is the only logically sound conclusion. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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I heard it's because of his political affiliation. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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