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Due to the amount of questions we receive at the JAC Q&A Sessions regarding Trials and Trial Procedures, I decided to write this FAQ.
I will add to it if more questions arise on the matter. 
------ What is involved in a Jedi Knight Trial? Jedi Knight Trials are very secret and only members of the JAK+ know exactly what is involved in one. The only information I will give out concerning what goes on, is that they consist of very precise and challenging tests of Skill, Morality, Mentality and Problem solving. Trials are skill specific, meaning that a Gunner won't be trialled, expecting to be highly skilled with a Lightsaber and/or Dueling. The Trials are engineered to be the ultimate test of an individual's specialty - IE. Gunning, Dueling, Full Force, etc. There are maps that have been built especially for the Trials and the maps themselves are built to test many of the prerequisites of being a Jedi Knight. Where are the Trial Maps and why are there no links to them on the site? See above. Jedi Knight Trials are very secret and mysterious. The only people who have these maps are the JAK+ and Students who are taking the Trials. The maps are sent to 'Trialees' via P2P (Peer To Peer) method (IRC, MSN, AIM, etc.) only minutes before their Trial starts, the maps are NOT uploaded to the website, nor can they be obtained via any hyperlink. Are Students allowed to watch other people being Trialled? No. Why all the secrecy? If everyone knew what was involved in the Trial procedures, the Trials would be made obsolete. People would train specifically just to pass the Trials, people would know about their secrets and answers and would render tests of morality, mentality and problem solving ineffective. Also, the Trials serve as a test of how people behave under extreme, stressful or nervous situations. There is a certain feel/atmosphere around Jedi Knight Trials and taking them which adds to the excitement of them. If everyone knew about them and what was involved in becoming a Jedi Knight - then all of this would be destroyed. The Academy would be made a little less exciting and we wouldn't be sure of the people we were promoting in respect to mentality, admin abuse, spirit and many of the other key things associated with being a Jedi Knight at the JA. How is anyone supposed to pass a Trial if they don't know anything about what is in them? I will not deny that the Jedi Knight Trials are very hard. But at the same time, if you are active in the JA and you attend Classes and/or Padawan sessions frequently, then you will be taught how to do many of the things that are involved in the Trials, we just don't tell you that you are learning Trial material. 
Not only do we teach you to be a better JK3 player, but we subtly teach you how to pass Trials. Each and every Class here at the JA has something different for you to learn about passing a Trial, you just won't know that you're learning it. 
Can you at least tell us about the procedure of Knight selection? That, I can do.
Students at the JA are constantly being evaluated by ranked members, even the freshly new recruits. Not in a very 'official' way, we're not spying on your every movement or anything - rather, we are merely watching how skilled you are, what you have learned from Classes/Padawan Sessions and how well you use the information you have learned. Your attitude and how you interact with other people is also a high factor in this procedure, how helpful you are and how you behave in some of those 'tricky' situations (Eg. When someone is laming, when someone is being offensive/annoying etc.). Don't be fooled by this, though, your input in these situations is neither required or requested - if a JAK+ is dealing with an offender, you are expected to carry on playing as normal - do not get involved. If there are no ranked members present, simply remind the offender of the rules in a diplomatic way whilst taking screenshots/condumps/demos of the offending actions and trying to contact a ranked member immediately. If your actions are found to be worthy of an opportunity for a Jedi Knight Trial, your name will be brought before the entire JAK+ body and you will be discussed. Factors that will influence this discussion are your attitude, skill, activity, your willingness to help others and your presence to most of the ranked members (The 'aura' you give). If, after this discussion, you are found to be a worthy candidate, you are then 'toggled'. What does 'Toggled' mean? 'Toggling' basically means "Your account at the JA has been flagged, opening it up to Trial information". There are four steps to Jedi Knight Trials, being toggled is the first. Once you are toggled, you can take the next step, which is the written exam. This consists of a list of questions for you to answer concerning the JA, the rules and/or policies, various in-game things, etc. Once you have submitted this exam, it is then discussed by the JAK+ and then graded by a JAC. If you get a 'pass' on your exam, you can then take the next step in the Trials.
How long are the Trials? If you mean 'How long are they from the day you are toggled, to the day you become a Jedi Knight', at shortest it can take two to three weeks to complete the entire process, in many cases, it can take a lot longer. There is a lot involved, especially for you.
What happens if someone fails a Trial? If, at any point during the process, a Trial is failed, then the potential Knight is given one more chance to get it right - A 'Re-Trial' is then scheduled no earlier than two weeks after the first initial failure. The potential Knight may not "pick up where he/she left off" ether, they must retake the entire Trial (Yes, I know, we are evil ).
If the re-trial is also failed, then the potential Knight is de-toggled and will remain a Student. This does not mean that this particular Student is discluded from Knight recommendations and discussions in the future, though. If someone who has failed a Trial is, over time, seen to have grown alot in skill and mentality, then they can indeed be considered to be toggled again. If a Student fails a Trial AND the Re-Trial, how long must he/she wait before being considered again? There is no time frame. It is simply a case of observation, just like any other Student. If that Student is seen to possess the skills required to pass a Jedi Knight Trial, then they will be discussed and toggled again. I really want to help this community by becoming a Jedi Knight, but so far, I have been unable to find a Master who can train me! Please do NOT be under the impression that "only Padawans are considered for Jedi Knights". This simply isn't true. We've had many Jedi Knights and Jedi Trainers in the past who have never had a Master at all. As long as you go to Classes, are active and are seen to be helpful and respectful, you will stand out to the ranked members. If you attend enough Classes here at the JA, you will learn what you need to learn.
------ - Virtue. 
_______________ Academy Architect This post was edited by solitude on Apr 18 2009 11:04pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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A Lesson On Secrecy
Jedi Knight Trials These are secret, because if everybody knew what they were being tested on, they would train specifically to pass the tests themselves rather than training everything else as well. Troublemaker Details These are kept secret for two reasons. The first is that we want to keep the place as peaceful and seemingly trouble-free as possible. The second is that it would cause a lot of unnecessary flaming of them and degrade the community. Jedi Knight Requirements These haven't been particularly hidden or revealed; they are quite easy to see. Activity is a requirement - when knights are toggled they are active players in the community. Complaints These need to be kept private, again, to avoid a public rant and flame about it. There will always be problems and it is easier if you allow us to solve them professionally rather than in front of a demoralised crowd. Remember we are human as well. Anything Else That's Secret Anything else that's secret, is not particularly secret. We just try to preserve the mystery for new students and keep everything professional. This comment was edited by solitude on Apr 18 2009 11:08pm. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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But since you've been gone I can breathe for the first time. I'm so moving on! Thanks to you I can get... I get what I want!
I think everyone will join me in saying.. WTF? Look at who has edited it and do the math  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Quote: But since you've been gone I can breathe for the first time. I'm so moving on! Thanks to you I can get... I get what I want!
I think everyone will join me in saying.. WTF? _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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Blood - Student |
I'm new to the JA site but i'm exited to learn and am willing to try my hardest! |
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Haywud - Ex-Student |
But since you've been gone I can breathe for the first time. I'm so moving on! Thanks to you I can get... I get what I want! This comment was edited by DJ Sith on Jun 30 2008 04:15pm. |
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Aidan® - Aidan 
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but in the eyes of a newbie you would be ace, as in yo probably wouldn't get hit by them. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Then you still have much to see.
agreed. i consider myself an average player. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Degor - Padawan 
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Quote: what is so wrong about that exactly? I didn't say it was a bad thing. BTW I think we should stop spamming the trails FAQ.
If you want to see who is the newbie here fight me on the servers! _______________ May the force be with you. And may the academy stand forever! |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Then you still have much to see. |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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what im saying is there is mainly 2 types of player, newbies and the 1337, i don't see to many in-between players. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: to be honest i see heaps of newbies on servers, or just unskilled oldies, but yeah there are allot of skilled players, sort of makes it hard to find masters unless your in a clan.
i fail to see your point tbh. in JA i played with all kinds of players of all kinds of types of skills. sure its a pretty blunt classification, but: from kata spammers to Wovians. that pretty much covers every type of player jka community has or ever had :] Quote: Yeah thereare a lot of 'newbies'.
what is so wrong about that exactly? after 10 duels where one guy wins 10-0 a conversation opens: -dont be stressed since you did not play this game as long as i do, you are pretty much a newbie according to your join date. -WHAT?! ME NOOB? NO YOU! admiting that you are a begginner is a first step to improvement. basically... whats so wrong about word noob? its almost as if it is a synonym for idiot for you? why is that? i think the true meaning of it is the most important :] 2cents. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Jun 26 2008 05:21pm. |
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Degor - Padawan
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Yay you got it! You're so smart my master! _______________ May the force be with you. And may the academy stand forever! |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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I got it:
Newb |
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Degor - Padawan
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Hehe perhaps something without 'bie'? _______________ May the force be with you. And may the academy stand forever! |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Recentlyjoinedbies
1337bies Knowledgebies Lostbies Notsonewbies etc. See why "newbie" is most fitting? |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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hmm. maybe we should call them something else , any ideas _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Degor - Padawan 
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Yeah thereare a lot of 'newbies'. (I really don't like that word.) _______________ May the force be with you. And may the academy stand forever! |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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to be honest i see heaps of newbies on servers, or just unskilled oldies, but yeah there are allot of skilled players, sort of makes it hard to find masters unless your in a clan. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Sane/Relic - Student 
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Honestly, the lower amount of people playing this game has both advantages and disadvantages. Of course, it's a ''bad'' thing because servers are empty and there aren't alot of people to play with, but honestly I think the low activity is leaving the most skilled players to play together. You don't see many new players, and most fights are more exciting because of the skill level of the left over players. _______________ True absence of mortality. |
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ShadowJedi - Student 
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Well , anyway , there are some people ( many or less) That are still playing JK3 and they ARE in The Jedi Academy ( me for example ) _______________ ->SJ<- "Never fall to the Dark Side , They Do not have Cookies" |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Sorry to burst your bubble. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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I suspect getting new members is harder now.
I'm actually surprised at how many members we have regularly gotten the past 2-3 years. Quote: JK3 is not sold in shops anymore.
When I went to my local game shop some time ago, it was still there, despite it being many years old. Not sure if it still is. Quote: People who want a copy will need to ebay it (or acquire it via other 2nd hand means).
Such as many old JK3 players handing their copies over to their friends? I hear of this a LOT.
Quote: Consequently, people will not be buying the game from just browsing a store and instead would actually need to be specifically looking for a copy.
In addition, JK3 costs between £10 and £25 second hand these days in the UK - a fair amount for such an old game. I also hear a lot of new players telling me that they have just acquired the game from either looking to try out a new game, random browsing, being a Star Wars fan looking for a new Star Wars game, being a Jedi Knight and Dark Forces fan looking to purchase the latest game in the series or just being given the game from a friend who no longer has any desire to play it. All of these I've heard in 2008 alone, many multiple times. I must live in an insular bubble then. ^^ _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Quote: I suspect getting new members is harder now.
I'm actually surprised at how many members we have regularly gotten the past 2-3 years. Quote: JK3 is not sold in shops anymore.
When I went to my local game shop some time ago, it was still there, despite it being many years old. Not sure if it still is. Quote: People who want a copy will need to ebay it (or acquire it via other 2nd hand means).
Such as many old JK3 players handing their copies over to their friends? I hear of this a LOT.
Quote: Consequently, people will not be buying the game from just browsing a store and instead would actually need to be specifically looking for a copy.
In addition, JK3 costs between £10 and £25 second hand these days in the UK - a fair amount for such an old game. I also hear a lot of new players telling me that they have just acquired the game from either looking to try out a new game, random browsing, being a Star Wars fan looking for a new Star Wars game, being a Jedi Knight and Dark Forces fan looking to purchase the latest game in the series or just being given the game from a friend who no longer has any desire to play it. All of these I've heard in 2008 alone, many multiple times. This comment was edited by Setementor on Jun 16 2008 02:13pm. |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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its still sold in shops over here, so is JK2 and 1, i bought a 2nd hand copy of JK3 recently for $8Au, so im not sure about that. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: It's not so much a problem with getting new members; it's keeping them active.
I suspect getting new members is harder now. JK3 is not sold in shops anymore. People who want a copy will need to ebay it (or acquire it via other 2nd hand means). Consequently, people will not be buying the game from just browsing a store and instead would actually need to be specifically looking for a copy. In addition, JK3 costs between £10 and £25 second hand these days in the UK - a fair amount for such an old game. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Aidan® - Aidan
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well we might have better odds of people staying if we had more people, or horribly clog the site _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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