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Aron - Retired  |
Hi everyone, The Council has been discussing this topic for a while now, and we decided to ask for your opinion. Here's the deal: We're a very diverse community, and we try to keep every subject discussable. However, it seems that with "religion threads" it is just impossible NOT to offend eachother at a certain point. Some people can get really hurt by things said on those threads; wether it be ment that way or not. Something not many people know is that I am a very religious person too. I just try not to interfere with those threads, simply because I think they are not constructive in the end. In theory, it's a really great thing, but in the end, the Council keeps getting to deal with these matters; something that should not happen. Now then, we provide you the the choice here. Please vote on the poll, and leave your thoughts here. And keep it nice. My personal opinion: I think the solution would be the outcast religious discussion from these forums. Not because of the religion itself; nothing against that. Just because of the people that keep getting hurt and offended by these threads, and us having to deal with it in a way that is nearly impossible. The internet is a large place; there are most likely forums which are ment for this sole purpose elsewhere. And if there are not, I will be most happy to set them up for you; it would take me less than 10 minutes, probably. I have nothing against the religion talk, but I prefer not to see it within the Academy's borders. |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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I am surprised this didnt happen awhile ago. |
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bono_bob - Student |
Actaully to add waht I just said, you can have reasoning related to your religion without simply saying because of your religion, first of all there us some logic to almost any decision that you can come up with ( or at least fake logic that politicians throw ayt us  ) I don't think it should be forbidded, but if you have noticed msot religion talk stays in the religion area which is good. If I started goind around spabming "Jesus Saves" not only would it probally turn you all off not liking the topic even more, but would also hurt my self most likely.The problem if banning religion is that when you go into supernatural topics that some might not consider 'religion' other might consider it related to religion. Besides, a real religion that is worth time is not to be consider just a 'religion' it is a beliefe, and everyone has their own beliefs and you can only change what they believe if THEY are WILLING to. I personnaly have nto been in the forums that long, so I will taek teh fence sitting option. I would like to make clear that religion is just abotu related to anythign you might start talkign about such as ghosts, witch art, phychics, or babbles about the force being real or something like it. If you vote for it to be forbidden I expect you to never talk of such things. ( of course if it does get forbidden and I see a touchy subject I will simply state *this subject is touchy on the matters of religion* ) _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) This comment was edited by bono_bob on Apr 29 2005 04:50pm. |
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: Two kinds of religions can be seen as two seperate cultures. If you put two seperate cultures in the same place, chances are big you'll get a conflict. Thats a simple fact, it has happened in the past, and it's still happening today. However, I feel the JA is an extremely rare community, based upon respect. If we can get ourselves this far, not caring about nationality, respecting peoples opinion eventhough its different from your own, etc, then we're well on our way of being able to put two or more kinds of religion next to each other and live in harmony. The JA's all about respect, if there's a place on this world that can exist in peace with several cultures in it, it's the JA. Do remember though that its better not to let religion influence the rules, or judgement of the Council. An argument as 'The Bible says so' can conflict with whats said in other religions. Just keep those things the way they are, cause its good this way.  Lastly a warning about discussions. If you have two people having two different kinds of religions, try not to convert the other to your religion. You wont agree with what he/she believes, and vica versa. Instead I think it's better to respect their different view on things, remember they could easily be as right or wrong about things as you are! So listen to them, learn from them and their culture instead of telling them 'your way is better.' lol so just dont say 'because the bible says so" when you reasoning whiel your reasoning :p _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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My personal opinion on religious and/or political threads: I think they are out of place in the JA. Why? Simply because beyond the fact we all love Star Wars, we're human beings with personal feelings and believes. That means each of us sees the world, interpretes it in his/her own way. That brings many many opportunities to hurt people's feelings badly if sensitive subjects are discussed. I, for one, am not a religious person, yet I'm extremely tolerant and comprehensive about it. So I'd probably ask a question or two about this or that religion. But the subject is just not interesting for me (belief-wise) except to better understand cultural aspects of our world. On the other hand, some people might be offended about threads that 'promote' a religion. I do not particularly care, except if the content of the thread turns out to be a disguised 'recruitment'. Political threads share the same fate in my view. I'd love not to see this kind of things discussed in a place dedicated to fun and abstract/virtual world. We have many many means of communication besides the forums to talk about this matter, included live chat (dedicated channels could be created), messenger softwares, emails, etc. And the second main reason of my being opposed to those, is the fact the admins of this place already have enough to do with traditional forums in terms of peace-keeping and moderation without having to enforce the rules on threads that are well-known to be problematic. That's just my $0.02  Odan-Wei Belouve _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy  - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife!  - JA Family: Brothers:
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Me, being one of the first as far as I know to start a religion thread find myself standing on the fence looking into both yards. Sure, I like discussing the Bible. It's a book filled with many wonderful lessons and spiritual teachings and (in my belief) might just get people saved by God's grace. I don't post believe this or come check this out trying to recruit people. If I know they have an interest in the topic or perhaps have posted their in the past I might try to encurage them to get more involved with the studies at hand, but I don't go advertising it or trying to sell it off to people that it might save. Now on the other side I see no forums of that nature and a certain kind of peace because I look at those forums as a big pile of highly flamible material and some pyro's just can't help but to come running with lighters and matches and such. That's not to say that pyro's don't go running to other subjects or in fact people too in which case this problem of fires and drama will never end even if such subjects are banned. As far as additions to rules and such, am I missing something here? Quote: If a staff member, (a Knight, Trainer, or Council member) requests something extra from you please follow it. These rules all boil down to respect. If you don’t have respect for your fellow players, you have no place in the Academy! and.. Quote: No amount of personal attacks or character assassinations (also known as flaming) is tolerated. If you can’t be polite then be quiet. Now I would just like to point out something here. I was a Knight up until a little while ago and for what it is worth, I added a little rule into my thread that fell right under the umbrella of the standing rules standing on the line of respect. Did people listen, follow, obey the initial rules that I just quoted? No. As a Knight asking and bring a little more emphasis on the rules of respect, did these individuals listen, follow, obey/respect what I wanted? No. Now you can think banning certain subjects or additions to the rules might be the correct coarse of action, but I don't think so because we have a clear demonstration of what the real problem is. It's a select group of individuals described very well by Virtue who continually do those types of things. Now here is where I get a little upset. It's okay for Council to pull all ranks from everybody in some sort of "Spring Cleaning" event. I actually agree with it because us Jak+'s just weren't doing what we were doing in at least one of the areas we are expected to excel in. I'm just upset about the fact that it took alot of us hours and hours of training and waiting and trialing to make those positions and hours and hours of our time was used in making this place what it is by teaching classes and policing as well as other activities. This place is nothing without people investing their time and energy into it to support the system that this place was founded on and all of that was just wiped out. Now if the Council feels that hours and hours of our time really doesn't mean that much, (granted we weren't up to par with what they wanted from us), then why do these individuals continually do what they do without being removed? We worked to better the Academy and were punish for our shortcomings while they work to worsen the Academy and nothing ever befalls them. This isn't the first time I've posted something like this either. These people don't have to be apart of the Jedi Academy in order to play JK3 and if they want to do the things described by Virtue, then why not let them do it with like minded people on the public servers? Not even the best of the Jak+'s recieved any mercy with this cleaning. Quote: If you are caught violating these, it will result in an official JA warning. You only get one warning. If you violate these rules again you will be banned from the Academy. I'm sorry for being so foward and I don't mean this in any disrespect, but as long as the administators of this Academy sits on idle hands this problem we're discussing right now will never be taken care of. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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I would prefer it if religious discussions were allowed, because quite simply if a person does decide to be 'devil's advocate' or whatever in such a thread, then can't an admin simply remove their post and warn them? And as you said, if they cry about it this isn't a democracy. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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I was speaking generally there, not specifically about the Religious threads alone. My point was that it is those things that amass to the problems that the JAC have been discussing concerning the Forums. The religious threads came up because they seem to be a particular focus of many of the problems. They were made for a specific reason and carried initial messages such as "This thread is something that interests me, I will not preach my beliefs to others, instead I will keep my interests solely within this thread - if you have nothing positive to contribute, please simply ignore this thread". If you look back through the Bibe Study thread, in particular you will see hints of what I was talking about in my last post here. Please do not ask for examples as I do not want to quote individuals or name names. If you want examples, just go look through the thread, you'll find some. Anyways, in short - Speaking generally, what I mentioned before probably plays the largest factor in why some people (or even groups of people) get offended. Topics of strong emotion and/or feeling such as talks of religion are a focal point for stuff like this as you're not talking about a movie that you saw at the cinema the other day - you're talking about someone's way of life, their philosophies and entire belief systems. Even if you mean well, you need to be very careful giving opinions in such discussions, especially if you are not a religious person and/or you know a fair bit about it. At the end of the day, the warning is stated at the top of these discussions to not post if you are not interested or have nothing constructive to input. If you choose to ignore these warnings/requests then it's your own problem and you are the one who is wrong, no matter how good your opinion/point may be. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Question: this post was probably made because of recent religious 'discussions'. Now, yesterday we had some people making fun of these discussions by posting all kinds of threads, but if I look at the only two threads which currently have real discussion of a subject (Satanism and the Bible thread), I don't see anything too 'heavy' or something like that. The Bible thread has been kept fairly constructive and the Satanism thread is currently very on-topic. So my question is, what prompted you to discuss this? Has it been going on for some time, and what's with all the people venting 'Devil's advocates! Looking to stir up trouble!'? Is it something I missed? |
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Virtue - Jedi Council
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I hate people who play 'Devil's advocate', I hate people who try to shake things up just for the sake of shaking things up and I hate people who try to be smartasses. Everything could run soooo smoothly if people would just stop doing the above mentioned things, there is just no reason or need for it. All I want...all I have ever wanted is just for people to be happy. And it can happen. Now I'm not going to name names, but there are a select few people who will do something (not necessarily because it's their opinion or that they feel strongly on the subject) that will do or say something just to stir something, or just to see what everyone's reaction is or even just because they think it's hilarious. There's just no call for this type of thing, it may be "Just the internet", but people don't realise that they're still dealing with real human beings here. This is why our Forums become messy sometimes, not because two conflicting ideas or beliefs meet, generating a heated discussion. 90% of the time, it is because of the above mentioned things. I would love to forbid devil's advocate, trouble stirring, reaction seeking and smartassed attitudes from the JA, but that would simply be a very stupid rule. And not just because of the fact that it's sometimes hard to tell if someone is serious or not. My brain simply won't allow me to understand the logic of people who love to shake things up just because they think it's funny, and seeing people get off on something so trivial and uncalled for actually enrages me. The only thing that goes through my mind is "Why?" - the fact that it is funny to you simply makes it all the more injust. It's not the Religion discussions that are the problem - not any discussions for that matter. It is simply these people. If you are one of these people and you are reading this - Know that although you think that you cannot be 'punished' because you are 'technically' not breaking any rules, the Jedi Academy isn't a democracy. Annoying an administrator isn't against the rules, but at the end of they day, you are still, and will always be at our mercy, if you annoy us, we can ban you - that is our decision to make, rule or no rule. I'm am not demanding anything from anyone here, I simply want to ask you; Please, please, PLEASE. Play nice. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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Religion for me basically comes down to what a person believes, and what that belief causes them to do. You can have your official religions, your big and small religions, even your joke religions. But in the end, it's mostly about philosophy. And I never thought this place was about NOT being able to express your own philosophy on anything, whatever it is. So my vote goes to allowing the serious and respectful discussion of religion, and for that matter any topic. I do see the points that others have made about religion being one of those things that really offends some people, or gets them worked up. I just happen to disagree that we should ban it's discussion because of that. _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Roan Belouve - Retired 
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We should have the forums left for people to discuss whatever they want. If you start a thread you have to understand that comments will not always be respectful or relevant. It's a shame but unfortunatley true. If we stop religous discussions what will be next? _______________ *Bro to Vaxxla,Padawan of FiZZandOdan-Wei Part of the mighty Belouve Dynasty-Knight of Nippledom.Twin of Selphestal!**Proud Master to Kaelis and Acura Friend to anyone who would call me the same . Pic by the amazing Majno (merry)
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Aron - Retired 
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Of course the "best" solution would be if everyone would just do what a thousand people have already said: "if you don't have anything constructive to add, just ignore it". However, this will NOT happen. It simply won't. This has been said over and over again, but people will never EVER always listen to that. Including this in the rules would make it really clear. @ Gradius: Quote: As far as banning them from the JA entirely, well, as people have already said it doesn't matter if they are banned or not, people will still have them. In IRC, the forums, and servers. Sure, we can all agree to tell people not to discuss it, but it's going to happen no matter what, and people are going to get hurt. So, in my opinion, sure, go ahead and throw it in the rules not to discuss religions. But it's going to happen nonetheless because people think they have 100% complete freedom of speech here, although many of us know that's not the case. I'll still refuse to take part in any of it. You have a good point there, but AGAIN, if these are disallowed by the rules, I do not think it will happen. Sure, people will discuss it. In private. If not, they are breaking the rules by talking about it on a MODERATED forum, or a MODERATED IRC channel. This comment was edited by Aron on Apr 29 2005 12:09pm. |
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MOTREC - Student 
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i can see where this comes from since most people have lost the meaning of the word "discussion". well heres a reminder. discussion 'to discuss' 'to share thoughts and ideas without fear of being CRITISIZED OR HATED. Basically what im getting at is if someone puts "their" take on a thread created it should be respected as that persons view. because ffs god help us if we have a different opinion than some other opinionated butthead who thinks its his way or no way. i guess what im saying here is that if you have to flame or talk someone down then dont post or just post "i can see your point but this how i FEEL on the issue" and be polite. and ffs people when your reading posts replied to what you have said, they are not necessarily flaming you so dont be a self-centered person and think they are attacking you, just reply IN KIND and be civil. my mom always told me if you dont have something nice or constructive to say, dont say anything at all. This comment was edited by MOTREC on Apr 29 2005 11:58am. |
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Coogee - Student 
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It appears to me that when you have two different viewpoints in religion, conflict almost always seems to follow. I don't have any problems with discussion but I don't think the JA is the place to do it, as many others have said there are plenty of other boards out there dedicated to this kinda stuff. _______________ Bro of many in a very deformed family tree || Formerly a Padawan of Motrec, Kenyon & Aphex AKA Quiet Guardian, QG and Coogie |
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Kueller - Student 
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I think it would be sensible to stop the discussions about religion in the fora. It's there that most of the hurting is, in IRC the discussions stay very civiliced as far as I've seen. The hard thing about an anti-religion talk stuff is to how far the rule goes. Can we say "God bless you"? Maybe it's offending to Moslims or Hinduus. Merely playing devil's advocate here (I love word jokes ) I think we should just try to put in the rules that there should not be made religious discussion threads, and close them if we see them. I think that is as far as you could go in this matter, harsher rules would worsen the mood. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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I've always frowned upon religious discussions. They don't end up anywhere good. It doesn't matter what people say, someone is going to say something that offends others. Even people of the same religion often have different beliefs that offend eachother. I've been at the JA for a little over a year now, and every single religious discussion has started out civilized, but ended up in pople flaming eachothers beliefs wether or not they mean to. As far as banning them from the JA entirely, well, as people have already said it doesn't matter if they are banned or not, people will still have them. In IRC, the forums, and servers. Sure, we can all agree to tell people not to discuss it, but it's going to happen no matter what, and people are going to get hurt. So, in my opinion, sure, go ahead and throw it in the rules not to discuss religions. But it's going to happen nonetheless because people think they have 100% complete freedom of speech here, although many of us know that's not the case. I'll still refuse to take part in any of it. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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Two kinds of religions can be seen as two seperate cultures. If you put two seperate cultures in the same place, chances are big you'll get a conflict. Thats a simple fact, it has happened in the past, and it's still happening today. However, I feel the JA is an extremely rare community, based upon respect. If we can get ourselves this far, not caring about nationality, respecting peoples opinion eventhough its different from your own, etc, then we're well on our way of being able to put two or more kinds of religion next to each other and live in harmony. The JA's all about respect, if there's a place on this world that can exist in peace with several cultures in it, it's the JA. Do remember though that its better not to let religion influence the rules, or judgement of the Council. An argument as 'The Bible says so' can conflict with whats said in other religions. Just keep those things the way they are, cause its good this way. Lastly a warning about discussions. If you have two people having two different kinds of religions, try not to convert the other to your religion. You wont agree with what he/she believes, and vica versa. Instead I think it's better to respect their different view on things, remember they could easily be as right or wrong about things as you are! So listen to them, learn from them and their culture instead of telling them 'your way is better.' _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Casual - Student 
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Definitely allow it. Whatever the case, if any such topic (especially one as fruitive as religion) is outcasted from these forums I see it as quite a hefty infringment on free speech. And in my opinion, that is much worse than the squabbles going on in said threads. How I see it is that common sense is all we need. Like someone said, if you don't have anything constructive to say in order to further the on-going discussion, please ignore the thread. If this poll was originally created because the given threads might have portrayed "lack of respect", I really doubt there's anything to worry about. In order to have an exchange of opinions, someone must always disagree and that's what renders any topic interesting. Of course at some point someone will say a bit harshly, and then apologies are in order. What I'm trying to say is that it's not the THREADS that are bad, it's the PEOPLE behind them. I'm not too religious (except for the offhand belief in a deity), but I am a believer of free speech. Um, sorry if that last bit sounded a bit too dramatic -Simo _______________ Thanks to the human heart by which we live, Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears, To me the meanest flower that blows can give Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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I will have to go with Aron. I have always chosen to stay away from such threads as well. Not because I don't believe or am not a christian or something, but mainly because I know what such threads always end up in. You can write whatever guideline you want at the start of your thread. Like, if you have nothing good to add, don't post. Or, please respect this threads nature and only add something if you are interetested in the subect, and can be civil about it. But people will do it anyway. It is human nature to react upon something you disagree with. People just stand up for their opinions. It has been that way forever, and it will be that way forever. So I am with Aron on this one _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ This comment was edited by Wolfwood on Apr 29 2005 08:21am. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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I believe that they should be allowed. The JA has always been based on respect. That was the reason I joined this place over 2 years ago, and that is why I have stayed as long as I have. There are not many gaming communities like this one, the JA is special. I think that if you have nothing constructive to post on a subject, then you should respect the person who made the thread and just ignore it. If you are unable to do so, then you should be given a warning and if it persists then banned, plain and simple. For example. If I was to make a post about Cats and the study behind the personalities of cats. And I specifically ask that all non-cat people please do not partake of the thread. Then a month down the road someone posts about dog behaviors and why they are smarter and better then cats. IMO that is disrespecting the wishes of the person who made that thread, and it will cause drama. The solution to this problem is so simple. If you have nothing construtive to add to the context of what the thread is about, then you shouldn't post. If you cant follow the simple reguests of the person making the threads, you dont belong in the JA. This is just my opinion so no one take offense. Drama is unwanted and not necessary here and its totally avoidable. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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I have a feeling that Religion is still gonna be discussed weather u ban them or not. One way or another at least. People should just understand that its all about opinion. General Statement not aimed at any single person: If you go into a religious thread for no other reason than to try and prove someone wrong or yourself right, then it's best you keep whatever you had to say to yourself. Should just be a place for opinions and respect. In my Opinion anyway. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Duffman - Student 
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I know it would be more work for those in charge, but this is my opinion - Any thread, regardless of topic, unless its content or topic is obviously offensive to a specific person/ethnic group/religion/ect, should be left open for discussion. If people arn't mature enough to handle the discussion, and it gets out of hand, then the leadership should step in. But as was previously stated, this comunity is quite diverse in many areas - nationality, religion, political feelings, age, and upbringing. So there will be tension, its the way the world works  We are all human and we all have our issues. _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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Jade Jedi - Retired 
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If they are removed then so is the temptation to leave any snide, spiteful, rude or derogatory remarks that may offend someone. There are plenty of other places on the net where you can discuss your religious thoughts with other like minded people with out offending others or being offended yourself. It is sad though, that people can not simply ignore a thread if they have no intrest in the topic, other than to anoy someone. _______________ *CLICKEH->Never risk the Fett Man|*Download my Saber here. Made by master craftsman Pink Floyd_Mintaka + his 2002 & 4000 comment's [Laz's 700th comment][BDKawika's 600th comment] & Owner of a TOWEL award!!|Master: Sared Padawans: Rage-Ball and Dante Eagle.|*Jade Jedi at The Jedi Academy Archives "There's only one Return and it's not of the King it's of the Jedi" Randal Clerks 2 The top 10 reasons why I procrastinate: 1. This comment was edited by Jade Jedi on Apr 29 2005 07:09am. |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
I say allow it. I'm not gonna go anywhere near them anyway, but it's really quite simple. If you don't have anything constructive or relevant to the topic, don't post. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade
Lag Brother to Acey Spadey 
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I don't think the people who discuss religious topics with civility should be punished for the sake of people who are too ignorant to tolerate the beliefs of others. Perhaps something against religious bigotry should be included in the rules instead? I'd hate to see it come to a ban of religious discussion. :/ |
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