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Balian - ex-Student |
It has been officially 27 days since i have not wiggled and 6 days now since i havent swayed. That is all I have to report from exploiters anonymous. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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Quote: No. Damn. Some people. This thread of both ignorance and arrogance has served it's purpose. - Virtue.  _______________ Academy Architect |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Quote: As for the present, well, there are 2 types of players for JK3... No. |
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Scythus Aratan - Student 
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Virtue add the category of those who play for fun. You don't have to "cheat" to enjoy the game, nor do you have to walk around, bowing whenever you fight someone, and pretending your a jedi. _______________ Padawan to the great Jacen Aratan! <Setementor> Scythus is a genius! Claimer of the 5000th post in the Count thread [Solitude] scy rocks [Casual] good point scythus, you're really smart |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I never said your facts about exploits aren't facts, I said "[something] is cheap" is an opinion. Your two categories of players are awfully black/white... there are the people that do care about "how low they have to stoop to [win]", but don't consider swaying/sens spinning immoral. You can easily be respectful, without thinking you're a bastard if you use aforementioned techniques... just like you can have skills, even if you do use these. It's not like you can just press W+MOUSE1 and it kills your opponent. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council
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As I have said, it's not (just) my opinion, I'm actually stating facts, and yes, I have the proof (said again just to spite Mike  ).Why havn't I typed it all up yet? Because I have enough stuff on my plate right now to worry about. I will write it all up with the evidence you require in time, but that'll be after I deal with all the stuff I'm working on right now. As for the present, well, there are 2 types of players for JK3; The Gamers: People who play to win via any means possible and don't care much for anything else or how low they have to stoop to ge it. The Jedi: People who realise that this series is based around Star Wars and more importantly - Jedi. People who play the game as it was intended. People who play to win, but in a respectful manner. Me? I would choose to win with honor and skill over cheapness and cheating any day. I am a Jedi. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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Quote: Actually, my opinion is that Raven would intend us to... I don't care about what Raven intends us to do. Programmers create a world with certain rules, and you're free to play within that world. The game physics are the only rules that count - the rest is up to us. This includes the swaying situation - it may be an exploit, but they didn't patch it, which means we're stuck with it and it's part of the virtual world we choose to play in. No amount of discussion is going to change that. Jeez, if I had a penny for every single time one JK3 player looked at the other and said 'that's not right' I'd be rich. But I don't, and I'm not. Instead of trying to impose a playing style on people, why don't you hop on the servers and convince them to change their ways by defeating them? Better playing styles are defined by who wins, not by your personal philosophy or moral viewpoint of a 'good clean fight'. I wish it were, but that's not the case. Some people choose to fight dirty - when you beat those people in your own way, on your own terms, that's a truly rewarding victory. Edit: Of course, Ozzcozz, I recognized the joke - I just thought it was phrased really well and decided to quote it to illustrate my point. Thanks!  This comment was edited by Kenyon on May 19 2005 03:49pm. |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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Actually, my opinion is that Raven would intend us to duel in a king-of-the-server type fashion on a duel server, where force may or may not be enabled. They would intend us to FFA on FFA server, have TFFAs for fun and competion on TFFA servers, and to play CTF with guns or sabers (whichever you wanted) on CTF servers while working as a team to capture the enemy flag. I also think they would like us to play power duel and siege every now and then. But hey, that's just my opinion. _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: Actually, i'm not really trying to present my opinion as fact. However, the "honourable duelers" side of the arguement seem to be the only side with some kind of basis on their opinion. I just wish Virtue would stop saying "FACT! PROOF! WANK!" and actually post what he showed me. "X is cheap" is always a matter of opinion, though, no matter what proof you may have. It's like saying "Y was an evil person", it just doesn't work. At least with duelling, you can choose who you want to fight. |
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cuz u r teh sux ozzah!11 Actually, i'm not really trying to present my opinion as fact. However, the "honourable duelers" side of the arguement seem to be the only side with some kind of basis on their opinion. I just wish Virtue would stop saying "FACT! PROOF! WANK!" and actually post what he showed me. Edit: By the way, I just want to point out I don't base this on "jk3 was meant to be played THIS way, not THAT way" because quite frankly, if we were playing it the way Raven wanted us to play it, we would be playing on basejk FFA servers. We'd have only one duel at a time, and no admins. Of course, exploiting and an admin mod are two totally different things, but i'm just illustrating WHY I don't use that arguement.  This comment was edited by  on May 19 2005 01:29pm. |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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Quote: Something definitely crawled up Ozzcozz's (sic) ass and died a horrific death. I read that, and I don't know why you keep saying it. I'll just keep giving my honest opinion, you can keep saying whatever it is you say. Being of a scientific mind, I am unlikely to change my mind until you show some actual proof. Like, say, actual references and excerpts from this source code you claim to have seen. Or maybe a written statement from the original game developers putting in clear terms what they're intentions for the game were, so we can see whether or not this is "how the game was meant to be played". Once again, opinion does not equal fact, unless of course you say it enough times and can force people to agree with you. _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Quote: Even though I know what you're talking about, and totally agree, why don't you just stop saying "I HAVE PROOF, I KNOW THE FACTS" and actually share them with everyone? It'd shut a whole load of people up. Agreed. I for one can get around it and I'm sure others can as well. I just think if you can't play the game without exploits, or win without exploits, then you should practice more. A lot of people in the JA are awsome duelist and don't use them. Now and then someone might slip up and sway a bit or spin not realizing it. Thats a given. I do it sometimes. But I'd rather duel someone thats gonna duel me for the sake of a good fight rather than just to exploit a win just for the sake of winning. I'll put it like this. I have no problem losing. I'm beat when I'm beat, but losing to an exploit...ohhhhhhhh  Some say "You should know how to get thru it." lol Thats when I say, "Well you should learn some skill so you don't need it!" I can exploit all day long and get loads of kills, wheres the fun in that? But all N all. Staff say no exploiting, as well as Students. So I think is safe to safe if ya wanna swing the spinning, woggling, poking, swaying....ect noobs sticks of death for the sake of all out slaughter.....Use the pubs _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Quote: facts = whatever a JAC says; just a quick fyi everyone Something definitely crawled up Ozzcozz's ass and died a horrific death. Quote: Oh god, not another one of these. I'mma give you guys some clarity here (YET AGAIN). Spinning, poking, wiggling and swaying are exploits of the game engine. And yes, I do have proof of this. And yes, they are cheap. I don't care of they are in the game or not, that's no excuse. I havn't read many other comments on this thread because frankly, I'm getting tired of seeing them. I just figured I'd (yet again) post the facts. - Virtue. Even though I know what you're talking about, and totally agree, why don't you just stop saying "I HAVE PROOF, I KNOW THE FACTS" and actually share them with everyone? It'd shut a whole load of people up. |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd
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facts = whatever a JAC says; just a quick fyi everyone _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: wasnt suposed to be this way it was a fun joke about how i stopped, and kainzoors went nuts!  Rawr :p I'm just grumpeh sometimes. <3 I agree with Masta though. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. This comment was edited by Kainz00r on May 19 2005 12:00pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: wasnt suposed to be this way it was a fun joke about how i stopped, and kainzoors went nuts! Yea i think its his fault too.I vote for an immediate ban. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Kenyon, LMAO man nice stuff! _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
wasnt suposed to be this way it was a fun joke about how i stopped, and kainzoors went nuts! _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. This comment was edited by Balian on May 19 2005 06:30am. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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Oh god, not another one of these. I'mma give you guys some clarity here (YET AGAIN). Spinning, poking, wiggling and swaying are exploits of the game engine. And yes, I do have proof of this. And yes, they are cheap. I don't care of they are in the game or not, that's no excuse. I havn't read many other comments on this thread because frankly, I'm getting tired of seeing them. I just figured I'd (yet again) post the facts. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Cartwheeling while doing a left swing which freezes the swing animation and still does damage IS an exploit.Like ive said, this game is covered with bugs and the vast majority isnt frowned upon at all. I can say for myself that ive been extremly successful with swaying against non-swayers.Im seriously questioning why its so frowned upon if you wont gain any advantages through swaying though. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Carve - Student 
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Haha, I have respect for any man who can quote The Mummy Returns and not sound like an idiot. Kudos! _______________ © |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
How is a carthwheel and exploit im pretty sure it was coded into the game. Sometimes you guys take ur exploits too far. Like that dude in "The Mummy Returns", "This is cursed, that is cursed everything is cursed!" hehe _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Carve - Student
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The velocity honestly doesn't matter if the saber isn't there. The benefit of swaying defense doesn't lie in the swing's power. The benefit is that, because of the sway, the lightsaber's initial swing makes contact before a non-swayer's swing (in the same way a turret rotates half as fast as a turret on another turret, as there are now two things contributing to its rotational speed). First hit means you're the one who got inside the other's defense. If you get the first hit, the swaying is nullified. Swaying is only good if you do it unexpectedly, and if you're hit with unexpected swings, you need practice. The only inherent bonus with swaying scissors is, as mentioned, the forward movement (which has its downfall as well in that it can make you walk right into a well-timed swing of your opponent's). Like I said, theory is one thing, but I've tested it, and I recommend you test it as well. It simply isn't any better. Edit: I will concede, however, that the opponent gets an advantage if their sensitivity is cranked up to something insane when they do their sways, this causing the lightsaber to be everywhere simultaneously. The swaying I see, however, does not do this and only creates greater openings in your guard. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on May 18 2005 11:46pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: Who will have the higher defense, someone with their saber in front of them at all times, or someone who spends as much time with their saber facing a random direction as the direction they're blocking from? The one whos saber travels at an extremly increased speed, thus having a higher velocity and beeing able to block much easier.It works the exact same way as red spins actually.If you spin right, your swing will be able to block any incoming attacks for the duration of it. Oh and 3th...you make a good point there.Although the "right delay side" only works with red and any other saber/stance is able to perform a delayed left swing.The "left cartwheel side" applies to all sabers/stances though...but even the cartwheels are actually exploits =/ _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 18 2005 10:55pm. |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
Well let me clear a few things up. First add 1 more day to how many days i have not exploited. 2nd I believe, Masta, that the reason the right side delays is because every model in JKA is RIGHT HANDED. There are no left handed duelists hence the strong right swing. 3rd. One person on JKA once said to me this... "A good player should be able to beat anyone of any caliber exploits or not." Which I believe to be true I believe that was Ninja! who said that. Anyways yeah im not surpised how much you hate me! Sorry to open a can of worms on the exploiting vs non exploiting. Oh yeah and 8 votes to 2 say i dont exploit anymore! _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. This comment was edited by Balian on May 18 2005 10:29pm. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: Strafe jumping doesn't kill your opponent, but it makes him 100% unable to keep up with you, so in CTF you could easily decimate opposition with it... yet it gets taught. Yes, but does faster movement all round (because lets face it, you pick it up through monkey see, monkey do eventually if not taught) ruin the game, compared to universal insta-kills? _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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