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It has been officially 27 days since i have not wiggled and 6 days now since i havent swayed. That is all I have to report from exploiters anonymous. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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From: The Dark Side Bureau of Really Bad Things To: All users of thejediacademy.net Subject: Exploits Loyal servant of the Empire, These are hard times for us. Not only have the Jedi firmly nested themselves on Yavin IV, they have also spawned an impressive range of merchandise, including video games. The Jedi Knight series in particular is bringing more people to the light side every day. But there is hope! An undercover agent has programmed intentional exploits in the usercode. Raven Software, the developers behind the latest installment also known as 'Jedi Academy', have completely missed these obvious errors in their extensive testing. The time of redemption is at hand! We at the Bureau of Really Bad Things want you, the reader, to make good use of these obvious exploits, which are in no way a by-product of intentional combat design but clearly cheats. Others tell you to stop swaying? Exploit their moralistic weakness! Do it anyway, and do it with a smile on your face, for this is the way of the dark side, and personally we think you're a really cool person for doing it anyway. Let them call you a cheater, and an exploiter! What do they know? They're just players. We put in the code especially for you. In fact, if they start accusing you of using these techniques, call their tiresome use of red combos or yellow scizzors exploiting! They're taking advantadge of the game's strongest moves consecutively yet forbid you to be a creative fighter? No way! Spread the word, apprentice. Be a man and stand up for what you believe in. Take back the power, and show those sissies what you're made of! Make us proud. Regards, Admiral Nathaniel Ewbie Chief Exploiter and Proud of It The Dark Side Bureau of Really Bad Things |
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Carve - Student 
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Quote: Ive gotta disagree with you on the matter of swaying though.In my opinion, swaying with yellow gives the player huge advantages as well.Swaying not only increases outgoing damage, but its also raising your own defense which results in a much higher possibility to block incoming attacks and decrease recieved damage. Oh and it makes you run automatically forward too (like with the advancing scissors). Again, it only makes a difference if the other guy's defense is way off. Given how many swayers there are in the Jedi Academy (as far as I've dueled, roughly 2/3 of the yellow users sway) I felt I would test non-swaying vs swaying myself. About 8/10 times in a swayer-vs-non-swayer battle, I would come out dealing both more hits and, accordingly, more damage in these encounters. And to be perfectly honest, the defense is not increased at all. Think about this logically: Who will have the higher defense, someone with their saber in front of them at all times, or someone who spends as much time with their saber facing a random direction as the direction they're blocking from? If you don't believe me, do an observed test, like me, as a non-swayer versus a swayer. Keeping your reticle on the opponent gives you more of an advantage than these "exploits." For clarification's sake, I speak from the vantage point of a former-swayer. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on May 18 2005 09:45pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
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Quote: Cheap because "you always had to chance not to"? You always had the chance to do it, and didn't take it, that doesn't make something cheap. If everybody used the thing, it wouldn't be considered unnatural or cheap, but some people object to something they could easily use... why? It's not like he just has to look at you, and you drop dead. It's not like it's a third-party program, is it? Strafe jump is one of the most famous bugs in gaming history, but nobody complains about that, despite the huge advantage it gives over runners. As true as that is, if we all followed that attitude... jk3 duels would become first hit = winner, cos we'd all be pro at poking. Fun? I agree with strafe jumping though, but it doesn't enhance the damage of your weapon to kill people in one hit now, does it? I know wiggling etc doesn't always kill in one hit... but when you play the pro players who use poking and the like, it almost always is an instant death, which is the level people would eventually reach. Strafe jumping doesn't kill your opponent, but it makes him 100% unable to keep up with you, so in CTF you could easily decimate opposition with it... yet it gets taught. |
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nice post Deq  i won't get too serious as i think this was supposed to be a fairly humorous post  but i thought i would respond to masta's comments: Quote: Actually, im pretty sure that the third swing in a delayed red combo is bugged also. Please note how you are able to perform a right-forward swing as a 3rd swing in a combo in which it doesnt matter what the first 2 swings were. For example: left, left-forward, (delay) right-forward left-backwards, left-backwards, (delay) right-forward forward, left-forward, (delay) right-forward Its even possible to do 3 right-forward swings in 1 red combo. Also, i think its strange that delays dont work with left swings...but its really strange that you are able to delay the left swing with any other saber/stance besides red (and only the 2nd left swing in a combo).You are able to delay all right swings with red though =/ it basically comes down to the right side being the "delay side" and the left side is the "cartwheel side." from my experience it seems to make a lot of sense actually. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Yeah, im saying its cheap too.Ive gotta be some sort of exception because im actually doing really good against pokers too.How well im doing against them doesnt change my opinion about their way of playing though. From my experience, its really rare to encounter REAL pokers on BWN.There are a few exceptions like this sir here, whom i know from playing in the ESL.Besides him...i wasnt lucky enough to meet any other registered pokers on BWN. If you want to play against pokers then ill recommend joining an european duel server. Ive gotta disagree with you on the matter of swaying though.In my opinion, swaying with yellow gives the player huge advantages as well.Swaying not only increases outgoing damage, but its also raising your own defense which results in a much higher possibility to block incoming attacks and decrease recieved damage. Oh and it makes you run automatically forward too (like with the advancing scissors). _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 18 2005 08:38pm. |
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Carve - Student
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Maybe it is a civilized discussion, but it's a civilized discussion with no point. We all know some people agree it's cheap and some people don't. Personally, I think it's just like any other exploit, and that people who think it's cheap are typically those who have a hard time beating it. Maybe I've only encountered people who are bad at it (I duel at BWN), but I've never had a particularly hard time against these people. Swaying with scissors doesn't give any advantage unless the person's guard is completely down (i.e. not in a duel), and "poking" (which I have laughably been accused of) versus standard red swings both have their pros and cons. So I don't complain about it. And I think people who do complain about it should realize it's a game. Don't like it? Don't duel that person. Or even better, beat them down anyways and likely frustrate the hell out of them (given that the swayer/poker types are "MUST WIN!!!11" people). I agree with Mike: the discussion goes in endless circles. It's just a matter of perspective. I'm not saying you must stop talking about it because, hey, I'm no JAC. I just don't get why these things always come up. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on May 18 2005 07:44pm. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Yeah...Some stature on what is what is not harmful I think. And it's a civilised discusion. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Ok, let's all beleive insta-killing with poking is not cheap, and become pro's with it :p _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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CuZzA - Student 
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wierd...lol _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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Christ, here we go! Use what you want to use. Don't use what you believe is cheap. END OF STORY. It's not even worth debating, in my opinion. :/ |
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Hardwired - Retired
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Quote: Actually, im pretty sure that the third swing in a delayed red combo is bugged also. Please note how you are able to perform a right-forward swing as a 3rd swing in a combo in which it doesnt matter what the first 2 swings were. For example: left, left-forward, (delay) right-forward left-backwards, left-backwards, (delay) right-forward forward, left-forward, (delay) right-forward Its even possible to do 3 right-forward swings in 1 red combo. Also, i think its strange that delays dont work with left swings...but its really strange that you are able to delay the left swing with any other saber/stance besides red (and only the 2nd left swing in a combo).You are able to delay all right swings with red though =/ All valid points in my opinion. However, red delayed swings of that kind were also a part of red in JK2. With that it would lead me to belive that it was intentinal. The rule of the 3:d swing having to be connected to the prevouis one..and diffrent is not without it's exceptions. This would not be the first case of this. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Actually, im pretty sure that the third swing in a delayed red combo is bugged also. Please note how you are able to perform a right-forward swing as a 3rd swing in a combo in which it doesnt matter what the first 2 swings were. For example: left, left-forward, (delay) right-forward left-backwards, left-backwards, (delay) right-forward forward, left-forward, (delay) right-forward Its even possible to do 3 right-forward swings in 1 red combo. Also, i think its strange that delays dont work with left swings...but its really strange that you are able to delay the left swing with any other saber/stance besides red (and only the 2nd left swing in a combo).You are able to delay all right swings with red though =/ _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: Cheap because "you always had to chance not to"? You always had the chance to do it, and didn't take it, that doesn't make something cheap. If everybody used the thing, it wouldn't be considered unnatural or cheap, but some people object to something they could easily use... why? It's not like he just has to look at you, and you drop dead. It's not like it's a third-party program, is it? Strafe jump is one of the most famous bugs in gaming history, but nobody complains about that, despite the huge advantage it gives over runners. As true as that is, if we all followed that attitude... jk3 duels would become first hit = winner, cos we'd all be pro at poking. Fun? I agree with strafe jumping though, but it doesn't enhance the damage of your weapon to kill people in one hit now, does it? I know wiggling etc doesn't always kill in one hit... but when you play the pro players who use poking and the like, it almost always is an instant death, which is the level people would eventually reach. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. This comment was edited by Kainz00r on May 18 2005 05:23pm. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Quote: nono Hardwired i believe they mean using an animation bug such as that when you perform a "cross" jump while performing a swing. Or at least thats how i read it That I agree with. It's a graphics bug cause to making the swing with poor timing. And it's most likely just a miss in the programing of the move. No argument on that. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: It's not an evolvment. It is cheap, especially if you depend on it for victories over people who don't. You always had the chance not to... you can cope just fine without it, and actually feel like you've achieved something when you best people in combat who use such tactics. It's desperation... it's just sad. It's used by people who don't give a damn how they get their wins... they just want to win. Very narrowminded, in my opinion. Cheap because "you always had to chance not to"? You always had the chance to do it, and didn't take it, that doesn't make something cheap. If everybody used the thing, it wouldn't be considered unnatural or cheap, but some people object to something they could easily use... why? It's not like he just has to look at you, and you drop dead. It's not like it's a third-party program, is it? Strafe jump is one of the most famous bugs in gaming history, but nobody complains about that, despite the huge advantage it gives over runners. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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nono Hardwired i believe they mean using an animation bug such as that when you perform a "cross" jump while performing a swing. Or at least thats how i read it _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Hardwired - Retired
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I take it that by delayed swing you mean like..say..the third swing in a right-right-forwardright combo? And if so, what determins that to be an expliot and/or bugg? - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Ive gotta totally agree with Kain on this one. As we all know though, the game is covered with bugs.Even the usual red right swing delays ARE exploits (as well as strafe jumps). The difference between these bugs is how much of an advantage the player gains by using them.Using exploits like poking or swaying gives the player a really huge advantage over other players, whilst strafe jumping in duels or delaying the right red swing makes the player only slightly advantageous over his opponent. Although all of it is considered bug-using, the vast majority of these exploits arent frowned upon at all. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 18 2005 01:33pm. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight
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It's not an evolvment. It is cheap, especially if you depend on it for victories over people who don't. You always had the chance not to... you can cope just fine without it, and actually feel like you've achieved something when you best people in combat who use such tactics. It's desperation... it's just sad. It's used by people who don't give a damn how they get their wins... they just want to win. Very narrowminded, in my opinion. Ah but well, they're never going to change their minds. So i'm going to continue my silent protest which is to simply not use them. Oh, and as for the "drift jump" which allows you to delay animation on a swing... yeah, I use that. So some people may consider me a glitcher. I'm a glitcher then, but ask yourself this: Would you rather I poked and insta killed you? Or used a tactic to better time my hit? _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
This game has a flaw nuh uh. LIES. Im still hated. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Yea, hate the game because of players who exploit it. I agree though, its your own choice how you want to play...as much as its my choice how i feel about certain ways of playing this game. Anyhow, im still really looking forward to Virtues huge in-depth analysis about the games flawed velocity system. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
Ive never considered wiggle or sway cheap actually cause anyone can do it. Its just a persons choice. a.k.a. exploiting. I consider it evovling with the game. If you dont want those features complain to the programmers. But I always say, dont hate the player hate the game. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight
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Congratulations on your first number of duels you decided not to be cheap in, then. Well done? _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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W00t! |
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Khâ D'Kana - Student 
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Quote: I am hated, Tears. What's amazing is that if you replaced the poll question about hate by love. You will have probably the same people whom voted hate choosing love  -Khâ D'Kana PS- next time don't forget the option Smily rules _______________ In light of day, nor dark of night, no evil shall escape our sight. Proud member of the D'Kana family |
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