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Balian - ex-Student |
It has been officially 27 days since i have not wiggled and 6 days now since i havent swayed. That is all I have to report from exploiters anonymous. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Carve - Student 
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Maybe it is a civilized discussion, but it's a civilized discussion with no point. We all know some people agree it's cheap and some people don't. Personally, I think it's just like any other exploit, and that people who think it's cheap are typically those who have a hard time beating it. Maybe I've only encountered people who are bad at it (I duel at BWN), but I've never had a particularly hard time against these people. Swaying with scissors doesn't give any advantage unless the person's guard is completely down (i.e. not in a duel), and "poking" (which I have laughably been accused of) versus standard red swings both have their pros and cons. So I don't complain about it. And I think people who do complain about it should realize it's a game. Don't like it? Don't duel that person. Or even better, beat them down anyways and likely frustrate the hell out of them (given that the swayer/poker types are "MUST WIN!!!11" people). I agree with Mike: the discussion goes in endless circles. It's just a matter of perspective. I'm not saying you must stop talking about it because, hey, I'm no JAC. I just don't get why these things always come up. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on May 18 2005 07:44pm. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Yeah...Some stature on what is what is not harmful I think. And it's a civilised discusion. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Ok, let's all beleive insta-killing with poking is not cheap, and become pro's with it :p _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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CuZzA - Student 
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wierd...lol _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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Christ, here we go! Use what you want to use. Don't use what you believe is cheap. END OF STORY. It's not even worth debating, in my opinion. :/ |
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Hardwired - Retired
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Quote: Actually, im pretty sure that the third swing in a delayed red combo is bugged also. Please note how you are able to perform a right-forward swing as a 3rd swing in a combo in which it doesnt matter what the first 2 swings were. For example: left, left-forward, (delay) right-forward left-backwards, left-backwards, (delay) right-forward forward, left-forward, (delay) right-forward Its even possible to do 3 right-forward swings in 1 red combo. Also, i think its strange that delays dont work with left swings...but its really strange that you are able to delay the left swing with any other saber/stance besides red (and only the 2nd left swing in a combo).You are able to delay all right swings with red though =/ All valid points in my opinion. However, red delayed swings of that kind were also a part of red in JK2. With that it would lead me to belive that it was intentinal. The rule of the 3:d swing having to be connected to the prevouis one..and diffrent is not without it's exceptions. This would not be the first case of this. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Actually, im pretty sure that the third swing in a delayed red combo is bugged also. Please note how you are able to perform a right-forward swing as a 3rd swing in a combo in which it doesnt matter what the first 2 swings were. For example: left, left-forward, (delay) right-forward left-backwards, left-backwards, (delay) right-forward forward, left-forward, (delay) right-forward Its even possible to do 3 right-forward swings in 1 red combo. Also, i think its strange that delays dont work with left swings...but its really strange that you are able to delay the left swing with any other saber/stance besides red (and only the 2nd left swing in a combo).You are able to delay all right swings with red though =/ _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: Cheap because "you always had to chance not to"? You always had the chance to do it, and didn't take it, that doesn't make something cheap. If everybody used the thing, it wouldn't be considered unnatural or cheap, but some people object to something they could easily use... why? It's not like he just has to look at you, and you drop dead. It's not like it's a third-party program, is it? Strafe jump is one of the most famous bugs in gaming history, but nobody complains about that, despite the huge advantage it gives over runners. As true as that is, if we all followed that attitude... jk3 duels would become first hit = winner, cos we'd all be pro at poking. Fun? I agree with strafe jumping though, but it doesn't enhance the damage of your weapon to kill people in one hit now, does it? I know wiggling etc doesn't always kill in one hit... but when you play the pro players who use poking and the like, it almost always is an instant death, which is the level people would eventually reach. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. This comment was edited by Kainz00r on May 18 2005 05:23pm. |
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Hardwired - Retired 
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Quote: nono Hardwired i believe they mean using an animation bug such as that when you perform a "cross" jump while performing a swing. Or at least thats how i read it  That I agree with. It's a graphics bug cause to making the swing with poor timing. And it's most likely just a miss in the programing of the move. No argument on that. - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: It's not an evolvment. It is cheap, especially if you depend on it for victories over people who don't. You always had the chance not to... you can cope just fine without it, and actually feel like you've achieved something when you best people in combat who use such tactics. It's desperation... it's just sad. It's used by people who don't give a damn how they get their wins... they just want to win. Very narrowminded, in my opinion. Cheap because "you always had to chance not to"? You always had the chance to do it, and didn't take it, that doesn't make something cheap. If everybody used the thing, it wouldn't be considered unnatural or cheap, but some people object to something they could easily use... why? It's not like he just has to look at you, and you drop dead. It's not like it's a third-party program, is it? Strafe jump is one of the most famous bugs in gaming history, but nobody complains about that, despite the huge advantage it gives over runners. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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nono Hardwired i believe they mean using an animation bug such as that when you perform a "cross" jump while performing a swing. Or at least thats how i read it _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Hardwired - Retired
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I take it that by delayed swing you mean like..say..the third swing in a right-right-forwardright combo? And if so, what determins that to be an expliot and/or bugg? - HW _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Ive gotta totally agree with Kain on this one. As we all know though, the game is covered with bugs.Even the usual red right swing delays ARE exploits (as well as strafe jumps). The difference between these bugs is how much of an advantage the player gains by using them.Using exploits like poking or swaying gives the player a really huge advantage over other players, whilst strafe jumping in duels or delaying the right red swing makes the player only slightly advantageous over his opponent. Although all of it is considered bug-using, the vast majority of these exploits arent frowned upon at all. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 18 2005 01:33pm. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight
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It's not an evolvment. It is cheap, especially if you depend on it for victories over people who don't. You always had the chance not to... you can cope just fine without it, and actually feel like you've achieved something when you best people in combat who use such tactics. It's desperation... it's just sad. It's used by people who don't give a damn how they get their wins... they just want to win. Very narrowminded, in my opinion. Ah but well, they're never going to change their minds. So i'm going to continue my silent protest which is to simply not use them. Oh, and as for the "drift jump" which allows you to delay animation on a swing... yeah, I use that. So some people may consider me a glitcher. I'm a glitcher then, but ask yourself this: Would you rather I poked and insta killed you? Or used a tactic to better time my hit? _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
This game has a flaw nuh uh. LIES. Im still hated. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Yea, hate the game because of players who exploit it. I agree though, its your own choice how you want to play...as much as its my choice how i feel about certain ways of playing this game. Anyhow, im still really looking forward to Virtues huge in-depth analysis about the games flawed velocity system. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
Ive never considered wiggle or sway cheap actually cause anyone can do it. Its just a persons choice. a.k.a. exploiting. I consider it evovling with the game. If you dont want those features complain to the programmers. But I always say, dont hate the player hate the game. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight
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Congratulations on your first number of duels you decided not to be cheap in, then. Well done? _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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W00t! |
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Khâ D'Kana - Student 
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Quote: I am hated, Tears. What's amazing is that if you replaced the poll question about hate by love. You will have probably the same people whom voted hate choosing love  -Khâ D'Kana PS- next time don't forget the option Smily rules  _______________ In light of day, nor dark of night, no evil shall escape our sight. Proud member of the D'Kana family |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
I am hated, Tears. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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NICE JOB! YAY FOR YOU! _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
Recipient of comment no. 1000 and heart-warming words from Ataris!
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Ooh awesome developement sir.Keep it that way =P _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Khâ D'Kana - Student
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GG But I can't answer your poll as I've not played often with you -Khâ D'Kana _______________ In light of day, nor dark of night, no evil shall escape our sight. Proud member of the D'Kana family |
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thx 4 sharen ^_____^ |
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