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Jake Kainite - Student  |
First off, as I said no flaming please, or the thread will just be closed down. This is just for your personal opinions of 'exploits' and I really just want a clarification of the rules. My opinion: Basically if you can do it, I don't consider it wrong. This includes scripting (yes I know its against JA rules, doesn't make it wrong though  )What is the JA's standing on exploits? I read in a the intagib thread about strafe jumping being an exploit, which I spose technically is very true. However what about things such as throw pulling, swaying (or whatever it was). _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side |
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Aron - Retired 
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Thread bans: None yet. Let's keep it that way! |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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I hereby vote for Kains immediate ban. ...although i second his opinions. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Ask him not to be so arrogant ;p _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Come on guys, keep it civil. No need for namecalling _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight
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Talion, your such a fool. Get a friend of yours, join the saber ladder 2on2 division found at www.esl-europe.net , challenge *aiming, get owned by pokes (you will, I know you will, it is... inevitable) and then come tell us all "tough ****". kthx _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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monkai - Student |
ooo *aiming. I midaired one of them in CTF a while long time ago ! |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Talion talks about doing 1/2 or 1/4 spins whilst stopping the 1/4 spin in the moment you see your opponent infront of you...or even a bit later. Theres nearly no difference to spins if you dont stop the mouse movement right in the moment you see your opponent infront of you. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 23 2005 11:46pm. |
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3th - Retired 
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Quote: The hidden swing is called the GLIDE and HIDE!!!! that is all <3 or the "glide delay" which imo is not a major exploit because it broadcasts itself so clearly, you see someone glide jump? then start to swing in the air? well guess what's coming?!?! pretty funny to fight people that rely on them heavily. they get pissed that you back away from them then attack them on your own terms Quote: red sway ? what you mean by this? sounds kinda like a poke to me, but i don't know what you mean, so i shouldn't judge yet _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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YA Tal, so true. Simple fix to duelin an exploiter...don't duel em! They soon get mad and leave or learn how to play w/o em. While u go on and duel someone else. So...lets all hug! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Hey...........Who's hand is that?????  _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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-sigh- as been said the community will move on, people exploit, tough **** tbh . sum1 will soon find a way to stop spinning /poking (red sway <3) _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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/me holds back flame.... er.. uh, right.... if you can do it, it aint exploiting, IMHO.... -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
The hidden swing is called the GLIDE and HIDE!!!! that is all <3 _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Quote: DELAY MONKEY'S- These guys aren't so bad, and are easier to get around then the others. Their just annoying as hell. I'm curious to know what you mean by this. Since I often use delayed combos in red stance and don't think it has anything to do with xploits. HEHE not those kinda delays Rosered. I'm a red user and ALL about wut ur described. I mean the kind of delay when a player jumps then attacks halfway thru the jump. When they hit the ground, their swing "freezes" a second then continues. Again sometimes it happens by accident. But people who Spam it are more annoying than a problem to beat. Since The JA is a place of learning and a place to teach. Maybe we could put together some classes on how to get around exploits. It would be cool too have our name around the pubs as duelist who can attack w/o usin and defend against exploits. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Quote: Yes n00b, as soon as we find a very effective way of beating these exploits, the community is going to change once again. red sway! _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Carve - Student 
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In a way, I agree with n00b. The JK community is, and always has been, about finding new techniques, strategies, and even "exploits." Anybody who has been around for a while knows that things happen in fads. Certain stances gain popularity. Certain moves go from being an endangered species to an everday (and sometimes everyduel) occurance. Then they fade away when something new comes around. This is how it's always been. Now while I think that there is a chance to advance in embracing and understanding the theories behind exploits, I also think it's quite possible that we'll end up with an entire community spamming one-hit kills and we'll never advance beyond that. Is that what we're really looking for in the Academy? I think it's a shame that we can't "rank" students because, if we could, we would be able to teach the more mature ones about exploits knowing that they will be learned, but not used. Thus, we gain knowledge without having to resort to these tactics (similar to how the histories of the Dark Side are not taught until a student is assuredly on the Light path). I believe teaching a budding student about exploits will lead to a lot of exploiters and little understanding. _______________ © |
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Rosie - Student 
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Quote: People will always use exploits no matter what. In my opinion we should put all the effort and time we put into discussing weither they are relevant or not, into training ourselves how to counter them. But then again, that is just my opinion Hear hear!! |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Yea it shouldnt be called a delay, but ppl call it a delay beacuse it actually "delays" your swing. Same goes for "poking" and "wiggling". What everyone knows as "wiggling" is actually named "poking".The technique who some ppl refer to as "poking" because you literally "poke" someone, is yet to be named. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Wolfwood - Student
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People will always use exploits no matter what. In my opinion we should put all the effort and time we put into discussing weither they are relevant or not, into training ourselves how to counter them. But then again, that is just my opinion _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
haha i know know! *raises hand*. Also i forgot one exploit someoen called it Delay but delays are just waiting stalling a swing what i think they meant was the hiden glide swing. which hides the first half or your swing but you dont see it and it still hits you. that is all. its not called a delay delays are something else _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Yes n00b, as soon as we find a very effective way of beating these exploits, the community is going to change once again. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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n00b - Student 
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This is an extremely relevant topic because I don't even go an hour of playing before someone claims "exploit" after the duel they are in. I really really really think that we should stop comparing this game to JK2, turning every new move discovery in JK3 into an exploit. People say an exploit is something the developers did not intend. If they didn't intend it, where's the patch? JK2 had DFAs that actually work. This game has uber moves. In my opinion, it enriches the experience to kill and be killed by moves that are plentiful in comparison to the handful of DFA moves from JK2. I wish we would stop ignoring it and move on. Sauce hits the nail right on the head. If you can't counter, move out of they way when you see the "exploit" move coming. You don't have to get caught up in it. If we continue to ignore the exploits and not educate people on what they are, they won't ever see them coming in a duel. Avoiding means you have to predict. How can one predict something that one is unaware of? If we want good duellers on the publics, we need to show people what to watch out for. When everyone gets the knowledge, who knows, we may see an uprising of counter moves that takes the game another notch into the future. Exploits are a topic that everyone needs to understand so they can help negate them, in other words. Its like the staff BF as someone else pointed out. Once you know you can just merely jump out of the way, it becomes a stupid move for your opponent to do. I think that's why its not spammed as much as it was before. It rarely hits. The same will happen with these "exploit" moves as soon as the community is taught to recognize them. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Most people associate exploiters with high sensitivity. Mine is at 24.75 which is within the range of the bar under controls. The reason for this is I play all my FPS at high sens cause I want to be able to rturn around and shoot someoen in the face. I think its wrong when you go beyond that bar which I think maxes at 40 so.... just as an fyi, that number is fairly meaningless. actualy sensitivity depends heavily on the resolution of the mouse sensor. A mouse with a high res will need a lower in game sens that a mouse with a low res to achieve the same effects. I use a sens on 50 and a cl_mouseaccel of 2 as i currently am using a cheap mouse which i got for £5. with my old mouse ( a razor booemrslang which eventually broke  ) i had my sens at around 10-15._______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Balian - Ex-Student |
ok time for my 2 cents. First off lets get a lil definitions straight. Exploits Wiggle- Moving your mouse left and right spastically to increase you sabers area to do more damage. Spin- moving your mouse to the right or left constantly to make your saber move 360 degrees or more to do more damage or block swings when u've screwed up or are getting hit(i am against spinning over the rest) Poking- poking is tricky because some people think it is just extending. Poking is using the extension of a red swing but wiggling it back and forth from left to right. In essence its an extension plus wiggle. If you do this on a wall there will be 5 or 6 saber lines in a really small spot doing heavy damage. This is increases your damage abillity and your defence. Non- Exploits- As stated earlier gradius said backfliping with overhead was exploit. Now it is if you intend to do it for the damage but I myself backflip with swings to avoid enemy swings so you can possibly say im accidentally exploiting but Im just getting away from the hot laser thing.  Extending- is turning your mouse to point at your oppenent so your not left to open yet your not invincible like poking. This is not an exploit because it is no different then turning your mouse with scissor to face ur opponent. Face it no one here fights like this [swing walk forward missoppenent] swing walk forward miss opponent] you see my point. Id like to clear something up too. Most people associate exploiters with high sensitivity. Mine is at 24.75 which is within the range of the bar under controls. The reason for this is I play all my FPS at high sens cause I want to be able to rturn around and shoot someoen in the face. I think its wrong when you go beyond that bar which I think maxes at 40 so.... As for the debate you can say exploits werent and arent meant in any game. That doesnt mean peopel still wont do them. You can also say that exploits werent meant to leave either because have you seen a patch? But as far as trying to beat an exploiter go find Master SiNiStaR on BWN. He doesnt exploit at all and loses very little. He always used to yell at me for it and that is why I quit, lol. But If your a good player you can beat anything that someone throws at you exploits or not. _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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If we all followed that mind set, the JA would be filled with master-pokers now, who if hit you in a duel would kill you instantly. Would kill the game for me. Guess no one could complain about how "THAT HIT DID SOOO MUCH MORE THAN IT SHOULD" however, only bonus. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Well I always thought it was just teaching and learning, seems silly to limit the knowledge just cos: "some people consider the path to abilities obtained by exploits...to be....Unanatural" I know that the few classes I held were ALL about exploits and stuff in JKII (walla gliding, throw pulling etc) simply cos everyone else refused to teach them. I just feel that use them or hate them, everyone has a duty to know about them and to become a JA master you really need to know everything and be able to do everything Another point, the best way to counter something is to learn it and understand how it works. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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