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Current status posted by Ruuk on 17 March:
"NAME OF THE PROJECT: Since we have not (yet) come up with an official name, I'd like to just use the term Project - with a capital P. Easy to type, and doesn't offend anyone's ideas of what it should be called (yet). We will figure out what it's going to be called a little later, and will put out a separate posting with example names asking for either a vote or suggestion of other names. I'm not going to tell you what we've thought of right now, b/c I don't want this thread to start going into who likes what. We'll get into that later peeps! INTERESTED PARTIES: Those of you who are interested in actively helping out, contact MoS directly thru e-mail, and he can get you up to date with where we're at, how things are starting to get structured, etc. underhill...suggestion... see if you can selectively compress all the e-mails and IM's that we've been throwing back and forth, and see if you can put together a "package" that has most of the current thoughts on group structure, process, etc. If we do this, it would make it a lot easier to explain to new people coming on board. They can instantly get a feel of how things are going and how it's structured without us having to go through the whole discussion again with them. (e.g., you're talk with Bubu, MoS. Don't have peeps misunderstand what we're doing, or need to contact me directly to ask very general questions.) MoS, I prolly don't need to ask you this, but please send me the names and e-mail addresses of everybody that contacts you so I can add them to my cc: list. FORUM: I am going to ask DJ if he'll allow us to have our own forum on the JA Forums Page. We can have separate threads in there corresponding to the different parts of the Project. Aeth, you haven't told me yet if you think this is acceptable. MEETING: MoS, if you want me to organize a meeting, that's fine. Does everyone have access to hotmail? The current core group has been discussing things on hotmail IM and e-mail. I have a GIS project due this week, so I'm not going to be able to much during the evenings (-5... USA EST). Perhaps we can do something the weekend? Maybe around 12 noon EST? Let me know. OFFICIAL/UNOFFICIAL PARTS OF THE PROJECT: Just to fill some of you guys in right here so you aren't confused. This Project will be part of the JA website, but prolly on a separate server (which we'll deal with later...don't worry DJ). The Project may be similar to the Microsoft Knowledge Base. You type in a query on what you want to learn about, and the database will pop up the corresponding info. Aeth has suggested we break the Project into two parts. One would be the "Official" JA section, that would have sections written by seasoned individuals, edited, checked and critiqued by experts at JA, and then uploaded. The "Unofficial" part will be where any member of the JA can contribute their ideas of certain aspects of the game/JA. It will be moderated by some of the Project members, and edited for content. I personally think this section would be an excellent area from which Project members could then select and draw ideas and update/revise the Official section. Each contributer's idea, if used in the Official part, could be footnoted with their name as a way of saying thanks. PERSONALS: Aeth - Have you taken a look at the old handbook (recently edited by underhill)? This thing should help provide us with the initial Project structure, and hence, doling out work to people. Check it out and let me know what you think needs to be added/modified. Jake - Glad to see that you're continuing to work on the Force section. Keep it up. And yes, make sure you send it to underhill first for editing before the rest of us take a look at it. After that, it will get sent up the chain to some of the JA Force experts for review. Aeth is right, tho. We don't need to worry about the website stuff yet. btw...I have your e-mail punched in, so you should be getting the cc: messages now. fiZZ - Short guide...oh, ok, I think I understand. Let me know what you think, but I'm not sure this is necessary. When the Project is finally uploaded, people could just cut and paste Project text into Word and make their own personal printout guide on whatever certain parts they want to work on. Haemon - Let MoS send you the old handbook structure (as long Aeth thinks this preliminary structure is ok), and pick and choose what you'd be interested in expanding on. MoS, please keep a list of who is writing on what, and forward to me when you get a chance. Haemon, once underhill gets that edited Project pamphlet together, you'll see the Project Group structure, and where you need to send your write ups (well, to underhill for editing). FINAL THOUGHTS: Looks like we're starting to get some people interested in this Project. I - we - appreciate you're willingness to help. The ideas for this thing are grand indeed, but as Aeth said in a previous e-mail, we gotta start small. But wait till you see what it looks like when we get finished...w00t! Anybody have any questions, let me know at gisjedi@hotmail.com. -rh " _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 This post was edited by Aeth S'kray on Mar 18 2003 11:29am. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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you crazy cats have your own forum now... aeth, i'm putting you in charge!
http://academy.jediknightii.net/forum_topics_detail_page.php?f_id=11 _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me This comment was edited by doobie on Mar 27 2003 12:40am. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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GMT+1 here aswell
err, is it really a good idea to start writing before we even agreed on WHAT we want to have in? lol to website, thats quite far away. and i think this would be most DJ's job, the site should be as close to the JA as possible, shouldnt it? so i'd say lets have the same layout etc like the main JA site, just give it a link or whatever. a meeting would be defenitly helpfull, or at least an own forum. _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Cyb - Student 
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W00000T... that's what I call a big project... but allso a very good idea (I thought of doing such a thing myself allready for some time but never started  )... Anyway I have much respect for ppl who want to lead this and actually succeed (hope u do  )... as for me, I don't think u guys know me (besides Aeth and Fizz), but I played jk2 quite much (not in JA but in lamm (=just a humble but very cool clan)) and I might wanna help if that's ok with u guys (hope it is coz it would be cool if I can be a part of such a project), well.. I'm not going to make very big manuals n stuff but I think I still have something which can be useful, and if u guys need any specific help then I'll be there too... that is if I have enough time, so I'm not sure BUT I will certainly keep myself up-to-date about this coz it's (like I said) a very good idea... KEEP THE GOOD WORK GOING MATES!!
ow yeah btw took long reading all this stuff ... but I'm in GMT+1 too Fizz.. duh
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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sounds all good, so far.
I am quite flexible re: time as well. btw what timezone are most participants in ? GMT+1 here. and: I think we should as well do a short guide that just features the most important topics as a sort of printout-version or so - for those who are in need. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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We gotta organize a meeting sometime when we can all attend (might be tricky but I'm flexible)to discuss whose doing what. One person should do all the setup issues like the website and how its going to appear and stuff, and the rest of us should probably get cracking on the information and content.
Quite a lot to do, when I've finished my force powers section I'll send a copy to each of you, then let me know if theres any mistakes or changes to be made, and then i'll start putting the tacrics and strategies in. Thought it best to take it one step at a time like that. I'm on 7 pages so far and I've only gone into detail on Jump and push _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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B-Billy - RL. Yeah, I know what you mean. Messes up all our online work and play... sucks.
Bubu - Great, thanks! We need as many experienced and highly qualified people on here as we can get. MoS has kept me updated RE: your proposed work, and it sounds like a good idea. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Actually, my little project is taking a little longer than expected. I think this project would be all done if not for RL!
_______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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well, u better get ur head down on the pillow right now, or I'm gonna teach u a lesson.... err.....uhm....er.... Master.
_______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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err.. by the way, mos emailed me and i think i'm in this too
although i don't have much time to read everything right now (it's 2 am and i got school), i think it's a great idea and i'll get back to ya with some ideas later on
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Aeth- check your e-mail. I've explained a few things, but I think I see where you're coming from and am more than willing to defer to your experience and judgement. And you're right, all projects start somewhere...and at first they're always small. Very good point.
Jake- Whoa, there! Don't put me up on that thing...I'm scared of heights. I'm just a coordinator...that's all.
fiZZ- No problem. If you can add a few posts here and there with your ideas, that'd be all we could possibly ask for. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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We could totally Star Wars th whole thing up, and instead of comitee call it knowledge project senate With Ruuk as supreme chancellor (sorry, had an RPG moment there, won't happen again......)
By hotmail IM i'm assuming you mean MSN messenger ? I've got that, add me if you can Nie_uk@Hotmail.com (don't ask me why I chose that as an e-mail) Yes I did get MOS's e-mail, just read it. You really shouldn't say tuff like that about Ruuk though MOS !!!(he he just kidding, trying to get him in trouble) The force power section is taking slightly longet than expected but should be finished within 2 days if nothing else comes up. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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sorry dudes, I wont read all that stuff now. but kep it going. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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yeah... but may i add every big project starts small? dont do too much or you wont get anything
oh and personaly i dont like the word comittee check your mail about that, lol _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Jake, MoS should be contacting you shortly (if he hasn't already) to get you up to date with what's going on. Him, underhill, and I bumped into each other on hotmail IM, and had an accidental Committee meeting. I explained a lot of things (more than I showed below, believe it or not) which makes the committee idea more understandible.
This is going to be a huge project, Jake. Maybe bigger than you first thought. And if we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it right. And the only way to work on a project this big is to do it through committee. Anyway, MoS will fill you in. You wanna research and write? Good. Then that's what you'll be doing. ("Are you afraid? You will be. You...will...be."
E-mail me for further info @ gisjedi@hotmail.com. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... This comment was edited by Ruuk Haviser on Mar 16 2003 09:58am. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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With all the qualifications you posted somewhere, was it here ? bout your experience with organizing documents and stuff, you sound like you know what you're doing, so your head is safe for now
Basically all I wanna do is compile information, thats what I love doing. Its kind of an effort to start typing it all, knowing how mush I have to do, but once I start I'm all right. Nearly finished the force section (only a brief, just got what they are, what they do, how much they cost, how much force they use) havn't put in tactics and strategy yet. Luke said he'd help out with the yellow stance section when I screamed like a girl so when we need him I'll do that 
You are kinda making this sound well big though with all the commitee and stuff and sub comitee. Thought it was jsut a small team compiling this thing with outsside input when required, ah well you know best I guess. I do have extensive knowledge of the game but rest assured I'm not using my own views and opinions alone. Theres alot of guides out there, strategy guides and the like. I've read them all (all I could find anyway) and I'm going back and reading over them again as well as using them for reference when doing the hardcore knowledge/information bit just to check i'm not being biased.
If we all have IRC then we can set up our own channel for a meeting (we could even keep it, get a bot and make it permanent till we got a site or something) Now, force grip............. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Great, Aeth. Thanks. Haven't recieved your e-mail yet, but I'll keep checking. A "to-do" list is perfect. Can anyone add to the list Aeth has already made? Once we get this Committee up and running, this list will provide us with a direction to proceed.
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Aeth S'kray - Retired
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I'm fine with that. We need somebody (or severalbody ) to push things forward a bit. Reagrding my part, check your mail
Maybe set up a "to do"-list? I'd say: -build up structure (content, jobs, etc) -fill out jobs (whos gonna do what) -build a website and publish the project (Loaf+DJ [doobie?]) -write the start-topics + open students submissions What do ya think? _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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INTRO:
Holy s***. Looks like a whole lotta stuff goin' on since I left! Glad to see it. Wow. Guyz/girlz, this is exactly what we needed. Ideas getting thrown around that we can catch, record, and digest... then select from the best ones we find. Thanks for the support. Well, sorry fiZZ, I'm just getting back and this might be a wee-long post. But, I guess y'all are getting used to that.
Ok, everybody sit down, here goes: EXAMINATION OF IDEAS SO FAR: At this point in time I believe there are enough ideas on sections that we can continue developing a working (and modifiable) outline. If no one minds, I'm going to sift through the ideas that have been expressed here and combine it with what I've seen in the old handbook fiZZ gave me, and try to come up with some sort of "official" outline. This will be what should to be commented on... what to include, what to get rid of, what to expand on. I'll try to get to this Sunday. Just my thoughts: I'm figuring that this is going to be a CONTINUAL work in progress. I think, frankly, all the ideas expressed here are important in some way or the other and could be included at some point in time. I mean, I'm curious about some of the more technical system tweaking, aquiring skins, etc., b/c I don't know how to do them. Dunno if I'll ever do it, but why not make it easy for someone else to do it? Reduce trial and error, saves more time to play the game. CONCERNS: One thing I'm concerned about: I, along with several others, have been the ones initially pushing the hardest for this. But I don't want anyone in the JA to think we (but especially me) are trying to hijack anything or trying to go on some big power trip. I personally am just trying to act as a focal point to provide direction towards a common goal.  Boy, let me read that previous sentence again... What the hell did that mean?
But seriously, I'd like to volunteer to steer this thing - with the tremendous leadership and knowledge provided by other much-more-wisened JA members *beside* me (not *behind* me, please understand). But this needs to be acceptable to the Academy and its membership. If this is a problem, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll push forward now... and ROCK ON! FORMATION OF THE JEDI ACADEMY KNOWLEDGE BASE STEERING COMMITTEE: That said, I'm going to take some liberty here and officially open up THE JEDI ACADEMY KNOWLEDGE BASE STEERING COMMITTEE to volunteers. (Trust me...there's a reason why committees and subcommittees are used all over the world to get things accomplished. This will be the best way to keep things organized and flowing in a positive direction.) Many of you have posted your desire to help already, and that is appreciated. I'd like to use my #2 e-mail, gisjedi@hotmailcom, specifically for JA work. Those interested, please "officially" e-mail your intent to sign up so I can start to keep track of who's on the team. Off the top of my head, I know MoS and Jake will definitely want to be on that Committee. Others, perhaps fiZZ, underhill, and B-Billy would be interested too. Aeth, I don't want to burden you with your JAK work, but would certainly welcome your wealth of experience. Anyone else please contact me and let me know via e-mail. I need to start talking to this core group soon. We have to first set up the Committee structure and start developing sub-committees and assigning sub-committee leaders. What these will be, I don't know, which is why I need to talk to all of you. So e-mail me at gisjedi@hotmail soon. PROJECT NAME: Now that we have clearance from the JAC via DJ, I'd like to eventually get an official name for this project. I'd like to put out a call for names in a separate post, the suggestions discussed by the Committee, and a list of the best names thrown out there and voted on by the entire JA to see what's most popular. *YOUR* IDEAS ARE IMPORTANT: Finally, and this is very important, I want everyone to understand this project is going to be open. I don't want anyone to think that just because you don't want to take on the additional responsibility of being a Committee member that your input is thus unimportant. Baloney. This project is indeed going to be huge - eventually. It will grow and become more refined over time. We will put out numerous and successive versions of this knowledge base which will be open for all comments/criticism/ideas. But the only way this is going to happen is if we get as much input from as many JA members as possible, comments and criticism are freely voiced, and if people feel as though their ideas are being thoughtfully and thoroughly examined. THIS *WILL* HAPPEN. (If the JA membership wants someone to steer this thing with honesty, integrity, tact and a non-political agenda, then I'm your man.) FEEDBACK: Alright, now that I've got all that off my chest (pretty long...sorry Bubu, fiZZ), I'd like to have some feedback. Positive and negative. I kinda stuck my head out here (with the danger of getting it cut off) and want to see what you think. If y'all think I'm full of crap and we should go in a different way, I'll back down. I'm merely trying to push things along and provide a structure here for us to work with. Waddaya think? -rh <runs his fingers under cold water> _______________ Back from the dead... This comment was edited by Ruuk Haviser on Mar 15 2003 07:58am. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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ok. we it doesnt matter how we seperate the basiv from the advanced stuff, but I want to see that as an option in the database, later.
well, I agree, mapping shouldnt be an issue here. console cmd's is far enough, and maybe a little info on adjusting the JA script or so. but that shouldnt be the focus. It was intended for students who dont have the ability to take classes, that could learn that way - and I think we should all keep that in mind. also I think its counter-productive if we post too long stuff in here.... keep it simple and readable. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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I want this to be like the manual thatwas never made. Want it to contain everything there is to know about this game.
Why do we need a section on ghoul2 ? The academy doesn't use it does it ? Mapping and stuff, thats not really game related, thats more sort of editing and stuff, and isn't officially in the game. we could do at the end though if theres demand for it. Bout the sections. Force powers shouldn't have a skill level (except for moves you can do with them, combos like grip kick and throw pull, or my other move which I havn't told anyone bout yet, can't remember what I called it though  Involves kick pull and push, have to show you)
The other sections should be done (in my opinion) in stances, then within the stances different difficulty levels. For example: Light Stance (Blue)<<<<Whatever stance you're doing <What it is......> Level 1 skills (Basic) Put stuff like basic moves and swings, basic tactics. Level 2 Skills (Intermediate) Stuff like the strafe combos in light and medium, two hit combos in red, all the specials Level 3 (Advanced) Not sure what to put here about light, praps the strafe combo. This is only an example anyway so doesn't matter. For medium, the advanced combos like double spins, for heavy 3 hit combos. Level 4 (Expert) <<Optional depends on stance Stuff like counters,triple spins, my reversal in medium, maybe stuff like parachute although that might be better suited to the trix and stuff
Last night I was browsing through the assets0.pk3 to find the icon pictures for the force powers. I cam accross a whole load of useful pics which could be used to tart up the handbook/holocron. Stuff like the pictures of the flags, the map loading screenshots (for map tactics and stuff) Thats all I can think of at the moment. Wil post again later as theres something at the back of my mind, just can't put my finger on it right now..... _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Not just new students. Everyone.
New guys can get most of the info from other guides or the manual. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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I don't really think we need a mapping, skinning, etc. section. The way I understood it was this would kinda be like a handbook for new students.
Anyway, like I said, I have some of the console commands and stuff that I'll send to Ruuk, I guess, when it's finished. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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That's a good idea. Perhaps each catergory could be divided into 'basic' and 'advanced' sections rather than having them seperate? _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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Ruuk is away until Saturday at his brothers wedding.
One question, should we organize by difficulty or by topic? Should their be a "Basics" and "Advanced section"? I was thinking about this while taking a crap, and if we had all the basic stuff and simple tactics in one category. Like Basic Movment would cover rolling, wallwalking, and the like while Advanced movement in a different section would cover strafe jumping, gliding, wall gliding, etc. What topics does everyone want? So far, we have: Welcome to the Academy The Lightsaber -Blue -Yellow -Red -Countering and Ghoul2 Force Powers -Stats -How, when, and where to use. Game Types/Tactics -Huge section here. We would cover a lot. Guns and explosives -How to use, how to defend against Movement Tips and Tricks -Things like the Instant DFA or wall gliding Technical section later on? After the (Mapping, skinning, scripting, and stuff) _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Oh Ok. I didn't know that ruuk was doing it. I'll send the handbook on to him then. _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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well, I basically agree, but that could well done with the database system, DJ was talking about. lets keep this as simple and stupid as possible until we get that supported by the DJ. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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