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AvaloN - Student  |
Hi guys  First of all, ive just been accepted into the Academy, and im loving every bit of it  Ive done a search on this staff-bug, but i found nothing. Ive heard that when attacking with a saberstaff, you're defence is abnormally high due to a bug. I was wondering, is this bug really confirmed? Any chance on it getting fixed? I am a saberstaff-fan, but the staff being bugged might make me take on another saberstyle. Tnx in advance for any input This post was edited by Buzz on Jun 04 2005 11:52pm. |
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Carve - Student 
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Thank you for the clarification; that would explain my confusion. _______________ © |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Usually, the range of single yellow never exceeds the range of duals on unmodded servers (aka basejka).Thing is though, single yellow HAS greater range then duals on the JA servers. I doubt that the range of duals differs from basejka to JAR.What actually differs is the range of single yellow though...amongst other things. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Carve - Student
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Yeah, I'm sure the staff defense is totally a bug, considering how crappy Darth Maul's defense was and how he kept getting hit over and over again. Also, duals having greater range than medium stance? What swing? They all seem considerably shorter to me. _______________ © |
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3th - Retired 
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Quote: Staffs contact with single yellow on basejka ends up with single beein penetrated.Staffs defense isnt high enough for red stancers. Things are different on JAR though. =) yes indeed. the parry system is quite "jacked up" compared to base IMO. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Furi0us - Student 
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Quote: perhaps the saber system was made by someone who favored duals Yes, now he can use his programming hax to pwn everyone with duals. On the staff defense; Yes I believe it is way too high, and it was not intended to be this way. Another patch REALLY would help fix alot of these stupid little things. The solution? Whore red. _______________ You are not your f***ing system specs. You are not your uptime stats, your script file, or your oversized desktop screencap. You are not your broadband connection. You are not your f***ing post count. This comment was edited by Furi0us on Jun 07 2005 10:00am. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Balian - Ex-Student |
im gonna have to agree to disagree until i hear it from the programmers themselves grad. Personally I dont think alot of programmers give a squat about a game at least a lucasarts SW game anyway to perfect it to perfect playing style. With the name it has the only reason it comes out so fast is cause the money. Now I may be wrong here and I have no confirmed reports but perhaps the saber system was made by someone who favored duals i really dont know. But I think the game was just made to make money, not to figure out how real saber duels would go or with that much care of flaws either. Just look how many SW games have been out in the last 3-4 years. THey make them, they move on, cha ching george lucas. But my main point is we can study a game and say something is a flaw but we really have no clue what in the world 1 single programmer was thinking when they made a game except $$$ and sabers flying. So it could go either way and we both have our opinions but I guess well never truely know... Edit: good debate _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. This comment was edited by Balian on Jun 07 2005 05:05am. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student
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Quote: Grad im not sure how u can say its a bug? It was programmed that way for a reason i believe. I mean is there a report from the proggers that says staff def is too high? I agree with masta on that its meant to be that way. No, to my knowledge there hasn't been any official report about it. But there are people who spend hours and hours studying the saber combat system, testing it for flaws, people such as Virtue and Luke Skywalker. These two have put in countless hours ever since the game was first released in learning the combat system, and passed on bits of knowledge to myself and others. This is why they are so good. It is well known that Jedi Academy was rushed and is in need of a second patch. I highly doubt the programmers wanted to make staff as powerful as it is, and wanted to keep alot of exploits in the game. I'll always love my staff, and I'll always use it, aside from when I'm practicing with single or duals. I don't consider it a n00bstick, as all saber types can be one depending on how they are used. But it is bugged. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: I think duals are really hard to control, way harder then any other stance/saber.Maybe thats the reason for them beeing not as that popular Agreed. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Yes and thats why i should actually call duals overpowered.Not only do they have the speed of blue,range greater then yellow and deal more dmg then red, but their defense is really huge as well.Of course staffs defense is greater then the one of duals, but the staff has far less range which makes up for it. Still, if it would be as that overpowered then everyone would be just using duals all the time.Im not sure why this isnt the fact tbh.I think duals are really hard to control, way harder then any other stance/saber.Maybe thats the reason for them beeing not as that popular _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Jun 07 2005 01:27am. |
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Balian - Ex-Student |
Grad im not sure how u can say its a bug? It was programmed that way for a reason i believe. I mean is there a report from the proggers that says staff def is too high? I agree with masta on that its meant to be that way. Masta on your duals thing the reason duals is so powerful is because 2 sabers going thru u are better then 1. Although it seems random to u if u watch when u get hit the damage from just 1 saber hitting you and the damage between 2 u can see the difference. That is what I have found playing both weapons and against them... <3 _______________ What man is a man who does not make the world better. |
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AvaloN - Student 
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Great info guys, tnx a bunch |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Staffs contact with single yellow on basejka ends up with single beein penetrated.Staffs defense isnt high enough for red stancers. Things are different on JAR though. =) _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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even if its not the bug... it looks really unreal. how comes staffs contact with single ends up with dmg to single...well not always but 2/3 of times 100% . no block no nothing... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Jun 05 2005 09:33am. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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It may have a bug, but you don't have to be afraid to use it. There are ways you can avoid using it too much if you like. Besides, I don't have many problems fighting Staffers with Single anyway. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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i like to think of myself as an ok saberist, not good by any standards, but i know which end is the hot end in my experience, the high damage of staff, and speed comparable to medium stance is on little use if you cant hit. in addition, red stance has the advantage of range, and power, and can guard crush. yellow too can parry and deflect staff. ive been defeated by many good blue stancers and dual saberists. it all comes down to how effectively the advantages of the staff can be utilised, against a good player, they may be able to negate these advanatges. plus, you can always crouch under a staffs guard. [edit: spelling, like usual] _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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The thing about staff is, it has high offensive capabilities. It has high damage attacks, great speed, and continuous attack cycles, which are supposed to make up for it's low defense. However, since it's defense is jacked up more than it's suppsoed to be, staff is a broken saber type. Sure, it's part of the game. And me being a staffer, I know it's shocking to see me put it down like this. But the fact is, staff wasn't ever meant to be like the way it is. It wasn't properly configured with the Ghoul2 system, the system that deals with saber collisions, parries, blocking, etc. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Yeah, the staff does require a high defense. Red stance rips right through it, and because of it's short range it's speed is it's only advantage. If yellow could overpower it's defense, well that's sort of put staff at a disadvantage hasn't it? _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Well, i cant see why staffs defense should be too high.Its obvious shorter range makes for a perfect balance.Imo, the only unbalanced thing there is with the staff is erm...the ability to switch stances whilst swinging. Of course i can say that the dmg dealt by duals is way too high and that it shouldnt be that way because it unbalances the game and makes duals overpowered.Still noone seems to complain about it because duals seem to be so hard to aim with. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Jun 04 2005 11:08pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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nah, after getting pwned by masta and kain youll see that its the skill, not the saber _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Gradius - Ex-Student
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Quote: No sir.The sabers and stance are pretty much balanced in this game.It can differ from server to server and mod to mod though. Some may consider staff or duals as overpowered, but i can assure you that its not like that.There is always a way to beat a certain style. Oh and welcome to the JA. =) There are ways to beat every style, yes. But staff's defense is way to high, which is a bug, as it really should not be that way. I'll explain it to you one day later, as I'm too tired to do so right now And I'm afraid only a patch can fix it. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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CuZzA - Student 
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Quote: Staff is horribly overpowered in CTF. who uses saberz in CTF?  _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Staff is horribly overpowered in CTF. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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No sir.The sabers and stance are pretty much balanced in this game.It can differ from server to server and mod to mod though. Some may consider staff or duals as overpowered, but i can assure you that its not like that.There is always a way to beat a certain style. Oh and welcome to the JA. =) _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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