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-=Nomad=- - Student  |
http://www.petitiononline.com/sd5a1492/petition.html here's the petition to see jka as an official discipline  i think the game we all love has his place in !-=Nomad=- _______________ -=Nomad=- Following the [url=http://www.thejediacademy.net/show_profile.php?f_id=4651]Odan's wei[/url]...  Brother to [url=http://www.thejediacademy.net/show_profile.php?f_id=8129]Solitude[/url]  Give fun to ur saber, and it will give fun to you ! This post was edited by -=Nomad=- on Jul 14 2005 02:55am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: if someone IS hurted by what u say this is just because HE hurt himself with it So how can he hurt himself if he doesnt have a choice to not get hurt? If he actually cant not get hurt by your opinion, then the one who hurt him is not he himself, but you. Its like setting up spikes on the road which the person HAS to walk on. He doesnt have a choice but to walk down this road and if you choose to set up some spikes on that road which he has no other option left but to walk through, then it is you who hurt him, not he himself. Some wise guy once said that experience is the best teacher. This doesnt mean it gives you the right to necessarily hurt people only because you want to make them strong and learn from it. Your intentions whilst hurting people is trivial, i dont see why it should be necessary to hurt people in order to give them a lesson. If you want to actually help them get strong ect., then you dont have to rely on things which will hurt them. But i presume trying to do something like that is a lot harder then just bluntly pointing out the truth. Also, "to tolerate" is a verb which is based on the noun "tolerance". The meaning of both words remains the same which is: "The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others." - dictionary.com You see, i dont have to rip it all into your flesh for you to learn it and grow from it. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Aug 11 2005 07:05pm. |
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SaZ - Student 
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im gonna continue your list of bad and good things. cheating = bad. exploiting the game = bad. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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-=Nomad=- - Student 
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not their CHOICE, their unability not to be hurted, their unchoiceless about that i d even say ^^ not especially insults based on thruth, u wanna falsify all i say ( where were the insults ?? ), responsability ? YES i m responsible for the mind i put you in when u read me, and i ve no problem with it, even if ya have. sometimes pple like childs for example needs to be even hurted, it can b GOOD ! ( already said that , do u read ???? ), and , farther, tell me the bad about hurting someone just by telling what u think ? what , he s gonna cry, suffer ? ok... is he depressive, suicidal ? ok maybe... But, does he deserve ur frankness or not,at least as a lesson ?! do u like him ?! do u think he will b hurted ? what s ur trouble with conflict ? communication IS conflict ! and stop that coz u werent hurted and i knew u would not be... about tolerance, yes sometimes i shut my mouth not to hurt someone if u really cares about that ( lol ) , but what about yours , tolarance isnt tolarate, it is totally acceptation : of exploiters for example, of frank speaking , of black people, etc... ( i think u not only tolerate them ) No more lessons plz _______________ -=Nomad=- Following the Odan's wei... Brother to Solitude Give fun to ur saber, and it will give fun to you ! This comment was edited by -=Nomad=- on Aug 11 2005 06:25pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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So from what ive gathered, you say that everything non-physical, especially insults based on truth, dont necessarily have to hurt anyone because its their own choice if they get hurt by it or not? Dont you think the actual insulter should still take responsibility for risking that other people might hurt themselfs with what he said? Even when his intentions arnt hostile? You say that people who get hurt are most of the time not prepared to hear, accept and understand the truth. If you know that they arnt prepared to hear, accept and understand the truth and therefore will hurt themselfs by listening to your opinions, then why stating them? Isnt it actually a question of tolerance if you decide to not say certain things because you dont want to risk that others may hurt themselfs? _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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-=Nomad=- - Student
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Lol, well poke = fun = good being so serious about THE way to play = borrying and not open minded = bad ^^ ( time to make a break away from this game ? ) about "accusating" someone to poke is not from me, it's from u , because for me pokers arnt guilty ( u remember ? i like poke ! ) lol about kain, i repeat he poked me, about sensei, maybe not, but he delayed me , which is the cheapest and most obvious exploit u can do in this game so... and i dont know them, just dueled with ( but i guess ur trap here and... lol sensei ) and the last one : i didnt loosed control lol, i CHOOSE what i say and didnt found necessary to make it sweeter here but i notice a change : first it's insulting, and finally it's hurting... 2 different things, and i d just say: if someone IS hurted by what u say this is just because HE hurt himself with it, most of time coz he isnt prepared to hear, accept and understand it.that's why even if you are naughty and cruel, you wont necerarily succeed in hurting... anyway , in my country we say " only the truth hurts " and if it does it's because we have trouble with truth, but we all know only the truth makes u improve urself, so... hurting may be a great help.the question is only WHO are u talking to... what will he do with what u tell him ^^ the rest is choice business... i think u can be more than hurted, if ya were ^^ P.S: i made a peace movement as thin as it was, u strikes back ( polite but... diplomaSt ? lol ) so, take this one: taking a sentence out from it context and all that comes before and follow to criticize the expressed point of view is in my mind as cheap as poke in yours... i even wonder if u read what i write or only parts and then makes ur quotes about them lol^^ Ho about poke : i do it with 11 sensi with ball mouse, my clan leader with 9, another friend with 6,another 12... and, it NEEDS aiming and timing : would u call a poker a player who never hit when he pokes ? if he doesnt aim isnt he more... a noob ??? just try to wiggle without aming, lol u ll never poke anyone ! i d even say poke is harder to time than a classic hit, maybe sometimes it s even harder to aim when poking cause of the wiggle stuff particularly while movin, and dependings on the moment in the hit u gonna poke. cya, and have fun... _______________ -=Nomad=- Following the Odan's wei... Brother to Solitude Give fun to ur saber, and it will give fun to you ! This comment was edited by -=Nomad=- on Aug 11 2005 05:57pm. |
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Rosie - Student 
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Poke, wiggle = bad ze end |
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SaZ - Student 
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sometimes it just looks that we ALL wiggle and stuff but thats just illusion coz of lag, ping difference etc. well kain and sensei masta (lol) are really good saberists and i dont think they need to poke. come on there is bunch of demos(here in forums) with kain and sensei masta having tffas with uber glitchers and they dont use glitches against them. ofcourse i may be wrong... maybe they go undercover and h4x us all  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Good thing im able to control myself and the way i throw my opinions around. If i would just say everything in an extremly blunt and honest way, i would hurt a lot of people for sure. Since this isnt my intention, im not doing it. Also, i have never seen kain nor sensei masta poke before. It seems that either i dont know them as good as you do, or you seem to have a different defintion of poking then i do. Or maybe you just like to accuse people of things they have not done and thus making them look bad infront of others. =) _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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-=Nomad=- - Student
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Well, my purpose isnt to insult you or not matt, sorry for all that, but i have this character and just tell what i think and feel, and just how it comes to me... Maybe in a way it's kinda unpolite ( ? ), but it's frank and honnest ( which can be a definition of respect more than politeness ) .i'll just point at the fact i didnt use any insult like bastard or i dunno ( sry for writing this word ), i just dont feel sthing like that... Ok, about the academy mind i cant say nothing, it's a long time i didnt connect to any server. But the funny thing is last time i dueled with kain and sensei masta, they used poke and delays, and it seemed to cause no trouble with noone !?! I think there s different ways to play jka in different places, like different cultures, and the ja is more yellow and scissors side than red and poke one... ok, there s good players from each side, using exploits or not.Personnally i just tried to open myself to ALL the ways to PLAY, to learn all of them , and, meet and have fun with ALL KIND of players, without limiting the exchange with judgements about styles.everything different brings you something and makes you stronger. that's what i want to tell you matt And, Sol ! hey So long time ! how r u ? what u say about the academy with johauna is sad , wow ! should go and have a look.anyway, hope all s going fine for ya  Hoping to catch you playing by there too cya ^^ _______________ -=Nomad=- Following the Odan's wei... Brother to Solitude Give fun to ur saber, and it will give fun to you ! This comment was edited by -=Nomad=- on Aug 10 2005 05:51pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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perhaps, although ive found that often arguing about a subject people feel strong about tends to get them even more worked up. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I agree. However, getting worked up over exploits in the first place will pretty much decrease your enjoment of the game. Im not sure but...doesnt complaining about something you got worked up about, have somesort of a venting-effect? Which means that you actually will feel better after having complained about it. I still agree that it wont make you a better player (nor person) though. Edit: Oh and i want to apologize to everyone for having caused another exploits discussion and nearly a flamewar. >_> _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Aug 08 2005 10:59am. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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oh yeah, whether its 'right' or 'wrong' people will 'exploit'. just remember that complaining about 'exploits', whatever they are to you will not make you a better player or enhance your enjoyment of the game. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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recently ive been playing under a variety of pseudonyms, the atmosphere has changed from when i first joined...recently as that was. btw, i remember when you first joined johauna, the late night training with me and squibit; fun times the real community will never die, itll stay as long as the players here remember how it used to be and act in the same way as before. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Sadly, I was on the server recently (well, though not real name... I prefer to hide myself..) and I got really strange wievs of some people, teling me 'ooh, nice wiggle'. Sorry to say that - but where tolerance and friendship did go from this place?  Besides the fact I wasn't wiggling, I just can't see the friendliness of this place, where everyone was willing to help out to anyone... makes me sad and ensures me that *real* JKA community is dead.  _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Bo - Student 
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The way I see it, exploits are here to stay. That said, they are NOT the most effective way to win. Somebody who has truly mastered the saber does not use exploits, not necessarily because its dishonorable(which is one of the reasons i dont use them) but because it simply isnt the most effective way to fight. I liken exploits to the jka equivalent of what yoda says about the darkside, its quicker, easier, more seductive. Nubs see someone doing it, and how efficiently it kills, so they begin doing it themselves. The real challenge in this game is learning the subtleties. Exploits do 3 things, they make hits do more damage, they make hits land that shouldn't, and they create blocks that shouldn't occur. I have found that exploiters will get the occasional one or 2 hit kill on me, but for the most part, I find them easy to defeat, however annoying they might be. I've heard all the: try it, its not as easy as it looks. Well, I'm here to tell you, it is very easy. Try 10 or so blue diagonals, then tell me which is harder. All of that said, there is no reason not to have JKA in competition, because if you can't beat exploiters, you wouldn't have gone very far anyway. _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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I think this thread has about served it's purpose. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Fire - Student 
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Simma' down now boy n' girls |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Heh, no need for insults though. I havnt been insulting you neither, have i? Also, i think ive stated already that i agree with everything you said. Even if its just to avoid a confrontation and more insults. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Aug 06 2005 07:09pm. |
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-=Nomad=- - Student
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u r incredible, they just own you man, and explain only ur ignorance and excessive pride, u just got a narrow mind, but if u want more explanations : poke a poke and u can get a red counter, just hit the saber as u parry in yellow, i say parrying is an exploit cause it deliver, noone knows why, more damage than a scissor hit without counter, sometimes it even gives a delay animation, it's realistic that, when being poke, that is to say u receive several hits in one ( and without animation )u receive more damage, so yes, u dont knoiw all that, and u totally wrong sorry. u guy need hardware to poke ( let me laugh )and u dont even answer me about delays and jumpsmashes ( if u know what it is ) so.... end of unpleasant disussion with ya ;( _______________ -=Nomad=- Following the Odan's wei... Brother to Solitude Give fun to ur saber, and it will give fun to you ! This comment was edited by -=Nomad=- on Aug 06 2005 05:04pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Oh excuse me for quoting you. I wasnt trying to be ironic at all tbh. Well, i was just simply pointing out a few things from your post. I guess i couldve added a bit more myself but i dont think it was necessary since it wouldve just caused even more arguments and besides...the quotes are quite self-explanatory imo. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Aug 05 2005 10:43pm. |
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-=Nomad=- - Student
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Johauna u roxxxxx ! I love what u say girl, this is exactly and only what matter about the poke discussion: just have fun, and forget all the rest, no more ethic needed, thx ^^ and mat, ur irony is just... ignorant auto-satisfaction and really disapointing :\ ok let's forget Johauna, i play with nichos and angelus sometimes, i really love them and they are great players, nice to meet u girl ! _______________ -=Nomad=- Following the Odan's wei... Brother to Solitude Give fun to ur saber, and it will give fun to you ! This comment was edited by -=Nomad=- on Aug 05 2005 04:47pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: Everytime I see argument/flame between 'nopokers' and 'pokers' I only smile a bit. This game is not about poke or non poke. It's about how you move, how you watch your opponent and his actions. About timing of your own actions. Poking is just some style of how the game is played. It's up to people if they are here to have fun or just cry 'OMG, a poker! Why I can't beat him?' My friend angelus can beat pokers, without even using poke. Why? Because he tried. He trained to move, to react on opponent's actions. Another friend of mine - nichos doesn't use poke too. It IS possible to play without poke, but I think it really doesn't matter. When I fight with somebody, I often look at his/her character. Dureal is nice example - he's the best in ESL ladders, but what's much more important for me - his character is unaffected by this. He's not arrogant, he's not a flamer. He uses a poke, but why it should be reason for arguing? Train your skills to get better, not waste your time with crying! Have fun with the game! Oh, and you might ask me if I'm poker or not. Yeah, I'll admit freely. I am poker. I started at non poke, but then I 'fall' to poking. However, if somebody would be polite player and asked me for no poke, I would stop it. You see, all these arguments are really pointless. Have fun with JKA! ...pwnt? i totaly agree.. 100% i have had poking. and i do poke sometimes on publics. and indeed. if ur gunan whine please..jusyt..whine somewhere else. its a game. relax. there is no need to get annoyed and stressed ebcuase there is a poker.if they ar idiots then yes. i agree. you may be annoyed. but 90% of pokers arent as*holes bh. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Everytime I see argument/flame between 'nopokers' and 'pokers' I only smile a bit. This game is not about poke or non poke. It's about how you move, how you watch your opponent and his actions. About timing of your own actions. Poking is just some style of how the game is played. It's up to people if they are here to have fun or just cry 'OMG, a poker! Why I can't beat him?' My friend angelus can beat pokers, without even using poke. Why? Because he tried. He trained to move, to react on opponent's actions. Another friend of mine - nichos doesn't use poke too. It IS possible to play without poke, but I think it really doesn't matter. When I fight with somebody, I often look at his/her character. Dureal is nice example - he's the best in ESL ladders, but what's much more important for me - his character is unaffected by this. He's not arrogant, he's not a flamer. He uses a poke, but why it should be reason for arguing? Train your skills to get better, not waste your time with crying! Have fun with the game! Oh, and you might ask me if I'm poker or not. Yeah, I'll admit freely. I am poker. I started at non poke, but then I 'fall' to poking. However, if somebody would be polite player and asked me for no poke, I would stop it. You see, all these arguments are really pointless. Have fun with JKA! _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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SaberWeildinKow - Student 
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Quote: If someone does it to you, then spam spin and poke on em. When they get mad and call u a noob, say "You started it!. lol" lol, I remember a good few months back I had a macro bound for when I beat a sploiter out on the pubs, it'd say something like "Wiggles Sux0rs!!!" Great satisfaction it gave me I must admit (specially when a couple guys ended up stopping). |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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this wont work..at all.. :\ im all for it but it just wouldnt work _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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