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Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince (Spoilers)
Jul 18 2005 04:55am

Flash
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Flash
Anyone read it yet/want to discuss it? I just finished it a few minutes ago, and man, it was tough to get through the end. I have to admit it was pretty intense for me.:eek:

Anyways, I won't talk about what happened just yet, I'm not sure how many other HP fans are out there and spent a lot of time reading it right away, but I'd like to hear from you!

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Jul 22 2005 11:42pm

Jaina D'Kana
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 Jaina D'Kana

*SPOILER*

u all assume Snape is evil now. Its possible that Dumbledore was already dieing (cause of that mangled arm), so he and Snape decided that if the time came it would be better to kill him than to blow Snape's cover.

Of course thats just one POV
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This comment was edited by Jaina D'Kana on Jul 22 2005 11:43pm.

Jul 22 2005 09:22pm

LEO2033
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 LEO2033

Spoilers...






Anyone care to guess who R.A.B. is? Borgin or Burke? one of Sirius's relatives who had a first name with a first letter R?

Also, I saw this posted in another forum...
Dumbledore used phoenix as examples and other things like that. Since Phoenixs rise from their ashes more powerful than they were, think Dumbledore will do the same? Although he is not a phoenix, it is still an interesting point.




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Jul 22 2005 06:04pm

DarthMike
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Particularly happy.

rofl
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Jul 22 2005 04:20pm

Jacen Aratan
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Particularly happy.

Jul 22 2005 03:37pm

Ecks
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 Ecks

Er... spending time with your girlfriend by the lake doesn't have to be suggestive. ;)
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Jul 22 2005 03:30pm

Jacen Aratan
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Am I the only one that thought "Harry relived a particularly happy hour with Ginny by the lake..." carried innuendoes you don't normally find in children's books? :p

Jul 21 2005 11:25pm

Kainz00r
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 Kainz00r

Yeah, that's fairly accurate.
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Jul 21 2005 11:22pm

Mic Den Octela
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 Mic Den Octela

OK, i've not nearly finished yet. I'm on page 137 and im trying as hard as I can not to read what other people have said.

Front cover - wtf is with harrys scar, dumbledores beards on fire @ bottom, hes not using his wand hand he's using his left, both wands look like... twigs and should they both be playing with fire with those expressions on their faces?
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Jul 21 2005 09:02pm

Flash
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 Flash

As to what Janus said about Draco, I don't think he'll turn good. Dumbledore seemed to be causing Draco to rethink what he was doing, but there are two things that messed up the chance to turn him good:

1. Other Death Eaters came, so Dumbledore couldn't focus on persuading Draco.
2. Dumbledore was killed.

The second one seems to have the most effect, as Dumbledore told Draco he could offer him protection from the Dark Lord. With Dumbledore gone, who can protect Draco? I doubt there is anyone with that power left, or anyone that would be willing to try to turn Draco good. Unless of course, the Dark Lord rejects him for not being able to kill Dumbledore, in which case, he might join up with the good side. But who would trust him, after seeing what happened to another person that supposedly went good (Snape)? To top it off, I bet his family would stop him from joining the good side. Why would he want to fight against them, because they certainly don't seem to be in any hurry to betray their fellow Death Eaters.

Just my thoughts on the matter.:)

Jul 21 2005 04:54pm

Jarhok Belouve
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 Jarhok Belouve

Well I havn't got much to say to blown away, fantastic book i finished it the day after i got it lol. brilliant i couldnt put it down. The end was shocking and I admit I cried at *SPOILER ALERT* dumbledores death. So sad and shocked at *SPOILER ALERT* Snapes treachery. couldnt believe it fantastic! :D
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Jul 21 2005 03:40pm

Kainz00r
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Snape is a highly skilled wizard, unless Harry is a very weak one. For example, we read, "'Incarc-' Harry roared, but Snape deflected the spell with an almost lazy flick of his arm." As well as this, Snape even tells Harry what he's doing wrong, "Blocked again, and again, and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mouth closed, Potter." In Harry's final attempt to hit Snape with a spell, he merely 'thinks' the words to cast it, but Snape knows exactly which spell he is trying to cast, suggesting that even mid 'duel' Snape is able to repel spells and read the thoughts of his opponent, seeing as Harry is not the best with occlumency, and even if he was, the duel with Snape would be so intense and fast paced he would probably completely forget about blocking Snape from his mind, regardless of Snape's comment as I mentioned before. A lack of duelling experience also plays a part here.

Note also that up on the tower before Snape kills Dumbledore, the Death Eaters are arguing over what to do. Fenrir Greyback, the werewolf is about to rip into Dumbledore's throat before being blasted against the wall by another Death Eater, being told that Draco must do it. However, when Snape arrives, he doesn't even need to ask anyone to move or speak, as we read, "Snape said nothing, but walked forwards and pushed Malfoy roughly out of the way. The three Death Eaters fell back without a word. Even the werewolf seemed cowed." This extract to me suggests that the other Death Eaters fear the ability of Snape, not wishing to disagree with his decisions incase it leads to confrontation. As well as this, we learn that Snape has made his own spells, a very accomplished feat, and the now well known 'Sectumsempra' spell, a powerful spell related to the dark arts. Seeing as he made such a powerful dark arts spell in his time at Hogwarts, this leads me to assume he accomplished even more after he left Hogwarts, making his a very powerful wizard.
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Jul 21 2005 03:09pm

Flash
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 Flash

I thought Snape didn't kill Harry because Voldemort gave the Death Eaters orders to leave him.

Jul 21 2005 02:45pm

Ecks
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 Ecks

I think somewhere along the line you will see Snape confessing some sort of feelings for Lily Potter. I KNOW that is going to play a huge part in the storyline, and fits well, since it would explain why Snape refuses to kill Harry. As well, I think we'll see Snape get into a duel with Voldemort. That would be uber cool. Considering that James had to take three people with him to fight Snape, it's safe to assume Snape, like DarthMike said, is a very skilled wizard.
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Jul 21 2005 11:14am

DarthMike
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 DarthMike

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That's very interesting, as supposedly Voldemort was going to make another Horcrux after he got rid of the Potters, right? However, I don't think it will be what happens, although it would make a great plot twist. I really don't understand why Harry was so awful duelling Snape, considering he was able to get all the other Death Eaters with relative ease. Or was it that Snape was just a better wizard than all of them?


u oughta read more carefully. Indeed, Voldy was planning on making the last horcrux when he killed harry, but he failed. He instead made his last horcrux his pet snake, when he possesed it to kill someone.

As for snape, i think it was a combination of the fact that he was just a good wizard, and Harry was using his own spells. Considering he didnt even utter an incantation, you can only assume he must be very skilled.
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This comment was edited by DarthMike on Jul 21 2005 11:18am.

Jul 21 2005 05:43am

monkai
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but then, or atleast i didn't read right. If the 7 horcuxs were the "shatterpoint" of voldermort or if destroyed he would be weak. and if harry was one of these hocruxs then it would make sense if he had died wouldn't it?

Jul 21 2005 05:02am

Janus
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 Janus

Unbelieveably, as much as I was bummed with how the story turned (it was great, but you know, people you like always get axed in these books), I can see Draco surprisingly be good at the end of this thing. His hesitancy with the Astronomy tower event and all. I can't wait to see Harry kick the crap out of Snape, unless they twist it into Dumbledore wanting to be killed and having Snape do it purposefully. But I think what we read was what we read, and he's an evil sonofagun, end of story.

As for the school, I'm sure it'll be fine, and for some reason, I think we'll see Harry back there, just Apparating to wherever he needs to go with the rest of his cronies.

Concluding with will he die or not, Rowling can either go the route of happy endings with Hermione and Ron together, and Ginny and Harry being together (he says he doesn't want the relationship, but c'mon, you know he wants it!), or sad endings with Harry doing the whole self sacrifice life thing, but who knows. I like the books, but I like the Wheel of Time better :).
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Jul 21 2005 02:20am

Scythus Aratan
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 Scythus Aratan

I think it was something to do with the fact that Snape knew the spells that Harry was casting and could counter them.
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Jul 20 2005 11:03pm

Flash
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 Flash

That's very interesting, as supposedly Voldemort was going to make another Horcrux after he got rid of the Potters, right? However, I don't think it will be what happens, although it would make a great plot twist. I really don't understand why Harry was so awful duelling Snape, considering he was able to get all the other Death Eaters with relative ease. Or was it that Snape was just a better wizard than all of them?

Jul 20 2005 05:15pm

DarthMike
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 DarthMike

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K, spoiler alert here...










Has anyone considered that Harry could be one of the Horcruxes? Perhaps Voldemort did not truly use Avada Kedavra on Harry as most thought, but just did a Horcrux like binding spell? It would be a good plot twist, and would be interesting to see how Rowling would finish the story if this were true.


hehe interisting idea, not likely, impossible actually, but still very interesting. I guess Harry would kill Voldy then stab himself:P
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This comment was edited by DarthMike on Jul 20 2005 05:18pm.

Jul 20 2005 04:22pm

Ecks
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 Ecks

K, spoiler alert here...










Has anyone considered that Harry could be one of the Horcruxes? Perhaps Voldemort did not truly use Avada Kedavra on Harry as most thought, but just did a Horcrux like binding spell? It would be a good plot twist, and would be interesting to see how Rowling would finish the story if this were true.
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Jul 20 2005 03:49pm

Dicemaster
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 Dicemaster

Haven't we all really known since book one, that harry is eventually going to kill voldemort? I mean how many ppl would be pissed if it was the other way around? Rowling would be murdered in her sleep probably.
Anyway, I think, that Harry won't go back, but needs to. We all saw how bad he was when fighting snape. Theres no way he is ready to fight the greatest dark wizard of all time.
Also, has anyone noticed that shes kinda turning this into one big huge love story?
Hermoni(sp?)+ron harry+ginny lupin+tonks Bill+fleur(sp?)
I mean, its just a big love story, haha
Which goes back to the one thing that Harry can do, that voldemort can't. And all of his friends/partners can do it to.
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Jul 19 2005 11:57pm

DarthMike
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 DarthMike

nah harry wont die, as much tragedy as Rowling has induced so far, i dont think she will be able to bear to do that.
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Jul 19 2005 10:15pm

Flash
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 Flash

Harry dying?:eek: I can't bear to think of that. As to the Ginny comment, yeah I bet she'll tag along, she's definitely more likely to than anyone else that Harry left out. Hogwarts, whether it will open or not, I'm not sure, but I doubt Harry will go. I really hope he doesn't, actually, because the parts outside of school where he's exploring new places are the most exciting to me.

Jul 19 2005 09:35pm

monkai
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I've heard from plently of friends about these rumors, that Harry will die in his last year.

I seriously doubt it, but does anyone have a speculation about it?

Jul 19 2005 09:24pm

DarthMike
 - Student
 DarthMike

Her writing style is very good, you are always pleading for more. When im reading it, i just wish i could have super reading abilities and read all of it in 10 seconds cuz im so anxious. They sell so much cuz people are dying waiting to see what happens. She is pretty smart that Rowling woman. I think i might put myself into a coma until the next one comes out.......


anyway, on another note, do you think hogywarts will open again and if so will harry go? btw, theres NO way ginny isnt gonna end up going with harry to wherever he goes. Loony lovegood and neville will go too i betcha.
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This comment was edited by DarthMike on Jul 19 2005 09:26pm.

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