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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student  |
ok. before i go on with this. i do not want spamming. flaming. or general imaturity in this thread. if there is any. i will ask a admin to lock the thread. ok. this thread is basicly asking all of you what YOU personaly think of sploits but i dont want ''they are for noobs becuaset hey are for a easy win. becuase its bull'. i want reasons on opinions. and i want good reasons. becuase in my time at the JA i have noticed how many people here. CAN or HAVE . or DO sploitz outside the ja. and i find it funny that with so many people doing it. they still seem to hide it in the ja. i will openly admit. i SPLOITS sometimes out of the ja. im in a clan. sploits. but i still seem to be able to play reasonably without poke. someone at the ja once said [no names] ''ja is about how you move. not about how good ur poke is.'' although yes, poke helps massive damage. but if i stand still. and poke. i can still be hit. if i run in one direction and poke. i can still be hit. even if my opponent doesent poke. thanks. -peace _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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AvaloN - Student 
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I dont think every poker uses poking to make up for a lack of skill. Guys like Dureal (check his records on the ESL) dont just win their matches because they are good at poking. They are just very good at this game, and they use poking and swaying to enhace their defensive and offensive power. Look at it like this: In the ESL, 99% of the top players poke. If u can play 317 duels in the ESL, and only lose 10 of them, play 2 draws and win 305 times, u must be doing something better than the other 50 guys who just as much poke their behinds off. Like most of u said, poking doesnt take that much skill. But there must be something that sets the pokers apart from the top-notch pokers. IMHO, thats pure skill. This comment was edited by AvaloN on Oct 20 2005 09:41pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: because all the top esl players do it, as does most everyone in bwn. Yea and therefore its totally impossible to be good without poking. If everyone on bwn does it, so what? How does that possibly mean that you cant be good without using pokes? If everyone in the JA is going to spam yellow sweeps, so what? Does that mean that its impossible to be good with red? Hell no. You see, back in the days when jk3 had a huge community full of different and very talented players, poking existed as well. But back then, there were lots of people who didnt poke and these people were very successful in both esl and bwn. Ever heard of the old clan Master? Or maybe youve ever heard of some players called Angelus and Nichos? None of them ever used pokes back then and they still were very very successful players. So, its pretty obvious to me that you wont find any non-pokers in the esls top50 anymore. The reason for this isnt because poking makes your opponent invincible. Nope...the reason is inactivity. Since i dont want to look like some show-off, i wont mention what kind of achievements me and kain were able to make without relying on exploits at all, in the 2on2 ladder a half year ago. I wont mention how far i got before ive left the esl for good or what sort of people ive been able to beat. One thing should be well known though. The JAA was able to emerge victorious against most of the known bwn clans without even thinking about using exploits in the matches. Thing is, if you say you cant be good without exploits, then you wont. Yes its as that simple. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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esl and bwn players only play to win. you only talk of players outside JA. are you really that sure there are no good players in JA? maybe you should hop in and get beat once in a while to wake up lol _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Oct 20 2005 09:06pm. |
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DarthMike - Student 
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Quote: How come? Why do you think that its impossible to be good without poking? Quote: It's not about honor, it's about whether or not your winning with skill or with gayness. I don't do either, and I'm pretty good. I've seen you play, Mike, and well..let me put it like this: Much to learn you still have. i don't doubt that i have much to learn. Only reason i say this is because the REALLY good players like Dureal all use pokes. I understand you can be reasonably good without sploiting, but i'm not interested in being reasonably good. Quote: are you really that experienced to say that? I don't claim to having uber-skillz0rz, I've just watched all the really good players fight and seen what they've done. They do nothing but red pokes or swayed staff. i think i remember how you fight - staff+swaying. i also think that you are a bit impatient (thats what i saw in classes) conclusion : you werent patient enough to try learning the ways of normal honorable sabering. please dont take this as a flame. i just think that to know something you must have some experience. And rookie, you're quite right on the point that everyone uses exploits. If you consider exploits to be something the creators didn't intend for you to be able to do, then its impossible to play JKA without exploiting, since it is so littered with bugs. And no one better tell me that i shouldn't worry so much about winning, that's just the way i am. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy This comment was edited by DarthMike on Oct 20 2005 09:06pm. |
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AvaloN - Student
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excellent post rookie, u just hit the nail on the head m8. Thank you. |
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SaZ - Student 
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rookie u rock  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Rookie - Student |
Depending on the point of view, nearly every 'advanced move' may be considered as exploit. In my opinion, everyone uses exploits, willingly or not. Just not everyone can admit that. It is mostly understandable. Nearly everyone tries his/her best to win. Yes, there are some who will say that they don't wish to win, only to fight awesome duels. However, can you have an outstanding duel while you are not trying your best? I belive that not. So eventually, everyone *tries* to win in most of duels. Going back to the topic - one's opinion about exploits depends on the way he/she views the game. As an occasion to prove their superiority and '1337 s|<1lz'? Those will see exploits as an inseperateable part of the game, another way of defeating your foe. Most probably, they will use them most of the time, since exploits can easily give you the upper hand. We can't blame 'exploiters' for that - they have right to play the game whatever way they wish to play or for whatever reasons they have. They treat a game as a one big competition? Their choice, we can't nor should we interfere. We also have people who are playing 'fair'. Yet, as I stated before, nearly everyone use 'some' exploits. Why 'some'? Couse it depends on the point of one sees sth. While I may treat as an 'exploit' what some ppl call 'aim', it doesn't make a player using it a vicious, 'lusting-for-ownage' jerk. And yet, it isn't rare to see ppl argue like: 'it isn't exploit, but you use exploits, you r n00B!' 'w00t? lol, lamer' 'F u!' 'well, f u too!' -_-' Althought I try not to, I do realise that I may be 'exploiting' in some way myself. I prefer to be 'elusive and elegant', and as you can guess, I don't manage to play this way always >.< At least I can say that I try to. I also try to be tolerant and ignore others using exploits - noones perfect after all. Some ppl may say: 'you cannot be realy good if you dont poke'. Althought it is argueable and maybe I might have been able to prove you that it isn't true, I have no intention to. Because there is some truth in this. Yet, it is of no matter to me. Why? Because I no longer care so much (althought it pleases me greately) about winning duels. As majority of JKA players (or at least I belive so) I play for different reasons. When I began to play JKA, I was like: 'I will learn all tricks and get the highest rank in some clan, I'm gonna be so great!!'. Heh, riiiiight  . One day situation has changed. How? I met some awesome people who had literally changed my life for better. I no longer saw JKA as a competition. It became the 'playground' where I could talk and have fun with my soul mates in teh world. How simple, how sweet. Unbelivable? Now, look at yourselves - do we have anything in common? I belive that we do  Shesh, this was supposed to be post about sploits and it ended about telling night story: 'how Mr.Rookie sees JKA'  I'll better stop now, or I'll soon be talking about politics >.< I wonder how many ppl will read it all anyway |
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AvaloN - Student 
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A sensitive topic, poking is. I like Wicek's view on things tho. |
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Eica - Student 
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Quote: Yes, you are both nubs. If you need to shake your mouse or spin or yaw your yellow, then you arent a good player. Perhaps youd like a lesson. Please, if there's one thing I've learned from being here it's that we don't use the word nub, especially not to describe someone's ingame skill, after all we are here to learn Eica  _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed |
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Bo - Student 
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Quote: Meh. The fact remains that you will never be REALLY good at jka unless you use pokes or sways. If we could just make everyone who plays sign a contract saying they wont poke, that would be great, but sadly it cant happen, and i dont want to suck just because im too worried about "honor". It's not about honor, it's about whether or not your winning with skill or with gayness. I don't do either, and I'm pretty good. I've seen you play, Mike, and well..let me put it like this: Much to learn you still have. _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Meh. The fact remains that you will never be REALLY good at jka unless you use pokes or sways. If we could just make everyone who plays sign a contract saying they wont poke, that would be great, but sadly it cant happen, and i dont want to suck just because im too worried about "honor". are you really that experienced to say that? i think i remember how you fight - staff+swaying. i also think that you are a bit impatient (thats what i saw in classes) conclusion : you werent patient enough to try learning the ways of normal honorable sabering. please dont take this as a flame. i just think that to know something you must have some experience. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: The fact remains that you will never be REALLY good at jka unless you use pokes or sways. How come? Why do you think that its impossible to be good without poking? _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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DarthMike - Student 
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Meh. The fact remains that you will never be REALLY good at jka unless you use pokes or sways. If we could just make everyone who plays sign a contract saying they wont poke, that would be great, but sadly it cant happen, and i dont want to suck just because im too worried about "honor". _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy This comment was edited by DarthMike on Oct 20 2005 09:10am. |
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Bo - Student
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Setementor makes an excellent point. I'd like to add this: I can teach somebody who has never played a jk series game to wiggle side swings and yaw etc. in about half an hour, to the point where they will be able to kill people in a server. Now, does that take skill? or just a willingness to win NOW, not to take time and actually get good? _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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The next part is how I personally see things. It's just my opinion, so as stated in the main post, don't flame it or anything. Anybody can fight how they like. But that doesn't mean I will always respect the way some people do. You can play "fair" and use tactics that just deal a fair amount of damage, or you can play "unfairly" by using a tactic that will pretty much destroy your opponent first hit. You really have two choices: play fairly and have a nice duel that you enjoy lots, or take the easy way out, play unfairly and have a short, boring duel. Some one-hit kills aren't considered exploits. Whether or not they are, using such tactics often in your duels isn't showing much honour to your opponent. Since it is a game, I'd rather have fun, fair duels rather than just having hits that destroy me or tactics that overpower people used. When I go against moves that are made to repeatedly destroy me in say less than 30 seconds, I literally just get bored. Games are intended to give you something to do, not bore you. If there's a tactic you're not sure about, think about it. Would it overpower almost everyone? Is it dishonourable? Is it taking "the easy way out"? Basically, in my opinion, there are people who won't consider others when deciding on their use of tactics. You can either have a blast and maybe even achieve a great skill level, or just do everything you can to be the very best, using high-damaging moves, usually quick-finishes to most duels and pretty much doing everything not considering your fellow opponents. Anyway, that's just how I see things. |
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AvaloN - Student
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ow goodie, seems like a nice challenge Tal  On topic then. I do poke outside the academy, altho im not very good at it. Im actually enjoying it, but I have a lot of respect for guys that fight 'clean' all the way. I just find swaying yellow and poking red too fun and tempting to not use them. And yeah, its kinda noobish. Winning your matches purely on aiming requires the most skill (by far). Altho poking isnt as easy as it looks, it IS the easy way. IMO, everyone should just choose their own path. Also, you can argue about the term 'exploit' itself. Are poking and swaying really 'exploits'? It depends on how one views them. Some say they are exploits, because the game-developers never meant for them to be used. Others say they are just part of the game and the engine, no-one ever added/changed something about the game to make poking/swaying effective. We can all form an opinion about this. To sum things up: to spl0it or not to spl0it, thats the question. |
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Bo - Student 
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HAHA _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Demo it pls. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Bo - Student
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Well, there is an easy way to decide it, you fight me with your "SPLOITZ", and I'll play like I normally play, then the outcome will decide whether or not You and/or your technique is nub. siddy_ous@hotmail.com is my msn. _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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indeed. i respect his opinion. so im not goiong to argue =) _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Wicek - Nugget 
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That's just his opinnion Talion. One see that exploiters are noobs and satan minions, one think that they are ok. And others dont like bananas :/ |
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Bo - Student
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Thers a reason its called an exploit. "reasonably well" in a game thats been around for as long as JKA has = nub. _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: Yes, you are both nubs. If you need to shake your mouse or spin or yaw your yellow, then you arent a good player. Perhaps youd like a lesson. thats just a strange way to look on sploits. i can play resonably well with nonpoke aswell. so that theory goes out the window. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Bo - Student
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Yes, you are both nubs. If you need to shake your mouse or spin or yaw your yellow, then you arent a good player. Perhaps youd like a lesson. _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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SaZ - Student
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i admit that i sometimes use exploits. but only on some weird occasions... for example im on ja+ server and i get really pissed after couple of random blocks, parries and such... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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