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Kaldør - Student  |
The Fun server is a great server. Quite laid back ^^
There are 2 things that I think would make it better, however. They would be: 1) Allow voting (old maps can't be explored  )
2) Use JAE mod instead of base (Fun server with emotes and multiple duels, etc) What does everyone think? |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I'm fairly sure there is.
there you go - solution found. enable the voting. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Sete, the votes to be enabled can be chosen.
And solitude, there are PLENTY of fun maps without NPCs! So whyyyyy? _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Lok - Student 
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ffa1-ffa5, some duel maps and even some sp maps
and ur worrying about ppl abusing the vote system, wich i can understand but i really doubt that the ppl thats playing on ja.net these days even know how to crash the server or would abuse the vote system i rather just change server than ask a JAK+ to change the map,why? well cus its easier and faster  and JAE ftl xP _______________ "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that your is stupid" This comment was edited by Lok on Feb 10 2009 12:42pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: I think the reason why Academy V1 has been on for such a long time is because of the fond memory that some people describe as epic.
Either that, or because the server automatically loads v1 when it starts up.
Quote: Sounds as though you treat this community like children who can't play nice when left alone
I trust a lot of people here, but a single person could alone abuse the voting system and bring down the servers, so it's too risky to enable it with the academy maps loaded on it (and in general if it's possible to vote for SP maps). Quote: And isn't the point of the ranked folk (especially when they're so active on irc etc) to be able to intervene when(if?) things get unreasonable or out of hand?
Correct, but people aren't always around to report them or see them and in that case, we could lose the servers for an indefinite amount of time. I speak from experience of multiple recent incidents. Quote: Current answer to suggestions here seems a lazy one to be honest
A unit doesn't easily make a decision without reasonable logic behind it. Quote: anyway, where's the fun in a fun server if you can't even vote to change the map?
As Laziana said, you can contact an admin on IRC or MSN and ask them to change the map and I'm sure they will be happy to do so. Quote: is it possible to set some kind of thing that checks if server is up and running like every hour and if it isnt then server restarts
I'm fairly sure there is. Quote: basically you are not trusting your own students, because there MIGHT be a possibility that someone will crash server.
If the server's stability wasn't at risk then perhaps it would be easier for us to allow it. Quote: Why not allow only map-voting and only include maps that can't be "abused"?
I am not aware of a way to restrict the voting procedure. Quote: I've only ever seen 3 academy maps, 1 movement map, and the standard maps on JAA. Seems like you could just put a different map on each server and have a bit of variety.
JAA and CTF should use their own maps. The Fun server can vary its maps from time to time. The US Public server could perhaps use a different map. The US Home and Euro Home servers should use the academy maps for training on, however. The classes server needs the academy maps because they are specifically suited to training class content on; however, when they aren't, its map may change as well. Quote: BTW, is JAE the same as JA+????
No; both are entirely different modifications. JAE was made with clans and the academy in mind. Quote: lets not allow voting, but hosting a new server with the JAE mod is a very good idea
That's up to solitude and whether or not he can spare another server ontop of all he's hosting for us already.
Quote: Who says a map with no npcs can't be fun?
That could be a consideration, but there is still the concern that FM noted earlier. In conclusion, there is still little reason why you can't come to a JAK+ and ask for a map change. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Why not allow only map-voting and only include maps that can't be "abused"?
This means not including any maps with NPCs. I'm perfectly happy to justify my reasoning behind things up to a point, but please don;t accuse me of being lazy.  I do have reasons behind my actions. Who says a map with no npcs can't be fun? Would it be even possible to cause more trouble if only mapvote(no votes for kicking, gametype, etc..)was allowed? It would definately be better than the current situation. Unless there's a good reason of course, which I have not yet heard Which maps do people want which don't have NPCs? (The answer is still to just ask on IRC for a mapchange ...) _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge  Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: BTW, is JAE the same as JA+????
JAE isnt as bad as ja+, but since it alters gameplay... lets jus say Base> All _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Xorb - Student 
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Just an observation, bet there are several Academy servers:
Home Class Fun US home CTF JAA I've only ever seen 3 academy maps, 1 movement map, and the standard maps on JAA. Seems like you could just put a different map on each server and have a bit of variety. BTW, is JAE the same as JA+???? _______________ Cleaning out scum and villainy . . . one wretched hive at a time. |
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Komence - Student 
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Quote: Who says a map with no npcs can't be fun? Would it be even possible to cause more trouble if only mapvote(no votes for kicking, gametype, etc..)was allowed?
once voting is allowed, you can't enable votes for only specific commands. it's all or none unless a mod is used. |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Quote: Quote: Why not allow only map-voting and only include maps that can't be "abused"?
This means not including any maps with NPCs. I'm perfectly happy to justify my reasoning behind things up to a point, but please don;t accuse me of being lazy. I do have reasons behind my actions. Who says a map with no npcs can't be fun? Would it be even possible to cause more trouble if only mapvote(no votes for kicking, gametype, etc..)was allowed? It would definately be better than the current situation. Unless there's a good reason of course, which I have not yet heard _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" This comment was edited by ZantuS on Feb 10 2009 05:09am. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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See peeps, we are dealing with these crazy people, everyday
and for the sake of my sanity, I need to say; I have learnt to love them in my own crazy way!
But yeah Crazy found a crazy... Huzzah! _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Quote: gimme rcon. i'll kill sauce.
What this true American said Edited for patriotism This comment was edited by Tallepyon on Feb 10 2009 03:08am. |
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Komence - Student
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gimme rcon. i'll kill sauce. |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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gimme rcon. i'll kill everyone. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: "Voting will not be enabled, the potential for abuse is too high."
Sounds as though you treat this community like children who can't play nice when left alone by those deemed responsible among them - anyway, where's the fun in a fun server if you can't even vote to change the map? Seems like another home server otherwise. And isn't the point of the ranked folk (especially when they're so active on irc etc) to be able to intervene when(if?) things get unreasonable or out of hand? We even have guides of how to report such undesireables somewhere. Current answer to suggestions here seems a lazy one to be honest Quick edit: I know people don't want to spend their time dispute resolving, but I was under the impression people can get along etc, and if they can't, they stand out fast, especially when so few are active ingame these days. My main point is, such limitations on a 'fun server' seems very counterproductive Voting will not be enabled, these are the reasons why: #1 Voting has been enabled in the past - it has been abused before, on more than one occasion. #2 NPC abuse, this has been happening every time we leave the map on one where there are bots. The vast majority of the JA community can be trusted not to break things, however, there are people who cannot be trusted with this. So, what we have is either: a) enable voting. - Pro: Students can handle map changes. - Con: Someone will abuse NPCs and kicking. NPC abuse *will* chew up bandwidth and result in either the server crashing or wasting money. b) do not enable voting - Pro: No potential for abuse. - Con: Students cannot change map as they please. In my view, the less of two evils is to not enable voting. However, a JAK+ is reachable pretty much at any point in the day and they can change the map for you. Quote: Why not allow only map-voting and only include maps that can't be "abused"?
This means not including any maps with NPCs. I'm perfectly happy to justify my reasoning behind things up to a point, but please don;t accuse me of being lazy. I do have reasons behind my actions. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Fullmetal D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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I have to disagree with the crashing sentiment. First off, a base JKA server is very easy to crash even with flood protect on and voting disabled, if someone wanted it down, it would be down.
I was around when the servers had voting enabled, before there were any mods or irc rcon, it was used as a student policing each other method, allowing them to call votes to kick trouble makers. Voting was eventually abused and people were kicked for no reason as well as the map constantly changed. Having the map change every minute can get quite annoying, and it is very easy to trick the JKA voting system. There is no way (that I am aware of) to only allow certain votes without a mod. The issue of using the mod is that it alters the gameplay. The damages as well as the blocking system have been affected. There has been a fair amount of time spent trying to get it to mimic base but effort seemed futile. I'm not sure if they plan on continuing to toy with the idea. _______________ 
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: basically you are not trusting your own students, because there MIGHT be a possibility that someone will crash server.
Trust our students, we do... Especially those who are voicing their opinions out and how they are voicing their opinions out... But trust is still about earning it ? yeah It is nice to see people on the server, playing having fun and teaching people... But those actual deeds are actual deeds... If we were trusting to everybody totally, even those who are applied just... We would have this hierachy system for nothing ? and notice that JA Praxis Trust and Personal Trust are two different things
Think Up Sentence, Do whatever you like: Many people usually takes things way too literally... _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 09 2009 10:25pm. |
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SaZ - Student
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is it possible to set some kind of thing that checks if server is up and running like every hour and if it isnt then server restarts?
anyway this seems like those game protection things developers put in their games. they dont prevent people who know their trade to go around those protections, but people who buy games still have to deal with any problem that might occur because of those protections. in the end those who bought the game - suffer. basically you are not trusting your own students, because there MIGHT be a possibility that someone will crash server. ofcourse server will crash - what do you expect? jk3 servers are stable as shit. no wait - shit is more stable. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Feb 09 2009 10:09pm. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: Kainzoor's point does seem reasonable.
Why else he could duel so fine ? So ofcourse he's reasonable... I wasn't saying, he wasn't... Maybe I did take this wrong way, maybe I didn't... but yeah for now on I don't want there's going to be any misinterpreting of any form... So to be more clear! Kainz00r is awesome! Anywhoo yes Cuthalion, Do you have anything else to suggest for method how we could do it as what you just said ? _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Kainzoor's point does seem reasonable. But then again if voting crashes servers, I guess would be a right pain if people kept crashing them. What I would like to say is, people who are part of the community have decided to join up and by doing that they have impliedly agreed to behave on the servers. Now I know we all know thats not always the case but, if there was a method avaible to vote and change maps it might prove to be worth while _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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eh lets not blow ? - Joker
Kainz00r... You are quite old member of this community, right ? and I have this image in my head... People have allready trying the voting on the servers... and It turned out to be crash of all servers... Please, don't underestimate (or overestimate)Solitude, what does he know and what he doesn't, he's council after all and been trained under by best... So yeah lastly I want to say... People don't worry too much, We have heard your concern EDIT: Rather bring up the points, how/why It would work or how/why It wouldn't work ? EDIT: Think-Up Sentence, Do whatever you want with it: Everybody are naive, when question is about people EDIT: Think-Up Sentence 2#, again do whatever you want with it: Quote: There's always a reason!
- Setementor _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 09 2009 09:18pm. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: "Voting will not be enabled, the potential for abuse is too high."
Sounds as though you treat this community like children who can't play nice when left alone by those deemed responsible among them - anyway, where's the fun in a fun server if you can't even vote to change the map? Seems like another home server otherwise. And isn't the point of the ranked folk (especially when they're so active on irc etc) to be able to intervene when(if?) things get unreasonable or out of hand? We even have guides of how to report such undesireables somewhere. Current answer to suggestions here seems a lazy one to be honest well said. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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"Voting will not be enabled, the potential for abuse is too high."
Sounds as though you treat this community like children who can't play nice when left alone by those deemed responsible among them - anyway, where's the fun in a fun server if you can't even vote to change the map? Seems like another home server otherwise. And isn't the point of the ranked folk (especially when they're so active on irc etc) to be able to intervene when(if?) things get unreasonable or out of hand? We even have guides of how to report such undesireables somewhere. Current answer to suggestions here seems a lazy one to be honest Quick edit: I know people don't want to spend their time dispute resolving, but I was under the impression people can get along etc, and if they can't, they stand out fast, especially when so few are active ingame these days. My main point is, such limitations on a 'fun server' seems very counterproductive _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. This comment was edited by Kainz00r on Feb 09 2009 08:31pm. |
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Z�diac Grimclaw - Ex-Student 
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i dont feel comfortable with this, yet im not the one who knows any abuse methods towards the voting system _______________ Facta non verba. Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis. Timendi causa est nescire... |
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ZantuS - Student
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Why not allow only map-voting and only include maps that can't be "abused"? _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Z�diac Grimclaw - Ex-Student
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lets not allow voting, but hosting a new server with the JAE mod is a very good idea _______________ Facta non verba. Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis. Timendi causa est nescire... |
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