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Kaldør - Student  |
The Fun server is a great server. Quite laid back ^^
There are 2 things that I think would make it better, however. They would be: 1) Allow voting (old maps can't be explored  )
2) Use JAE mod instead of base (Fun server with emotes and multiple duels, etc) What does everyone think? |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: the mod itself was fine. i remember the problem being the server's os or something along those lines...
anyway, no mod can deter a true sith. The problem was caused by the version of the compiler used (and it not being what Raven used). Quote: Basejka and JAE have different saber physics, but people who are not skilled players will barely notice it. Even so, what's wrong with it? My old clan ran JAE 1.01 to 1.02 for 2 years... we loved it actually.
And will it not benefit the saberists to use different damage rates? Most servers don't run basejka; it may get people used to changes. JAE modifies gamyplay significantly. If you alter saber damage rates, parries, collisions etc, you might as well be playing another game. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge  Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Komence - Student 
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i can teach you all the ja+ mechanics you'll ever need in one sentence:
yellow fan repeatedly. profits for jak |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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There are basejka servers, especially rather popular duel ones. It makes sense to cater to the base game rather than one particular modification out of so many others.
If we were going to use a mod because it was used on public servers a lot, then it would make most sense to use JA+ on some of our servers to not only teach about admin mods but also the very popular JA+ mechanics. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Basejka and JAE have different saber physics, but people who are not skilled players will barely notice it. Even so, what's wrong with it? My old clan ran JAE 1.01 to 1.02 for 2 years... we loved it actually.
And will it not benefit the saberists to use different damage rates? Most servers don't run basejka; it may get people used to changes. its not the damage itself, but the randomity of it. also the random blocks and parries. since JAE and JAR i have habit to spam 'LOL'. guess why. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Kaldør - Student 
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Basejka and JAE have different saber physics, but people who are not skilled players will barely notice it. Even so, what's wrong with it? My old clan ran JAE 1.01 to 1.02 for 2 years... we loved it actually.
And will it not benefit the saberists to use different damage rates? Most servers don't run basejka; it may get people used to changes. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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Oh right, didn't realise we had any recent incidents like that, quite surprising to hear tbh
About your question though, I think mostly default maps are fine, but people might also want to change gametype and the like, at least that's the main thing I'd use voting for. Perhaps change it to duel, power duel, ctf, tffa etc, just for something different to ffa with duel challenges. I mean, there's already guns and pickups enabled, and I think you can /callvote enabling of those as well, though the command would have to be listed somewhere, it's some silly digit as I recall Could be some fun custom made maps out there, but it's been so long since I was playing on public ffa servers that I really dunno if there's any good 'new' ones... stuff like the flight school map was cool back in the day _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Xorb - Student 
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Oh, errr, sry, just found his profile in the hall of fame. So I guess there is nothing in this mod that allows admins to limit the number of NPCs or limit client voting to only changing maps? _______________ Cleaning out scum and villainy . . . one wretched hive at a time. |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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the mod itself was fine. i remember the problem being the server's os or something along those lines...
anyway, no mod can deter a true sith. This comment was edited by Sauce on Feb 10 2009 06:19pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Of course we have. It was made by chosen one, a now retired JAC. The gameplay was still affected too much, however, so we eventually switched to basejka. The mod was created for the academy and for clans, as I said - I helped test it. This comment was edited by Setementor on Feb 10 2009 06:07pm. |
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Xorb - Student 
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hmmmm....I found this description on filefront. "For those of you who have never experienced JAE, I shall leave a short description, written by the author: This mod was created initially for the Jedi Academy. The JAE Mod is a server-side only modification designed administrate a server with ease. It is loaded with Admin Commands, Client Commands, Server Options and cVars; Extremely modified to meet any clans and admins expectations. This is truly the only mod you will ever need to get that doesn't alter the normal game play of Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy®." Has this community ever tried this mod? _______________ Cleaning out scum and villainy . . . one wretched hive at a time. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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I have to disagree with the crashing sentiment. First off, a base JKA server is very easy to crash even with flood protect on and voting disabled, if someone wanted it down, it would be down.
This. You can't really stop someone who really wants the server down and understands/is aware of this exploit. The one's who don't are hardly an issue in my opinion, as they would be very easy to spot, both ingame and by checking server logs. Quote: Voting will not be enabled, these are the reasons why:
#1 Voting has been enabled in the past - it has been abused before, on more than one occasion. #2 NPC abuse, this has been happening every time we leave the map on one where there are bots. Past community isn't a direct reflection on the current. Two things - different (active)playerbase, and people can learn from mistakes. Would it really hurt to give the community a second chance with it? You're only con is lack of assurance that responsible thought will be applied to votes used. What's the worst that could happen? Someone proves you right, crashes the server through irresponsible or reckless vote/npc abuse or upsets another student when asked not to. So you restart the server(s)/deal with the undesireable, and stand by your current arguement. Is the cost for something a lot of students (from the looks of things) want to try really that high? With such a low number of active ingame students compared to say ohh, 3 years ago, I don't think you have to perceive them all as a potential threat now - the ones you're concerned about would be weeded out ludicrously fast, but that's just my view. I got a feeling you're jaded on this topic as well, due to past experience when our community was much larger/active ingame, and also because you personally have to attend to server crashes now due to hosting them. Quote: I'm perfectly happy to justify my reasoning behind things up to a point, but please don;t accuse me of being lazy.
 I do have reasons behind my actions. I don't doubt that, I wasn't calling you a lazy person with my comment, just your response to this thread. I can understand your reasoning when you actually share it, though as detailed above I don't fully agree with it on this topic - but hey, your call, not mine, so I'll stop my input here for this one Valid points. Though, my main concern is that we have had problems in recent months with abuse, not events from years ago. What maps do people wish to see anyway? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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ok... point taken 
Still I don't understand why people are, well, worrying still... It is about attitude or because they are bored or because spring is coming or they haven't had fun for long time...etc maybe It is mix of all things... We have clearly expressed that we are here to help... Go directly to somebody and talk with somebody... Because anywhoo It always helps... Setementor and Solitude ? maybe one of best guys who you can discuss with about this... Now I need my day nap!
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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regardless of mod, map, or voting, i will slay jedi with prejudice all the same. though i must say i'm in favor of more emotes. spamming taunt all the time can get old. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight
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Not sure if I misunderstood your english, but I think you missed the points I was trying to get across Maher
Edit: I'll expand a bit more on that. Quote: But yes ? It causes unneeded work ?
A one-off occassion of unneeded work. Servers don't take long to restart to be honest, I've managed them before for a clan in the past - a small cost in my opinion for a benefit that many would appreciate on more than just a one-off occassion. Another small edit here: I'm not suggesting that servers be restarted continually on each offense, but rather just a couple of times, if it's proved people are genuinely malicious/irresponsible with a trend of incidents then I would assume it would go back to vote disabled Quote: Still I'm not totally happy with these arguments because they are still judging the people... As in way, We don't know what we are doing... ?
I'm not judging anyone, quite contrary as I suggest less judging is done in my posts. I never said Solitude doesn't know what he's doing, I'm merely suggesting another perespective on this topic Quote: Well Solitude did... and so on we have this server system... and Solitude knows exactly how It works... If It is no... Then It is no...
My points of discussion aren't concerning how a server functions Quote: Remember also that JA.net isn't democracy...
Did you read the final line of my previous post? _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. This comment was edited by Kainz00r on Feb 10 2009 03:23pm. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: What's the worst that could happen? Someone proves you right, crashes the server through irresponsible or reckless vote/npc abuse or upsets another student when asked not to. So you restart the server(s)/deal with the undesireable, and stand by your current arguement. Is the cost for something a lot of students (from the looks of things) want to try really that high?
But yes ? It causes unneeded work ? Still I'm not totally happy with these arguments because they are still judging the people... As in way, We don't know what we are doing... ? Why nobody does try to put up a server and think rationally about... ? Well Solitude did... and so on we have this server system... and Solitude knows exactly how It works... If It is no... Then It is no... But trust me... You can bring rather more genious and solid points when you aren't thinking it as it is somebody's fault that we can't have this system here ? Remember also that JA.net isn't democracy... _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight
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Quote: I have to disagree with the crashing sentiment. First off, a base JKA server is very easy to crash even with flood protect on and voting disabled, if someone wanted it down, it would be down.
This. You can't really stop someone who really wants the server down and understands/is aware of this exploit. The one's who don't are hardly an issue in my opinion, as they would be very easy to spot, both ingame and by checking server logs. Quote: Voting will not be enabled, these are the reasons why:
#1 Voting has been enabled in the past - it has been abused before, on more than one occasion. #2 NPC abuse, this has been happening every time we leave the map on one where there are bots. Past community isn't a direct reflection on the current. Two things - different (active)playerbase, and people can learn from mistakes. Would it really hurt to give the community a second chance with it? You're only con is lack of assurance that responsible thought will be applied to votes used. What's the worst that could happen? Someone proves you right, crashes the server through irresponsible or reckless vote/npc abuse or upsets another student when asked not to. So you restart the server(s)/deal with the undesireable, and stand by your current arguement. Is the cost for something a lot of students (from the looks of things) want to try really that high? With such a low number of active ingame students compared to say ohh, 3 years ago, I don't think you have to perceive them all as a potential threat now - the ones you're concerned about would be weeded out ludicrously fast, but that's just my view. I got a feeling you're jaded on this topic as well, due to past experience when our community was much larger/active ingame, and also because you personally have to attend to server crashes now due to hosting them. Quote: I'm perfectly happy to justify my reasoning behind things up to a point, but please don;t accuse me of being lazy.
I do have reasons behind my actions. I don't doubt that, I wasn't calling you a lazy person with my comment, just your response to this thread. I can understand your reasoning when you actually share it, though as detailed above I don't fully agree with it on this topic - but hey, your call, not mine, so I'll stop my input here for this one _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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ZantuS - Student 
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I'm sorry Sete, you'll have to ask solitude for that. All I know is that it can be done, I've seen it "in action". _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: and ur worrying about ppl abusing the vote system, wich i can understand but i really doubt that the ppl thats playing on ja.net these days even know how to crash the server or would abuse the vote system
As I said, recent experience would indicate that they can change maps and then abuse them whenever we leave them on. If somebody DOES abuse it, whatever the likelihood, we may lose the servers for an indefinite amount of time. Quote: Sete, the votes to be enabled can be chosen.
How? Quote: there you go - solution found.
No. By abusing the NPCs on a map, people suck up all of the allocated bandwidth for the servers, either forcing them down for a long time (days, weeks, etc) or costing money to pay for more. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I'm fairly sure there is.
there you go - solution found. enable the voting. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Sete, the votes to be enabled can be chosen.
And solitude, there are PLENTY of fun maps without NPCs! So whyyyyy? _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Lok - Student 
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ffa1-ffa5, some duel maps and even some sp maps
and ur worrying about ppl abusing the vote system, wich i can understand but i really doubt that the ppl thats playing on ja.net these days even know how to crash the server or would abuse the vote system i rather just change server than ask a JAK+ to change the map,why? well cus its easier and faster and JAE ftl xP _______________ "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that your is stupid" This comment was edited by Lok on Feb 10 2009 12:42pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Quote: I think the reason why Academy V1 has been on for such a long time is because of the fond memory that some people describe as epic.
Either that, or because the server automatically loads v1 when it starts up.
Quote: Sounds as though you treat this community like children who can't play nice when left alone
I trust a lot of people here, but a single person could alone abuse the voting system and bring down the servers, so it's too risky to enable it with the academy maps loaded on it (and in general if it's possible to vote for SP maps). Quote: And isn't the point of the ranked folk (especially when they're so active on irc etc) to be able to intervene when(if?) things get unreasonable or out of hand?
Correct, but people aren't always around to report them or see them and in that case, we could lose the servers for an indefinite amount of time. I speak from experience of multiple recent incidents. Quote: Current answer to suggestions here seems a lazy one to be honest
A unit doesn't easily make a decision without reasonable logic behind it. Quote: anyway, where's the fun in a fun server if you can't even vote to change the map?
As Laziana said, you can contact an admin on IRC or MSN and ask them to change the map and I'm sure they will be happy to do so. Quote: is it possible to set some kind of thing that checks if server is up and running like every hour and if it isnt then server restarts
I'm fairly sure there is. Quote: basically you are not trusting your own students, because there MIGHT be a possibility that someone will crash server.
If the server's stability wasn't at risk then perhaps it would be easier for us to allow it. Quote: Why not allow only map-voting and only include maps that can't be "abused"?
I am not aware of a way to restrict the voting procedure. Quote: I've only ever seen 3 academy maps, 1 movement map, and the standard maps on JAA. Seems like you could just put a different map on each server and have a bit of variety.
JAA and CTF should use their own maps. The Fun server can vary its maps from time to time. The US Public server could perhaps use a different map. The US Home and Euro Home servers should use the academy maps for training on, however. The classes server needs the academy maps because they are specifically suited to training class content on; however, when they aren't, its map may change as well. Quote: BTW, is JAE the same as JA+????
No; both are entirely different modifications. JAE was made with clans and the academy in mind. Quote: lets not allow voting, but hosting a new server with the JAE mod is a very good idea
That's up to solitude and whether or not he can spare another server ontop of all he's hosting for us already.
Quote: Who says a map with no npcs can't be fun?
That could be a consideration, but there is still the concern that FM noted earlier. In conclusion, there is still little reason why you can't come to a JAK+ and ask for a map change. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: Why not allow only map-voting and only include maps that can't be "abused"?
This means not including any maps with NPCs. I'm perfectly happy to justify my reasoning behind things up to a point, but please don;t accuse me of being lazy. I do have reasons behind my actions. Who says a map with no npcs can't be fun? Would it be even possible to cause more trouble if only mapvote(no votes for kicking, gametype, etc..)was allowed? It would definately be better than the current situation. Unless there's a good reason of course, which I have not yet heard Which maps do people want which don't have NPCs? (The answer is still to just ask on IRC for a mapchange ...) _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: BTW, is JAE the same as JA+????
JAE isnt as bad as ja+, but since it alters gameplay... lets jus say Base> All _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Xorb - Student
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Just an observation, bet there are several Academy servers:
Home Class Fun US home CTF JAA I've only ever seen 3 academy maps, 1 movement map, and the standard maps on JAA. Seems like you could just put a different map on each server and have a bit of variety. BTW, is JAE the same as JA+???? _______________ Cleaning out scum and villainy . . . one wretched hive at a time. |
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