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We want to shake things up a little bit here at thejediacademy.net, and one of the ways we want to achieve this is by broadening our horizons a little bit.
We have two thriving guilds in Star Wars: The Old Republic, but we're fully aware that MMO games aren't for everyone. We're also aware that the Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy community is not what it once was. So, in order to broaden our horizons, we want to find out what everyone is playing these days, as we want to accommodate you guys as best we can and give you what you need to enjoy our fantastic community. Star Wars gaming is obviously our first priority, but there's absolutely no reason why we can't, for example, run events, tournaments, classes or even servers for games that you guys enjoy. So, let's hear it! What are you guys playing? What games would you like to see us support? Reply to this thread and let us know, as well as any other suggestions or ideas you might have. Thanks guys! |
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Wicek - Nugget 
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What Masta meant is that it requires close to no skill in ToR pve to just relax. Does not mean that pve game mode of ToR requires almost no skill in general. This applies to every game. You can turn on SC2 campaign on easy mode and relax there. You can play JKA on JA+ server chatting with people. Sorry for the off-topic. Thread should be closed after first post in it, so Masta wouldn't pour his hidden bias and hate towards ToR! |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Unfortunately you can only teach so much in anything, You have to develop the skills yourself with people's advice, said while your right requires no skill to level or even casually play it does require more skill than its given credit for to succeed in nightmare mode raiding and soon ranked warzones where you can sign up as a full 8man group, you will start to see some impressive pvp videos where it does come down to skill to win and of course tactics.
Comparing Starcraft to any game is foolish really since it requires so much practice and training to even become a average player. I've stop played it consistently but Starcraft 2 I will always watch league matches and finals as its by far the most entertaining rts in esport. To get a game that is so brutally hard to play but so easy to follow its mastiful in itself. Skill my be a small percentage in swtor but it's present if you want it. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Even Maher enjoys calling Maher an idiot! lolololol |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: Using games to unwind is absolutely and totally fine and I have no problem with this whatsoever. I do that now and then too and I think swtor is actually perfect for that because it requires close to no skill in pve. Leveling there with a bunch of people on teamspeak is like a modern equivalent of going to the pub. And that's fine and great, but please don't call people idiots just because they want to improve at whatever game they're playing. I know you probably didn't mean that, but pls2not say.
yeah, the idiotism sentence was more like directed at me personally, because ofcourse people are differently enjoying from games  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Using games to unwind is absolutely and totally fine and I have no problem with this whatsoever. I do that now and then too and I think swtor is actually perfect for that because it requires close to no skill in pve. Leveling there with a bunch of people on teamspeak is like a modern equivalent of going to the pub. And that's fine and great, but please don't call people idiots just because they want to improve at whatever game they're playing. I know you probably didn't mean that, but pls2not say. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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I just hope that people are having fun inside our community with certain amount of learning/teaching aspect.
I actually hate guilds, clans, groups, communities who are forcing people to become l33t players and not give them enough time and space to develop. Then they are telling you, how you should basically play the game, because there are only one way to play that game right way. For me, gaming is just hobby and It would be pure idiotism if I was majorly stressing out myself how good I'm at the some game. 
Believe me, I have enough real life problems to deal with, I'm using games just kind of stress alleviator and not to increase my stress. When I'm reading Hugo's text for example, my breath stops, I start to panic and to think "WE MUST TO DO SOMETHING!, BECAUSE HE SAYS SO!", but then I'm slowly getting back to the zero mind state, where I'm just enjoying my time in JA.net
Because after all I have been playing different kind of games with same people for 7 years now and I know that typing http://www.thejediacademy.net to my browser, It comes with fun gurantee automatically and everytime.
- Maher Senatu _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Mar 22 2012 12:31pm. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Quote: When it comes to having people around who teach, the point was to focus a tiny little bit more on actual sabering skills than any of the other qualities - this is speaking for JKA obviously, because anyone who has read a guide for TOR and managed to grind his way to 50 meets the required qualifications for 'teaching'.
Point taken and agreed. Quote: We should not discard the attitude aspect by any means though.
My point exactly _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! This comment was edited by Laziana on Mar 22 2012 11:29am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Back to the topic at hand, I do not think that it is a good idea to seperate the social and the skill aspect on a layer as high as games.
The fact is, JKA has been the "hanging around" game for almost everyone here at almost every time in the history of the JA. Now that we have TOR, the "hanging around" has just taken on a more extreme form due to the nature of the game.
For example I would not want to see TOR being the "hanging around" game and JK3 will become the "no fun, zomgsrsly 1337 pwnz0r" branch in the community. When it comes to having people around who teach, the point was to focus a tiny little bit more on actual sabering skills than any of the other qualities - this is speaking for JKA obviously, because anyone who has read a guide for TOR and managed to grind his way to 50 meets the required qualifications for 'teaching'. We should not discard the attitude aspect by any means though. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor
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Back to the topic at hand, I do not think that it is a good idea to seperate the social and the skill aspect on a layer as high as games.
For example I would not want to see TOR being the "hanging around" game and JK3 will become the "no fun, zomgsrsly 1337 pwnz0r" branch in the community. As I previously stated, the spirit has to live on and needs to be established in any game we might want to support in the future. From in there, we might branch out to a competitive groups of players which are still connected to the spirit of TJA (as are the Aurochs for TJA in JK3 for example). _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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I tried to just imply that playing games is all about personal preference.
Personally I'm trying to learn SWTOR as how I can play it more effectively and discovering all the aspects of game. I'm having fun and our guilds doubles that fun so I don't mind if somebodies are thinking that the game is easy. By all means, I think that our guild members are allready knowing that we value them highly, so I think It would ask a little bit more to destroy that joy what they are having atm inside our guilds
So yeah, lets get back to the topic peeps! We aren't debating here on how easy or hard some game is, we are here to find new directions for JA.net so we can stay awesome forever! - Maher Senatu P.S We aren't abandoning JKA nor SWTOR, so people have to just deal with it. So please, atleast on this topic; don't be a party poopers of what's allready done, accepted and proceeding. <3 _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Yes, I was referring to group play, both PVP and PVE. Thought that would be obvious, really.
I didn't find an awful lot of skill required for the single player of any of the Jedi Knight games, or even most RTS' either. The teaching is always needed most where other human players are involved. Some of the classes at TJA got creative as well, it wasn't all about teaching saber styles. We hold a class, or event, based around helping members locate and reach the hidden datacron objects in SWTOR for example. Teaching can take many different forms for many different people. I have welcomed into the Academy guild members who have no prior experience with MMOs, some little with gaming in general, and I want those members to be given all the opportunities to learn in a friendly environment that I was given to learn JKJA here. I will not call tell them a trained ape can do it. For me, that just isn't in the spirit of TJA. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Mar 22 2012 01:12am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: *giggles at Masta's comments*
I get that a lot You should marry me, dood <3 
EDIT: No but seriously, I admit that pvp and maxed pve might be a bit different to all that I've mentioned, and this might be where the potential for classes or fun events or whatever might lie (if there is any at all). _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Mar 21 2012 07:53pm. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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ah brew this...
EDIT: I can atleast admit that I'm the trained ape who's clashing those Cymbals together with very specific rhytm. yeah and I'm enjoying it
SWTOR rocks and our guilds are doing awesome job _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Mar 21 2012 08:07pm. |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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*giggles at Masta's comments*
You should marry me, dood <3 _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote:
Quote: Yeah I agree, even pacman might be confusing to some at first. I mean, I would even go so far as to say that failing in swtor before the last levels in pve is actually close to impossible - if you die to some boss or whatever, just grind more until you outlevel the area in question. No thinking necessary, no APM, no strategies, no skill. I think by 'unique' she meant things not immediately apparent to someone who is new to the game, which then allows for things like classes and teaching. This is evidently not true of swtor where everything is so terribly plain until you hit raids.
Whilst it may be plainer than some other games, it is far from as clear cut as you make out. I've met plenty of people who would benefit from classes and other mentoring in regards to the way MMOS and TOR specifically work. The idea that TOR has no room for teaching is far from the truth. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: I think by 'unique' she meant things not immediately apparent to someone who is new to the game, which then allows for things like classes and teaching. This is evidently not true of swtor where everything is so terribly plain until you hit raids.
Whilst it may be plainer than some other games, it is far from as clear cut as you make out. I've met plenty of people who would benefit from classes and other mentoring in regards to the way MMOS and TOR specifically work. The idea that TOR has no room for teaching is far from the truth. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: Jk2 is still so much better than jka No, not even close. But I can see why a lot of the people here seem to think that - jk2's yellow stance is relatively more powerful compared to the other stances :p _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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Jk2 is still so much better than jka _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: In regards to the Archives, I'd love to see a large section dedicated to guides, tips, and information on JKA and SWTOR.
We should have one of these sections for each game, but especially JKA and TOR. Quote: Dash mentioned scheduling weekly sessions to get people on the JKA server
I agree with this, it's probably one of the best options left. I'd also suggest a public duel server. This comment was edited by Setementor on Mar 21 2012 03:43pm. |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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In regards to the Archives, I'd love to see a large section dedicated to guides, tips, and information on JKA and SWTOR. For JKA it would be things like information on the mechanics of the different weapons, saber techniques, map specific ctf/tffa strategies, etcetera. For SWTOR it could be class specific tips and tricks, datacron locations, quest guides, etcetera.
Dash mentioned scheduling weekly sessions to get people on the JKA server - let's do it. We'll figure it out over the next few days and get a session going, perhaps mixing it up with some CTF and TFFA as well as the usual dueling stuff we do. We actually had a brief spike in activity back in November, but it seemed to die down again as soon as the SWTOR weekend beta began. 
Btw, I just wanted to make one thing very clear - JKA and SWTOR are our "main" games. Anything else we support will be considered secondary. We will never give up on JKA. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I like the knowledge preservation idea - besides gameplay related things we could also expand on the history of the JA and it's individual members. In fact, I'd love to see people become engaged in writing about those things on the archives! _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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It's good to see steps are being taken to work on the future of the JA. I've given it some thought and came up with the following suggestions:
Focus On SW:TOR Although we could support multiple games, I think we should focus on SW:TOR and make it our 'Main Game'. This is because I'm afraid we'll otherwise split up in small groups and just dissolve. So yeah, I'd focus on games as follows: SW:TOR: 75%; JK:JA: 20%; Other: 5%. With that said, I'd like to go into the 20% continued support of JK:JA with the rest of this post. Activity Don't worry, this isn't yet another idea to boost activity . What I'm concerned with is catering for the few active people we have left.
I've seen comments of people wanting to play, but they don't because they don't know when the server won't be empty. How about a permanent thread where people could arrange appointments? It can be as simple as posting 'Hey, I'd like to play JK:JA tomorrow night, anyone coming?'. The 'Knowledge Preservation Project' I recognize that the amount of active players has decreased significantly. Not just students, but JAK+ have also decreased in numbers the last few years. We have lost valuable knowledge with their departure, so how about we try to preserve as much as we can? I'm thinking about setting up a project aiming to preserve exactly that. I'd use tutorials and training demo's for this purpose. I think writing tutorials is the best option at first, because they can be produced so much faster. They can be put into The Archives upon completion. I'm thinking about tutorials that cover as many aspects of the game as possible: blue, yellow, red, hybrid, staff, duals, force, movement, gunning, ctf... the works. I also think someone should be made responsible to oversee this. If only to ensure it gets off the ground, really. Anyways, those are my thoughts. _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Mar 21 2012 12:17pm. |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Thanks Masta, that's exactly what I meant. One of these days, I'm going to get a PR/spokesperson for myself, to be able to fully express what I mean. <3 _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: RTS, the oldest form of gaming?
I think by 'unique' she meant things not immediately apparent to someone who is new to the game, which then allows for things like classes and teaching. This is evidently not true of swtor where everything is so terribly plain until you hit raids.
Is the gameplay really that unique? Dune, Age Of Empires, Starwars, Warcraft... etc When talking about unique RTS, dune genre > sc2 genre... However I'm going to get SC2 at some point. I'm really excited about how large and active the playerbase is As for uniqueness in and of it's own, starcraft brood war has the most unique gameplay of any RTS in existence - this is because it exists as the most successful and most enduring esport in history. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Komence - Student 
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yeah play jka mayne. i'd hop on the server sometime if people got on. of course that's the attitude that leads to inactivity but w/e ^__________^
but i'm american so bad hours etc. but i would play with you ballers |
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