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We want to shake things up a little bit here at thejediacademy.net, and one of the ways we want to achieve this is by broadening our horizons a little bit.
We have two thriving guilds in Star Wars: The Old Republic, but we're fully aware that MMO games aren't for everyone. We're also aware that the Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy community is not what it once was. So, in order to broaden our horizons, we want to find out what everyone is playing these days, as we want to accommodate you guys as best we can and give you what you need to enjoy our fantastic community. Star Wars gaming is obviously our first priority, but there's absolutely no reason why we can't, for example, run events, tournaments, classes or even servers for games that you guys enjoy. So, let's hear it! What are you guys playing? What games would you like to see us support? Reply to this thread and let us know, as well as any other suggestions or ideas you might have. Thanks guys! |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Compared to JKA, SWTOR is like poor neighbour. I love TJA and all, but if SWTOR becomes focus, I know it will make me really, really sad.
Frankly, SWTOR lacks the depth and it's not bias from my side, I've played the game and minus two lvls, I reached the highest lvl possible, in under a month of playing. It's just, the game offers no stimuli for me to actually WANT to play. Story was decent, but Mass Effect 3 story blows it out of the window at least three times. For those, argumenting with social side of the game - I can be social in JKA and say, in SC2 equally the same, enjoy it and even have the fun with PLAYING the actual game, without need to pay monthly fee. I honestly question the new direction of TJA, seeing that as it seems, SWTOR would be its main focus. In JKA, many people were driven to improve in the game, to be good at it, as the game, despite how simple it looked, has far more depth than SWTOR will ever have. I'm going to miss that. _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: I honestly believe that no matter how mindblowingly awesome of a structure we create, it will not on its own attract any newcomers (i.e. players who haven't played jka before) and this is because jka in general has barely any newcomers. However, with swtor we have now an excellent opportunity to tap into the player base of a different, vastly popular and populated game and try to spread the word there. And that is something I was hoping would happen right from the start, but I underestimated the difficulty of doing that. Since swtor is not going to go anywhere anytime soon (within the next year before it dies out like it should), there's no rush to focus on getting the guildies to play jka, but I do believe that if there's a key to getting new people into jka, then this is it.
With that in mind, a few good and interesting events that most of the swtor jka players will participate in should provide a good incentive for the swtor guildies to join in - in fact, sack a previously scheduled event and tell everyone who wanted to come that jka intervened and that they should check it out with you! Combine that with two to three regular classes that the guildies can visit and oh snaps you free them from the shackles of grindy brainrot and introduce them into poke-paradise. Do it. Ok I'll bite. It helps to have that mindblowingly excellent structure, or at least set aside one day a week, so that once the new members join in TOR there is instantly something to direct them too. If even half the active members who are saying they are interested in getting JKA off the ground again get on the server for half an hour on that one day a week it'll help with that. I agree that SWTOR is one of the keys to bringing forth a more active JKJA side of the Academy, have said so from the start. Whether you like MMOs or not it was important to see the potential it had for bringing in new members. As such indeed we have been pushing our community roots and JKA from the start, and yes it has been difficult because this site and a lot of the structure here needs the revamp we are discussing at the moment to attract newcomers. "(within the next year before it dies out like it should)" Couldn't resist? This place isn't always very welcoming to new TOR members right now. "sack a previously scheduled event and tell everyone who wanted to come that jka intervened and that they should check it out with you!" No? Our guild events -are- classes and will be given equal priority. What I do agree with and will do, (and have been working towards anyway) is seperate JKJA events advertised through the guild, both in-game and on the Enjin website, so long as it is in use. This would be bolstered significantly by combining it with the previously mentioned pre-established server day where as many active JAK+ as possible attend and organise whatever they want. "oh snaps you free them from the shackles of grindy brainrot and introduce them into poke-paradise. Do it." Free yourself from your bias Masta and come join us, we are all just gamers and Star Wars fans here.  _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Quote: EDIT2: Unfortunately I cannot hold jediism in high esteem, but if it makes people be good and nice to each other, then that's good enough. I agree, it was actually the latter part of your statement I was going at anyway when we talk about jedi philosophy. _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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I honestly believe that no matter how mindblowingly awesome of a structure we create, it will not on its own attract any newcomers (i.e. players who haven't played jka before) and this is because jka in general has barely any newcomers. However, with swtor we have now an excellent opportunity to tap into the player base of a different, vastly popular and populated game and try to spread the word there. And that is something I was hoping would happen right from the start, but I underestimated the difficulty of doing that. Since swtor is not going to go anywhere anytime soon (within the next year before it dies out like it should), there's no rush to focus on getting the guildies to play jka, but I do believe that if there's a key to getting new people into jka, then this is it.
With that in mind, a few good and interesting events that most of the swtor jka players will participate in should provide a good incentive for the swtor guildies to join in - in fact, sack a previously scheduled event and tell everyone who wanted to come that jka intervened and that they should check it out with you! Combine that with two to three regular classes that the guildies can visit and oh snaps you free them from the shackles of grindy brainrot and introduce them into poke-paradise. Do it. EDIT: Quote: Btw, what's wrong with having SWTOR, SC2 and JKA to focus on? Numbers. Not going to do anything sc2 related until we get people who are interested in the game and do not already idle in the aurochs channel.
EDIT2: Unfortunately I cannot hold jediism in high esteem, but if it makes people be good and nice to each other, then that's good enough. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Mar 23 2012 10:07am. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Because people might think we all have a 'jedi philosophy' approach on all games that are being played.  
And what is wrong with that, per se? Same question? To me, Jedi Philosophy means fused entity of western and eastern philosophy  and It is great. _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: Because people might think we all have a 'jedi philosophy' approach on all games that are being played.
Why is that a bad thing?
Edit: lol Laz. I agree that whatever is done JKJA wise, it needs to encourage people to log on at least once a week. If regular scheduled server days don't work (ala this Sunday) and new classes and tourneys is not enough, perhaps some sort of larger community goal to galvanize people would help (like the MBU, which seemed to work). Regardless it would help to have a core group of even just 3 people logging on fairly regularly to have a chance of taking off. And maybe stuff like this has been attempted before. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Mar 23 2012 09:23am. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor
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Quote: Because people might think we all have a 'jedi philosophy' approach on all games that are being played.
And what is wrong with that, per se? _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: Even Maher enjoys calling Maher an idiot! lolololol
Otherwise my life wouldn't make sense, lolololol!! _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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This is pretty much what I meant as well, but really it does take some skill (or experience, or whatever) to relax within group play. Which is one thing I think we can help people with. I've just seen a fair few of the 'monkey' comments dotted around and find them quite inaccurate and potentially off-putting to some of our new community members from TOR. Other than that I agree with most everything posted in this thread and think it's providing some good discussion so yeah let's get back on topic. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Wicek - Nugget 
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What Masta meant is that it requires close to no skill in ToR pve to just relax. Does not mean that pve game mode of ToR requires almost no skill in general. This applies to every game. You can turn on SC2 campaign on easy mode and relax there. You can play JKA on JA+ server chatting with people. Sorry for the off-topic. Thread should be closed after first post in it, so Masta wouldn't pour his hidden bias and hate towards ToR! |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Unfortunately you can only teach so much in anything, You have to develop the skills yourself with people's advice, said while your right requires no skill to level or even casually play it does require more skill than its given credit for to succeed in nightmare mode raiding and soon ranked warzones where you can sign up as a full 8man group, you will start to see some impressive pvp videos where it does come down to skill to win and of course tactics.
Comparing Starcraft to any game is foolish really since it requires so much practice and training to even become a average player. I've stop played it consistently but Starcraft 2 I will always watch league matches and finals as its by far the most entertaining rts in esport. To get a game that is so brutally hard to play but so easy to follow its mastiful in itself. Skill my be a small percentage in swtor but it's present if you want it. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Even Maher enjoys calling Maher an idiot! lolololol |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: Using games to unwind is absolutely and totally fine and I have no problem with this whatsoever. I do that now and then too and I think swtor is actually perfect for that because it requires close to no skill in pve. Leveling there with a bunch of people on teamspeak is like a modern equivalent of going to the pub. And that's fine and great, but please don't call people idiots just because they want to improve at whatever game they're playing. I know you probably didn't mean that, but pls2not say.
yeah, the idiotism sentence was more like directed at me personally, because ofcourse people are differently enjoying from games _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Using games to unwind is absolutely and totally fine and I have no problem with this whatsoever. I do that now and then too and I think swtor is actually perfect for that because it requires close to no skill in pve. Leveling there with a bunch of people on teamspeak is like a modern equivalent of going to the pub. And that's fine and great, but please don't call people idiots just because they want to improve at whatever game they're playing. I know you probably didn't mean that, but pls2not say. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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I just hope that people are having fun inside our community with certain amount of learning/teaching aspect.
I actually hate guilds, clans, groups, communities who are forcing people to become l33t players and not give them enough time and space to develop. Then they are telling you, how you should basically play the game, because there are only one way to play that game right way. For me, gaming is just hobby and It would be pure idiotism if I was majorly stressing out myself how good I'm at the some game.
Believe me, I have enough real life problems to deal with, I'm using games just kind of stress alleviator and not to increase my stress. When I'm reading Hugo's text for example, my breath stops, I start to panic and to think "WE MUST TO DO SOMETHING!, BECAUSE HE SAYS SO!", but then I'm slowly getting back to the zero mind state, where I'm just enjoying my time in JA.net
Because after all I have been playing different kind of games with same people for 7 years now and I know that typing http://www.thejediacademy.net to my browser, It comes with fun gurantee automatically and everytime.
- Maher Senatu _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Mar 22 2012 12:31pm. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Quote: When it comes to having people around who teach, the point was to focus a tiny little bit more on actual sabering skills than any of the other qualities - this is speaking for JKA obviously, because anyone who has read a guide for TOR and managed to grind his way to 50 meets the required qualifications for 'teaching'.
Point taken and agreed. Quote: We should not discard the attitude aspect by any means though.
My point exactly _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! This comment was edited by Laziana on Mar 22 2012 11:29am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Back to the topic at hand, I do not think that it is a good idea to seperate the social and the skill aspect on a layer as high as games.
The fact is, JKA has been the "hanging around" game for almost everyone here at almost every time in the history of the JA. Now that we have TOR, the "hanging around" has just taken on a more extreme form due to the nature of the game.
For example I would not want to see TOR being the "hanging around" game and JK3 will become the "no fun, zomgsrsly 1337 pwnz0r" branch in the community. When it comes to having people around who teach, the point was to focus a tiny little bit more on actual sabering skills than any of the other qualities - this is speaking for JKA obviously, because anyone who has read a guide for TOR and managed to grind his way to 50 meets the required qualifications for 'teaching'. We should not discard the attitude aspect by any means though. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor
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Back to the topic at hand, I do not think that it is a good idea to seperate the social and the skill aspect on a layer as high as games.
For example I would not want to see TOR being the "hanging around" game and JK3 will become the "no fun, zomgsrsly 1337 pwnz0r" branch in the community. As I previously stated, the spirit has to live on and needs to be established in any game we might want to support in the future. From in there, we might branch out to a competitive groups of players which are still connected to the spirit of TJA (as are the Aurochs for TJA in JK3 for example). _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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I tried to just imply that playing games is all about personal preference.
Personally I'm trying to learn SWTOR as how I can play it more effectively and discovering all the aspects of game. I'm having fun and our guilds doubles that fun so I don't mind if somebodies are thinking that the game is easy. By all means, I think that our guild members are allready knowing that we value them highly, so I think It would ask a little bit more to destroy that joy what they are having atm inside our guilds
So yeah, lets get back to the topic peeps! We aren't debating here on how easy or hard some game is, we are here to find new directions for JA.net so we can stay awesome forever! - Maher Senatu P.S We aren't abandoning JKA nor SWTOR, so people have to just deal with it. So please, atleast on this topic; don't be a party poopers of what's allready done, accepted and proceeding. <3 _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Yes, I was referring to group play, both PVP and PVE. Thought that would be obvious, really.
I didn't find an awful lot of skill required for the single player of any of the Jedi Knight games, or even most RTS' either. The teaching is always needed most where other human players are involved. Some of the classes at TJA got creative as well, it wasn't all about teaching saber styles. We hold a class, or event, based around helping members locate and reach the hidden datacron objects in SWTOR for example. Teaching can take many different forms for many different people. I have welcomed into the Academy guild members who have no prior experience with MMOs, some little with gaming in general, and I want those members to be given all the opportunities to learn in a friendly environment that I was given to learn JKJA here. I will not call tell them a trained ape can do it. For me, that just isn't in the spirit of TJA. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Mar 22 2012 01:12am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: *giggles at Masta's comments*
I get that a lot You should marry me, dood <3 
EDIT: No but seriously, I admit that pvp and maxed pve might be a bit different to all that I've mentioned, and this might be where the potential for classes or fun events or whatever might lie (if there is any at all). _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Mar 21 2012 07:53pm. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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ah brew this...
EDIT: I can atleast admit that I'm the trained ape who's clashing those Cymbals together with very specific rhytm. yeah and I'm enjoying it
SWTOR rocks and our guilds are doing awesome job _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Mar 21 2012 08:07pm. |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student
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*giggles at Masta's comments*
You should marry me, dood <3 _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: Yeah I agree, even pacman might be confusing to some at first. I mean, I would even go so far as to say that failing in swtor before the last levels in pve is actually close to impossible - if you die to some boss or whatever, just grind more until you outlevel the area in question. No thinking necessary, no APM, no strategies, no skill. I think by 'unique' she meant things not immediately apparent to someone who is new to the game, which then allows for things like classes and teaching. This is evidently not true of swtor where everything is so terribly plain until you hit raids.
Whilst it may be plainer than some other games, it is far from as clear cut as you make out. I've met plenty of people who would benefit from classes and other mentoring in regards to the way MMOS and TOR specifically work. The idea that TOR has no room for teaching is far from the truth. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: I think by 'unique' she meant things not immediately apparent to someone who is new to the game, which then allows for things like classes and teaching. This is evidently not true of swtor where everything is so terribly plain until you hit raids.
Whilst it may be plainer than some other games, it is far from as clear cut as you make out. I've met plenty of people who would benefit from classes and other mentoring in regards to the way MMOS and TOR specifically work. The idea that TOR has no room for teaching is far from the truth. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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