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MINDofSIN - Student  |
Explain how this works, why we do it, how you *don't* go about trying to get a Master. Expectations of Masters and Padawans, etc. It's for the Holocron. Input from Masters and Padawans turned JAK's/JAT's highly appreciated. Thanks.  _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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MoS - You can do it if you WANT, but I wasn't implying that you should. Just making a point that that info is what I was looking for in that particular part of the Holocron.  -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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Let's see. I started off finding a master by asking people with cool tags. I soon found out the magic tag letters were K, T, and C. So I asked people with those letters. Eventually I joined up with Dicemaster and learned all kinds of fun stuff. I won a "contest" to become a Yun padawan and learned all about ff-dueling. I'm still not too great but hey...thats OT. Yun retired, and so I went solo. Courtesy of other students and teachers, I learned even more than I did with the masters. As of right now, I have two padawans, and I am willing to take more, but it's more important to just teach what you have to offer. That way everyone can benefit, not just those on Silk's-All-Star-Paddy-Team.  Bottom line; masters are helpful for certain things, but can also be a drawback if you let it become one. Dont fret about it if you don't have one. If you do have one...don't do anything that would make your master look bad. Wow, that could be my longest post ever. Hope it's worth reading. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Daidalus[JAP] Fisto - Student ![Daidalus[JAP] Fisto](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=49&f_height=70&f_image=3482.jpg){kind=small}
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Hi :-) Im the Padawan of Kueller. I fought with him about 10 ties before i asked him to be his padawan. And up to now its going very well, he is a good trainer and i like his style. And its not only the thing i can learn very much, we are always in very freandly atmosphere. once i saw someone trainig two padawans like military drill. i couldnt learn with that but if the padawans like it, its ok. so there are very much different kindes of master and padawan, you cant run around and ask someone to be his master. you have to know him and fight with him. and if youre going fine with him, you shoud ask. Greetz, Daidalus _______________ Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote: fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Yes. I agree. ...am I supposed to be doing that?  LOL _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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MoS- I think some of Auron's comments could also get put under the Holocron subsection, Unwritten Rules. Basically, "Don't go around crying for a Master: the more you push, the less likely you will be accepted as a Padawan." Kinda like courting women. Ya push to hard...ya might as well forget it. Stick a fork in me. I'm done. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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i aint gonna read all that stuff now, but my 0.02$ is that ur master should be a friend as well, whatever that means. Though I was rather surprised when my Master chose me, we discovered we have many things in common - not only the game. We talk about lots of things, and, we have the same general attitude. I couldn't imagine having a Master who is way different. IT would all come down to the game then, which it shouldn't. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Auron - Ex-Student 
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Everything said so far is right, especially DB.... His post was really good. Flash, also was right (Partly because he chose SS as a master ) in the way of saying you have to know your master before you pick them. In my case, I didnt know SS TOO well when I asked him to be my master. I was hoping for a 'Yes', but I got a 'We will see'. Although a little dismayed, I'm now happy that I didnt get the response I wanted; it allowed us more time to see if we were compatible. A master and student's attitudes cant be too far apart, because then it would be hard for them to even talk, yet alone train. The 'relationship' building happens further along, if not right away. As far as picking one of your friends for a master, It's a good tactic, but not the best, then they won't really work you... I remember one time when SS made Smiley and I do a 10 minute WARM-UP drill... Then had us in like a 45 minute kick fight (We both accepted into a duel, so no kick damage) and then he released us. MAN was Auron tired after that... There needs to be a little sense of formality between student and master, it shouldn't be 'buddy-buddy' ALL the time. A small deciding factor is what you want to do... Say, for example, you want to be the best yellow saberist in the JA. Well, Luke happens to be known for his yellow skills, so people with that desire will most likely seek him out. SS has taught me the 'Cool Factor', it's a hidden force power. No, not really, I was lying. Anyways, I think that far too many students are running around frantically saying "I need a master!". I was sitting in Home about a week ago, and <name changed to protect the not-so-completely-innocent> asked every single person in the server knight and above if they wanted to be his master. It made me pretty mad that he would grovel with one candidate, and, after their polite refusal, he would begin sucking up to the next person and asking... I wanted to go over there and kick the... Well, yeah. It shouldn't be done. Well, I think I'm done rambling now, and I've gotten way off topic. -  _______________ -Auron I've got l337 rock-paper-scissor skills, boi! Ok,ok.. Who wants to touch me? |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Thanx, MoS. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Flash - Student 
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Let's see.....reasons I "chose" the master I did. Well, I had known my master (SS) for a while before I asked him if he would take me on as his padawan. We had gotten along well, and had become friends. I would rather be a padawan to someone I am friends with than someone I am not. I was also friends with the padawans he already had, so I knew we would get along and could train together. Both of us were in the same timezone, so we could see each other often. Whenever I dueled SS, I always ended up getting owned. While getting owned, I saw how good of a fighter SS was, and I realized how much I could learn from him. Also, he is awesome with guns, a skill I am, sadly, lacking. In a Master/Padawan relationship, both of the two people must trust each other. The Padawan must trust his Master to train him and teach him what he needs to know. The Master must be willing to teach, and the Padawan must be willing to learn. Before, I thought that it was just the Master had to be willing to teach, but I realized that the Padawan had to want to be taught for it to work when I was teaching a new player combos. He came up to me on the server and asked me to show him how to do combos. I started with red, and explained to him that the red attacks had to be right next to each other for them to link together. He seemed to be listening, but when I told him a combo and showed him how to do it, he ignored me. I told him to listen to me, and he turned and faced me. I showed him the combo again, and he ignored me AGAIN. I was patient, so I tried to get him to listen several more times. But, I stopped trying after he walked away and started dueling someone. A few minutes later he was yelling: "Flash, where are you? You have to teach me combos!" I told him that I had tried to teach him combos but he just ignored me. He said he wouldn't ignore me anymore so I went back to him and tried one more time. Like the times before, he didn't listen and just started jumping around the room. Rather than have him waste my time anymore, I gave up on teaching him because he wasn't listening. What surprised me was that he asked for me to come back AGAIN and try to teach him combos. I told him that he was not willing to learn, and ignored his pleas for help with combos the rest of the time I was on the server. So, like I said, that story shows you that not only does the Master have to be willing to teach, but the student has to want to be taught. This comment was edited by Flash on Jun 13 2003 11:33am. |
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(SKX) Dark Blade - Student 
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I usually do this Padawan and Master thing totally different than anyone else. As some of you know, I am trying to adopt a system where it is more of a class of select people who I teach EVERYTHING I know. In some classes I hold back knowledge to a certain extent such as ctf so they will come back to learn more (ctf class have low attendence so I need to keep them coming). Also I try to hold the padawans are equals so I say they don't have to call me master and if they do, I call them Mr. (for example Koushka always calls me master so I say Mr. Koushka). Also I let the padawans pick me by replying to a thread about me looking for a padawan. With the help of Niten, Darth Jell-0, and Luke, I came up with questions to ask them( look at the bottom of the page for the questions I asked). If I saw anything that I that questioned, they were eliminated or if their time zone was screwy or other reasons. So we essentially we chose each other. Not only in my padawan classes we do real training such as sabering tactics, we also do fun stuff such as this week we are going to use Chosen's server or Sleepy's to play Saga Mod. This will not only give a break to everyone but promote teamwork. That is why I am looking forward to Jk:Ja because of Siege mode(mega teamwork game). I am pretty lax if people can't make it because Real Life is important so usually each week I get like 5 or 6 padawans to come to the 2 classes I hold on Friday and Saturday. If a person is unable to make practice, wants 1 on 1 to discuss or address a specific issue, or something to that extent, I will hold a 1 on 1 operation to get them caught up. But I leave this up to my padawans. I don't track them down because it is their choice to learn. I tend to make my padawans download a lot of junk (Matrix Dojo, Saga mod, Agent Smith skin). Every week I send out a email usually addressed to them in some weird way (ex. To whom it may concern or To people follow me around too much). Inside of the email contains secret info about practices and events and also downloads and what we will do at each class. At this point, since I can't see what the questions were that I probably haven't answered, I will just continue to jabber. All the padawans I have, I trust. Heck I have even asked them questions about RL that I am having problems with. I will ramble( like I am doing now) and they have to deal with it. They have the choice to block me if but all of them prove to be helpful. I do this because it is fun. Now it is finished. 1. What time zone are you in. I am in -5. Will this inhibit your ability to meet with me? 2. What you would you rate yourself skill wise 1-10? Why? 3. Why do u want to be MY padawan and not anyone elses? Do you want to be someone elses padawan but got stuck with me? 4.Give 3 traits about you that would help me in deciding why I should take you as my padawan? 5.If i didn't pick you as my padawan, name who (give a list) you would pick and why? 6.if someone chat killed you, what would you do?if they kept chat killing you, what would you do then? 7.If someone insulted you, how would you handle them? If someone insulted or bad-mouthed your master, what course of action would you take? 8.If I told you to do something that you felt was wrong or incorrect, how would you handle it? _______________ What is the difference between love and Herpes? Herpes lasts forever. (CDC joke) Padawans: Trad Redav, Darth Jello, Tallepyon, Shang Chi, Dopp, Karlin Duke, AuroN, Koushka, Damon, and Katan Brother to Xanatos This comment was edited by (SKX) Dark Blade on Jun 12 2003 07:19pm. |
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FaDed - Student 
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the relationship, as any relationship at the JA, is one based on respect. but with a master and their padawan, it becomes more than that. the element of trust starts to play a major role in the relationship. the padawan must trust their master to teach them the things that they need to know in order to be the best player they can be. they need to trust that their master actually wants to spend time with them and will take pride in the padawans accomplishments. they trust that their master still has a flare for the game. the master trusts that their padawan will give the same respect to all superiors. the master trusts that their padawan will behave and follow all the rules of the JA, bringing honor and respect to the master's name. they trust their padawan to learn the skills they teach and will practice on their own. the master trusts that their padawan enjoys being the company of the master and takes pride in being their padawan. because the relationship is based both on respect and trust, the master and padawan essentially have a very basic friendship. but because of this, that means that anyone can be a master and anyone can be a padawan. whenever anyone teaches their friend a move or skill, for that moment, one is the master and one is the padawan. |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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Cool, good response Chicka. Keep em coming. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Chicka - Ex-Student 
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Hrm well... that's a very good question. A student shouldn't seek out 'a Master', they should realize that although the master has the final say on who they take as a padawan, the student should also be choosing the master. I urge anyone who reads this never to just run up to every knight and above in the system asking to be a padawan, it won't work. You should be carefully considering who you want to train you, and ask the best possible candidate. And how, you may ask, do you figure out if your potential master is right for you? You spend time on the server talking to them about the game, strategy, random stuff, whatever. Just see if you think you might be compatible. And duel them, duel them lots. What do you think of their style? Do you use red, and they use blue/yellow? And if that's the case, you have to find out if it matters. You may be expected to adapt to their style, but then again you may not. These are the things you must learn. And don't forget the basics, how often do you see this person online? Is there a reason? Maybe your timezones are eight hours apart. That's what it was like with my Master, and to be honest, I got maybe 30 minutes training out of him. I think I've said enough about the choosing a master part, I'll leave the aspects of the relationship to someone else |
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